Phone Calls and Phone Records

[BigCityAccountant]

I can't help. :giggle:

I went looking at her phone records again today... or should I refer to them as "the black hole"? LOL There are a few things that I'm still confused about (mainly calls that AutoTrader employees talk about but I can't see them on her phone records). So I went looking to see if their times were off by an hour or something... they aren't. But I do still have some questions about testimony vs. phone records (will maybe post later).

I don't know how DST in October (fall back) helps any one's timeline if her phone is still on the time before the change. For example.... if a call is showing as 2pm, and her Cell phone clock didn't adjust for DST, then on Monday, the "real" time would have been 1pm.

I've actually had that happen to me, except it would be changing time zones--where my phone doesn't pick up the new time zone. But in this case all of the locations are in the same time zone.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I'm confused by what zellner means about DST. Can someone connect the dots for me?

I'm not sure--working of Missy's photo's right now and trying to give a comparison. That cell phone tower in KZ's picture is the one that is just west of I-43 and 310. Trying to get a comparison using Google maps.

 

[zerbert]

I went looking at her phone records again today... or should I refer to them as "the black hole"?

The first step is admitting you have a problem. Me personally, I can quit anytime I want. Anytime at all. Just watch. Here I go. Now. Now. Nnnnnnnnnnnnnow. Nooooow.

BRB.

 

[zerbert]

and since I'm in this thread.... earlier today I went looking at her calls again and some testimony.

So SA calls AutoTrader at 8:12. Dawn says she calls TH at 9:46am (lasted 33 seconds, her voicemail had an approximate 20 second message before the beep), there is an incoming call at that time. But also 1, at 8:17am, that lasted for 1 minute and 6 seconds. We have no way of knowing if Dawn is right about the 9:46am call because we didn't see any records that verify that, just her word at the trial. But doesn't it seem more logical that she called at 8:17? Why would she wait 90 minutes before calling TH?

SBM

There is some good discussion about this and other stuff on this blog post - http://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2016/03/ken-kratzs-summary-exhibits-for-halbach.html?m=1

I no longer have any other hobbies.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

OK...I think I finally figured it out! Thanks KZ!!!

What she is referring to the DST is....the call at 2:24 pm was actually 1:24 pm...here is why!

That call came to tower 21923. KZ said "she traveled the same route she took to get there".... that means she traveled up 151, which would have been the most direct route from New Hostein.

That would mean that she traveled back down 151, correct IF "she traveled the same route she took to get there".

With that being said tower 21923 is actually 1229123 at the intersection of Route 67 and 151.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

All of the calls are 1 hour ahead, so now the testimony makes sense...

Dawn received SA's call at 8:17am then called TH at 8:46 am--NOT 9:46 am

 

[BigCityAccountant]

We all assume she was home that night, but what if she stayed at a friends??

 

[BigCityAccountant]

SBM

There is some good discussion about this and other stuff on this blog post - http://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2016/03/ken-kratzs-summary-exhibits-for-halbach.html?m=1

I no longer have any other hobbies.

My husband said I need to find a new hobby. Evidently he wants to wear some clean clothes...LOL

 

[missy1974]

All of the calls are 1 hour ahead, so now the testimony makes sense...

Dawn received SA's call at 8:17am then called TH at 8:46 am--NOT 9:46 am

After looking at the calls today and other testimony, I'm not so sure the time was off. Schmitz would have to be off by an hour.... and KZ was implying the time being off would validate the "witnesses" that saw her leave. I'm thinking propane guy and maybe the bus driver.... but the time change wouldn't help that, because the time fell back an hour, not ahead. Unless there is something else I'm missing.

After looking though, I still think that it was probably Dawn that called TH at 8:17, after talking to SA, his records indicate that the call ended at 8:15 with Dawn. It makes more sense that she calls TH right away and leaves a message.... plus the timing on the calls.... it just makes more sense to me. I don't necessarily blame Dawn for it... I mean really, how many calls does she get and make in a day at work? But if she wasn't sure, she should have just said that.... phone records could have verified it all and although she mentions the AutoTrader records to verify the 2:27 call... they were never entered into evidence, so we have to take her word for it... I for one... can't take her word for it, because it's not the only thing she was mistaken about. JMO

zerbert ~ I hear ya about the hobbies LOL and thanks for feeding my addiction grrrrrrrr! LOL My only other hobby at the moment is hockey... so earlier I was watching one game on tv, listening to a local game on the radio, and reading about this case *sigh* Thank goodness I go back to work tomorrow LOL

 

[HastingsChi]

I found this tower up in Kewaunee, WI..it was a close match--but not exact.

Structure Type: LTOWER
Structure Coordinates: 44-26-37.3 N 87-30-36.3 W (NAD 83)
Structure Coordinates: 44-26-37.3 N 87-30-36.0 W (Converted to NAD 27)
Structure Address: 758 Baumeister Drive (wi21211-a)
Structure City: Kewaunee, WI

It is just outside of that 12 mile radius--remember the PM about the FB incident...check him out again.

http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProASRLookup.php?sASR=1224191&tabSearchType=ASR+Search

I've highjacked your thread again to talk about the phone records...:blushing:

FYI that structure wasn't built in 2005:

FAA Issue Date: 07/08/2013

 

[BigCityAccountant]

FYI that structure wasn't built in 2005:

FAA Issue Date: 07/08/2013

Nope, look again at the link I posted it was constructed 4/10/2001.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

After looking at the calls today and other testimony, I'm not so sure the time was off. Schmitz would have to be off by an hour.... and KZ was implying the time being off would validate the "witnesses" that saw her leave. I'm thinking propane guy and maybe the bus driver.... but the time change wouldn't help that, because the time fell back an hour, not ahead. Unless there is something else I'm missing.

