GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[thatssoamy]

I see Banfield is still saying Pappa Rodger was the first to talk about the knife sheath when in fact @Tealgrove was the first to mention it 2 weeks before PR did.

 

[snooptroop88]

Okay, finally found the beer pong table in proximity to the firecracker/possible "flashbang." It's Supp 90, I'm typing in the pertinent text. I believe this is not Dylan, but the other surviving roommate noting this, and she does bring Dylan (I believe the "D") into it later:

B told me prior to hearing the firecracker, she thought she heard Murphy bark she also heard what she thought was the beer pong table moving and cups falling. The beer pong table was in the living room which is above B's bedroom. B stated she was not sure what the sequence of events were for sure but she knows she heard Murphy bark, the beer pong table, and then the firecracker first before she called D to see if she heard the same thing

And I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in another supp as well, but that's going to be another seek and find session to find the other mention of the beer pong table moving.

 

[iamshadow21]

I see Banfield is still saying Pappa Rodger was the first to talk about the knife sheath when in fact @Tealgrove was the first to mention it 2 weeks before PR did.

PR likely saw it here or elsewhere copied from here and trotted it out as their own idea. It happens. Early days of the Quinton Simon thread, another member privately messaged me that someone was copy pasting my thread contributions as their own insights on Facebook. Some people just have no problem stealing so long as it gets them attention. And this PR obviously liked the attention.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

My understanding is Maddie's room and window were easily viewed from outside/the street. She had things in her window indicating her name. If he was stalking for awhile, he would know that Kaylee had moved out.

That's true Maddie's room had her big M and pink cowboy boots in the window, but if he was focused (following on socials) Kaylee, he would have known she was home that weekend to show off her new Range Rover and that might be the last weekend she would spending there.

I think he targeted the house with the pretty girls. Xana and Maddie both worked at the MG restaurant.

We'll probably never know for sure. It's horrible however he chose them.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948559221789761972

 

[girlhasnoname]

IDOC inmate #163214 is how I shall henceforth refer to the felon. He doesn't even deserve his initials at this point. JMO

Exactly, I started referring to him as the 'Murderer' after his Plea. His name will get no mention from me.

 

[AngTxGal]

Personally, I think it likely that forensic psychiatrists and behavioral criminalogists who will eventually study him will be more likely to accurately identify the motive.

I suspect that BK did a lot of secret things (openly staring at others to the point of discomfort of the subject of his staring, remarking in a hostile or inconsiderate way to make others uncomfortable, mind games, burglary, stalking) that rewarded him with a personal sense of superiority, domination, and control. And that it was likely a drive to gain those rewards that compelled him to plan for and to brutally murder those four innocent young adults.

For me, I’m not sure I need BK to explain his motive. We all know there are young men out there that simply hate all of the women they believe they deserve to have, but can’t.

Men like this strike me as a small child that doesn’t get their way. They come to your home to play with your child and instead of having skills to share, play together, negotiate, have fun, interact- they choose to take your child’s toys away. And if someone corrects them- they break the toys.

It is predictable, it isn’t novel or genius, or even that deep, it is pathetic but dangerous. And soon it may dawn on him that the consequences of his actions are huge, and he is unable to avoid them.

If there is a lesson here- I think it is in parenting during the past thirty years or so- where young women figured out how to succeed in a ‘man’s world and men aren’t adjusting well.
Moms and Dads who grew up before gender equality was a thing- haven’t caught up.
So many young men are prepare for the 1950’s- and men’s movements are holding them back.
Women do not want to be an accessory to a life focused around their husband and children.
Look at the enrollment and graduation rates at universities. We are enrolling and graduating more women than men- and have been for a decade or more.

More young women than men have college degrees Pew Research
In 1995, young men and women were equally likely to hold a bachelor’s degree (25% each). Since then, there has been a growing gap between men and women in college completion.
Today, 47% of U.S. women ages 25 to 34 have a bachelor’s degree, compared with 37% of men.
The share of young women with a bachelor’s degree has increased by 22 percentage points since 1995, from 25% to 47%. Over the same period, men have seen a smaller increase (12 points, from 25% to 37%).

