People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[SouthAussie]

How long are they allowed to hold people in detention when they have not been charged with any crime and they are legally in the US?


"A team of Democratic lawmakers have met two foreign students who are currently in immigration detention in Louisiana as the White House seeks to deport them.

The visit was "to let them know we stand firm with them, in support of free speech"

Sen Markey noted that neither student has been charged with any crime.
Mahmoud Khalil has been at the Louisiana detention centre since 8 March .....
Ms Öztürk, a Turkish citizen, was detained on 25 March .... "

Lawmakers visit Mahmoud Khalil, Rümeysa Öztürk in Louisiana jail

A team of Democratic lawmakers have met with two students who are currently in immigration detention in Louisiana.

www.bbc.com

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Presidents have been revoking visas and deporting people for decades. The reaction was crickets. However, now with a President Trump it’s a so-called Constitutional Crisis. A visa is a privilege. Entering the country unlawfully is illegal. 300,000 migrant children are unaccounted for in the U.S Where are the voices for these children? I don’t hear them anywhere.

Yeah, with due process. Nice try though.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

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Americans will never ever be detained in foreign detention centers, ever. To take that serious, if he said it, is paranoia. However, here are those who will be detained in foreign institutions. Here are presidents who have deported illegal immigrants without injuctions.

A constitutional crisis occurs when branches of government clash, potentially breaching the system of checks and balances.

The current administration continues to use the Supreme Court for direction. The Court has ruled the lower Federal District Courts have no standing. They may have said that the Trump administration must “facilitate” his return. However, the President of El Salvador has said that is not happening. To call all this a “Constitutional Crisis” is a stretch.

Deportations

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Trump is the only President where nationwide injunctions have thwarted his duty to protect the citizens and sovereignty of the United States. It’s not about the law, it’s about the man. So, based on the Supreme Courts ruling his administration can continue with the deportation policies of American law. No law ignored.

God Bless you and your family.

RBBM -- You mean kind of like when the Supreme Court says to bring this guy back and Trump ignores it and says he won the court case? That kind of government clash?

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

There are no 4 year olds on a zoom meeting by themself. That is absurd on its face. This is the problem. There are those who believe every implausible catch phrase regurgitated. The funding you are speaking of was NEVER cut during the mass migration of immigrants during the Biden/Harris migration policy. And where are the lost children who the Biden/Harris admin were responsible for? NGO’s are the organizations you are referring to that funding has been cut by Trump administration and rightly so. They failed these children and may have exploited them for the money. Just my opinion. The amount of waste and fraud was unprecedented. The children were the last on their agenda. I promise you out of those 300,000 plus, 1,000’s have been sexually exploited and it is going on now. Who actually knows the unprecedented numbers.

Do you have any links for what you're asserting or I'm just supposed to take your word for it?

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

It can equally be said that the ones who really should be held both morally and legally responsible are Biden and Obama and any one of those organizations that facilitated the transportation of people into the country by other than legal immigration means, knowing full well that eventually they would have to be removed.

There you go, when all else fails, ignore what you're doing and bring up Biden or Obama. If things get really hairy you can bring up Hunter Biden's LAPTOP.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

what "whataboutism?"
They are people that are being deported. They are not "US prisoners." Their own countries would not take them, they can't stay here. The last administration put them in 5 star hotels, this administration isn't.

If they aren't US prisoners then why are they being sent to a prison/death camp?

 

[sapphire blue]

This is what is being said in Australian news

‘Some of the most prominent legal experts in the United States, including several conservatives, have issued a fresh warning that the Trump administration is blatantly breaking the law.’

‘surveyed seven such experts from across the political spectrum. The verdict was unanimous.’

‘“The consensus is striking, and perhaps surprising, given the ideological diversity of these contributors,” The Free Press wrote’

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/limitless-power-conservative-legal-experts-warn-donald-trump-is-breaking-the-law/news-story/c9f834aebfef0ed21fe1ed9acbd7d4de

 

[GatorFL]

How long are they allowed to hold people in detention when they have not been charged with any crime and they are legally in the US?


"A team of Democratic lawmakers have met two foreign students who are currently in immigration detention in Louisiana as the White House seeks to deport them.

The visit was "to let them know we stand firm with them, in support of free speech"

Sen Markey noted that neither student has been charged with any crime.
Mahmoud Khalil has been at the Louisiana detention centre since 8 March .....
Ms Öztürk, a Turkish citizen, was detained on 25 March .... "

Lawmakers visit Mahmoud Khalil, Rümeysa Öztürk in Louisiana jail

A team of Democratic lawmakers have met with two students who are currently in immigration detention in Louisiana.

www.bbc.com

Many people come to the US legally and overstay their visas. As soon as that happens, they're here illegally. I don't see much difference with this. They came here legally and lost their visas so now they're illegal.

I know somebody who spent 10 months in Krome Detention Center (an ICE facility) for overstaying his visa. So sadly these two will be in detention for a long time.

 

[sapphire blue]

Many people come to the US legally and overstay their visas. As soon as that happens, they're here illegally. I don't see much difference with this. They came here legally and lost their visas so now they're illegal.

I know somebody who spent 10 months in Krome Detention Center (an ICE facility) for overstaying his visa. So sadly these two will be in detention for a long time.

How are these students illegal exactly? They have not been charged with any crime.

I thought the US was all about free speech, it appears that it’s only free speech if you fall into line with the current governments doctrines.

1984 thoughtspeech and thoughtcrime writ loud

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Many people come to the US legally and overstay their visas. As soon as that happens, they're here illegally. I don't see much difference with this. They came here legally and lost their visas so now they're illegal.