After looking though, I still think that it was probably Dawn that called TH at 8:17, after talking to SA, his records indicate that the call ended at 8:15 with Dawn. It makes more sense that she calls TH right away and leaves a message.... plus the timing on the calls.... it just makes more sense to me. I don't necessarily blame Dawn for it... I mean really, how many calls does she get and make in a day at work? But if she wasn't sure, she should have just said that.... phone records could have verified it all and although she mentions the AutoTrader records to verify the 2:27 call... they were never entered into evidence, so we have to take her word for it... I for one... can't take her word for it, because it's not the only thing she was mistaken about. JMO

zerbert ~ I hear ya about the hobbies LOL and thanks for feeding my addiction grrrrrrrr! LOL My only other hobby at the moment is hockey... so earlier I was watching one game on tv, listening to a local game on the radio, and reading about this case *sigh* Thank goodness I go back to work tomorrow LOL

I am--I'm pretty sure. Think about this....if it was 1:12 pm and not 2:12 pm and she was hitting a tower at Route 67 and 151, then 40 minutes later or about 2:00pm (exactly when SA said she got there) she would have arrived.

 

[missy1974]

hmmm so that would mean she did go to Zipperer's after.... which doesn't mean she didn't leave there also.

 

[Hoosen_Fenger]

I am--I'm pretty sure. Think about this....if it was 1:12 pm and not 2:12 pm and she was hitting a tower at Route 67 and 151, then 40 minutes later or about 2:00pm (exactly when SA said she got there) she would have arrived.

Captain My Captain, I am always seeking evidence such as this in all the cases I follow. Thank you for posting it and thanks to Missy1974 too.

It does however, make me feel a little cold inside because it clearly points to TH being tied up and frightened for over an hour before Brendan got home and joined in.

If only the death penalty was applicable for this. Steven Avery is not innocent and I for one would flick the switch.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

hmmm so that would mean she did go to Zipperer's after.... which doesn't mean she didn't leave there also.

BUT--Do we know for sure that she did make it to GZ's? After all we only have their word. What doesn't make sense--is at 2:12 pm she called GZ to say she was lost. Why would she do that if she was no where near their place?

 

[missy1974]

BUT--Do we know for sure that she did make it to GZ's? After all we only have their word. What doesn't make sense--is at 2:12 pm she called GZ to say she was lost. Why would she do that if she was no where near their place?

We do know she was there..... she left the paperwork, which was admitted into evidence. I was looking at your last map that you posted last night.... with the route from Schmitz to Avery's.... she would go right past or near Zipperer's, right? Maybe she did intend on stopping there, had troubles finding it, called (no answer so left a message) and decided she would go to Avery's and then come back since it was on her way back anyway, so not like she was going out of the way, but she was wasting time trying to find it. Or maybe she called and left that message as an "excuse" for being late? Avery's were repeat customers, getting there in a timely manner might have made more sense than to be late because of a telemarketing call that she couldn't find and they might not advertise anyway.

JMO

I can't wait until we see more information about these dang calls LOL

 

[Limaes]

We do know she was there..... she left the paperwork, which was admitted into evidence. I was looking at your last map that you posted last night.... with the route from Schmitz to Avery's.... she would go right past or near Zipperer's, right? Maybe she did intend on stopping there, had troubles finding it, called (no answer so left a message) and decided she would go to Avery's and then come back since it was on her way back anyway, so not like she was going out of the way, but she was wasting time trying to find it. Or maybe she called and left that message as an "excuse" for being late? Avery's were repeat customers, getting there in a timely manner might have made more sense than to be late because of a telemarketing call that she couldn't find and they might not advertise anyway.

JMO

I can't wait until we see more information about these dang calls LOL

To believe that would mean you would have to have total disregard for testimonial evidence stating she finished at Zipperer's and was on her way to Avery's Auto Salvage then never seen or heard from again...until her charred remains were found.

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[missy1974]

To believe that would mean you would have to have total disregard for testimonial evidence stating she finished at Zipperer's and was on her way to Avery's Auto Salvage then never seen or heard from again...until her charred remains were found.

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Can you point me to who's testimony states that she finished at Zipperer's and was on her way to Avery's? Kratz may have said it in his opening and/or closing statements, but that's not testimony, that's his narrative.

Schmitz didn't testify that TH said where she was going.

JZ said TH didn't say anything about where she was or where she was going, and she had a pretty broad timeline for that day too, I think in the end she said TH could have been there any time between noon and 3:30pm (and keep in mind that when LE went and talked to her on Nov 3rd, she didn't even know what day it was currently)

Dawn... if you believe her testimony, didn't say anything about TH being done at Zipperer's.

If when TH talked to Dawn and TH said to her "by the way, it was the Avery brothers", why would TH say that? How would she know that at 2:27 if she hadn't already been there?

 

[HastingsChi]

Nope, look again at the link I posted it was constructed 4/10/2001.

You're absolutely right. I feel like a silly goose considering that date is two lines below.

 

[HastingsChi]

BUT--Do we know for sure that she did make it to GZ's? After all we only have their word. What doesn't make sense--is at 2:12 pm she called GZ to say she was lost. Why would she do that if she was no where near their place?

"Teresa Halbach made business stops on 10/31 including the residence of Steven
Schmitz at approximately 1:30 PM, and George Zipperer at approximately 2:15 PM."

Source: http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Offer-of-Proof.pdfThe offer of proof