National Domestic Violence Stats
1/3 of women are victims of violent crimes by an intimate partner

College Crime Stats
Violent crimes against college females has gone up, while the number of men going to and completing college has gone down

Have you read the lyrics to ManChild by Sabrina Carpenter? Cute and funny video, but Brutal!

Many young men are angry- they imagine that they deserved the America dream, and it wasn’t given to them, and they aren’t doing what is required to earn it.
The mask of being dominant, smart, in control, strong, ready- is all fake.
They walk in appearing confident seeing women as less intelligent and capable, and pitch a fit when school and life is hard.
Why don’t men’s movements step up and seek a solution that works for all?
So, women are paying the price of these unprepared entitled men with their safety, their children’s safety, their very lives.

I think we could learn a great deal from BK’s sisters.
We all know guys who grew up the golden boy, can’t do any wrong, are always the victims of an unfair world. And- they do not develop the resilience and work ethic to become their best selves. They blame everyone and everything for their plight in life.
BKs mom likely grew up when women and men had roles. It never dawned on her that her son could have to interact with, work with, sit in college classes with such women, much less have a woman as his professor or boss. In her world that wasn’t possible. So BK arrived into adulthood illprepared. He did not know how to interact with strong intelligent women.
Rather than buck up and work his way through understanding and changing and preparing, he stayed the spoiled child that didn’t get his way so he had to break another kid’s toys.

Completely my own psychoanalysis, as the youngest of four girls, and then we have a little brother. My brother is also ill-prepared for life with women in high places. He lives an angry selfish life at times, and my three sisters and I all agree that we love him, but he can be such the ManChild.

I haven’t a clue what the solution is- but I did not raise my son like my ex husband and brother was raised. My son is a good guy, but he is human, just as his sister is, and he must come to the table to do his part in his relationships if he wants to be happy in life and love. He can cook, do laundry, diaper a child, and does not see any of that as beneath his mind and heart to do so. I hope he is ready to be an equal partner to a strong, intelligent, woman.

Apologies for the length- I type really fast. This topic is regularly on my mind- I work with young people in the sciences- and I have a 23 yr old son and 21 yr old daughter.
IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I was thinking last night, I would be much more interested in reading a book from his family or hearing from them. Signs that were missed. Not that they could have changed anything, I just think it would be interesting to know what he was like at home and growing up. My heart really aches for them.

I have always been extremely interested in hearing about the family dynamics with the Murderer. I feel empathy for the family, but I don't know that they would ever be 100% honest about how he really was growing up. That's not a slam, I just don't think they'll be willing to say anything that casts him in a bad light.

JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

I do not have the document in front of me, but I am curious about the discarded black backpack that was apparently found in the backyard at 1122 King Rd. Nothing tying that to BK? Seems that could have been a great place to store his kill kit. Did he have to leave too quickly to completely cahnge out of his clothes and retrieve it? We do know from one of the released docs that he apparently searched for how to get blood out of a car, if I am not mistaken. JMO

Turns out it was a red herring. There's a document where Chief Fry and others describe scouring all kinds of litter and debris around the house and nearby. Document concludes it was an old bag which had been there a long time. ( No mention of Reese PB cup wrappers - Bayliss found those under the trees outside his home. TBH I guess he was being super careful at this point)

 

[girlhasnoname]

I was wondering if someone could have mailed it to him? Like maybe his mom?

Or he could have done it with his fingernail? But then, how did he have it in jail?

moo.

In a lot of jails/prisons the inmate doesn't receive the original mail/letter. It is opened, checked for contraband and a copy is made. People were sneaking drugs in via mail and cards to inmates so that policy has changed in most places in recent years.

Drugs like anything that comes in a strip form (Suboxone strips, Fentanyl patches), or others crushed into a liquid and soaked in the paper. It's amazing how resourceful they can be in obtaining drugs.