I know somebody who spent 10 months in Krome Detention Center (an ICE facility) for overstaying his visa. So sadly these two will be in detention for a long time.

What is your point here? Neither Mahmoud Khalil nor Rümseya Östürk overstayed their visas - the subjects of the article you responded to.

Mr Khalil is a legal permanent resident.
Ms. Östürk was on a student visa. Her visa was revoked without her knowledge, which is when she was arrested by plainclothes police.

 

[Leilei]

There you go, when all else fails, ignore what you're doing and bring up Biden or Obama. If things get really hairy you can bring up Hunter Biden's LAPTOP.

BUT HER EMAILS!!

IMO.

 

[MrsWatson]

BUT HER EMAILS!!

IMO.

But TWO Signal chats about classified information, oh well, no big deal. Perfectly acceptable.

IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

But TWO Signal chats about classified information, oh well, no big deal. Perfectly acceptable.

IMO

Rules for thee, but not for me…

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

But TWO Signal chats about classified information, oh well, no big deal. Perfectly acceptable.

IMO

Even though I saw a clip of him crying on Fox News back during Biden's administration, saying how ANY breach of security with classified documents should result in the person being removed from their position.

 

[fred&edna]

What a mess the USA government has created! They gave El Salvador $6 million to look after people deported from the USA for a year, and now El Salvador is going to trade those people for political prisoners? Was that discussed during the recent meeting between Bukele and Trump?

the us is only paying el salvador to house tda terrorist gang members - not innocent people deported - and agreeing to pay for a year - this is because venezuela won't take the tda members back. what bukele does with them is up to him. the mess was created before trump took office, thank goodness he's trying to fix it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-pay-el-salvador-jail-300-alleged-gang-members-ap-reports-2025-03-15/

jmo

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

the us is only paying el salvador to house tda terrorist gang members - not innocent people deported - and agreeing to pay for a year - this is because venezuela won't take the tda members back. what bukele does with them is up to him. the mess was created before trump took office, thank goodness he's trying to fix it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-pay-el-salvador-jail-300-alleged-gang-members-ap-reports-2025-03-15/

jmo

So since Auschwitz was in Poland, Germany should have just said, "Hey, they aren't our death camps, whatever Poland does with them is up to them", right?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

the us is only paying el salvador to house tda terrorist gang members - not innocent people deported - and agreeing to pay for a year - this is because venezuela won't take the tda members back. what bukele does with them is up to him. the mess was created before trump took office, thank goodness he's trying to fix it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-pay-el-salvador-jail-300-alleged-gang-members-ap-reports-2025-03-15/

jmo

-‘The US is only paying El Salvador to house TDA terrorist gang members’
The current deal is 300 people that are allegedly in TDA. 60 minutes found that 179 of those people have no criminal charges against them only about a dozen had violent crimes such as murder or assault.( U.S. sent 238 migrants to Salvadoran mega-prison; documents indicate most have no apparent criminal records) But go ahead and keep trying to make them out to be dangerous criminals.
-‘They agreed to pay for a year because Venezuela won’t take them back’
That’s because Venezuela considers these deportations to be human rights violations.
-‘What Bukele does with them is up to him’
Yes, and what he’s doing with them is abuse.
-‘this mess was created before Trump took office, thank goodness he’s trying to fix it!’
Trump is the mess. He’s not cleaning anything up. He revived a law created to deport French spies so that he can deport without due process. That’s not fixing a mess. It’s weaponizing a 200 year old wartime law to bypass the courts.

Let’s be real, if you think ‘fixing’ immigration means detaining people with no trials, no charges, and no way to defend themselves, you are cheering on a police state.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuela-minister-says-jailed-deportees-us-not-tied-tren-de-aragua-2025-03-21/

“
Venezuela's Interior Minister Diosdado Cabello said on Friday that none of the hundreds of Venezuelans deported by the U.S. to a Salvadoran prison is a member of Venezuela's Tren de Aragua criminal gang, the reason Washington gave for expelling them.
"I believe with absolute responsibility that not a single one appears on the organizational chart of the now-extinct Tren de Aragua organization, not a single one," Cabello said on a podcast, saying he had names of the deportees from U.S. media and his own source.”

 

[Lyanna]

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuela-minister-says-jailed-deportees-us-not-tied-tren-de-aragua-2025-03-21/

“
Venezuela's Interior Minister Diosdado Cabello said on Friday that none of the hundreds of Venezuelans deported by the U.S. to a Salvadoran prison is a member of Venezuela's Tren de Aragua criminal gang, the reason Washington gave for expelling them.
"I believe with absolute responsibility that not a single one appears on the organizational chart of the now-extinct Tren de Aragua organization, not a single one," Cabello said on a podcast, saying he had names of the deportees from U.S. media and his own source.”

So let's be clear..

Not one single Venezualan person illegally sent to El Salvador is in fact a TDA Member.

I'll leave that sink in.

Not.one.of.them.
There is not a word for this administration, that sum up my disgust for them satisfactorily.
Moo

 

[MrsWatson]

So let's be clear..

Not one single Venezualan person illegally sent to El Salvador is in fact a TDA Member.

I'll leave that sink in.

Not.one.of.them.


Moo

So when will these political prisoners be returned to the States for due process?

NO TDA members. NONE.

I would trust El Salvador over that statement vs the idiots in the US who thought an autism awareness puzzle picture tattoo was a gang symbol.

But oh my, it sure did play up to the MAGA base to deport all these brown people.

moo