I have a relative that is a prison corrections officer, I'm not speaking from my own experience.

MOO

 

[Dotta]

I have a relative that is a prison corrections officer, I'm not speaking from my own experience.

MOO

No need to explain hehe
We are all partners here...in crime

True crime, that is.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Idaho murders trial live updates: Bryan Kohberger faces victims' families in sentencing hearing

Follow the Idaho student murders sentencing hearing for Bryan Kohberger, who is expected to be sentenced to four life sentences after he admitted to the 2022 killings.

www.nbcnews.com

Throughout Kohberger’s sentencing hearing, a note with a heart on it could be seen on camera sitting next to him on the defense table.

It isn’t clear what the note was. Something was handwritten on the back. Toward the end of the hearing, one of his attorneys picked it up and appeared to ask Kohberger about it.

When Kohberger said something, she smiled and took the note with her.
1d ago / 3:32 PM EDT

Probably something from his Mother I would guess to focus on while hearing the Victim Impact Statements and being ripped to shreds.

JMO

 

[bmacmillan1]

Do you think he was aware that his mother and sister were in the courtroom - he did not seem to look around once to see if he had any supporters...

 

[girlhasnoname]

I’m still catching up on everything from the Sentencing Hearing yesterday so don’t know if this has been posted from 14 hours ago.

Nothing earth shattering but I did not think that BK’s Father was in attendance, only his Mother and sister.

This gentleman describes what it felt like being there and says he was seated right behind the family and both parents were there.

Just something new I’d not heard.

Wow, thanks @Cindizzi for picking up on the fact that his Dad was there. I had heard and read that it was only his Mom and one sister.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Do you think he was aware that his mother and sister were in the courtroom - he did not seem to look around once to see if he had any supporters...

Yes, the vid @Cindizzi attached just above from a guy who was in the Courtroom said the Murderer's Mom, Dad and Sister were there seated right behind him. He told him Mother "I love you" as he came in and told his sister "I'll see you later" as he exited.

jmo

 

[Dotta]

Do you think he was aware that his mother and sister were in the courtroom - he did not seem to look around once to see if he had any supporters...

I'm sure AT told him.

His family came protected by Police.
I saw a picture of them with AT.



AT in the background

Bryan Kohberger's lookalike sister dons red dress to watch sentencing

Amanda Kohberger traveled to Boise, Idaho, to watch Bryan get sentenced for the murders of four young students.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[DizzyB]

If they mean round as in circular like a pipe, round with stripes would be the knife handle as one possibility. Not the norm, but totally possible in various ways.

One would think that if the knife handle was used, the ME would certainly be able to match the wounds and declare it as so. And it sounded like it would have to have been in its sheath during that part of the blitz attack in order to have not cut up the killer-I think the sheath would have to show signs of the attack. Maybe it will be in further documents. The handle stripes sound right, but it seems like that was an easy answer to give then.

 

[AngTxGal]

I'm sure AT told him.

His family came protected by Police.
I saw a picture of them with AT.

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AT in the background

Bryan Kohberger's lookalike sister dons red dress to watch sentencing

Amanda Kohberger traveled to Boise, Idaho, to watch Bryan get sentenced for the murders of four young students.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wow, the look on BK’s sisters face is screaming “get me the f out of here”! Is it not?
Family has a right and obligation to support each other, even if they are killers. I don’t fault them for doing so- I would be there for my son and brother if they did a horrible thing like this.
But- there would be zero illusion that I supported his actions, and I would cry for the victims, and once he was taken back to prison I would have a difficult time purchasing a plane ticket to go see him.
His sisters saw the signs, how could you not?

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

SG told Ashleigh Banfield that the other objection was round with stripes, as it left those marks on Kaylee’s face. He bashed her teeth out. This is what was told to them on Monday.

She’ll have this on her podcast tomorrow per Brian Entin.

Wow, I cannot imagine the force required to break the bones in a person’s face and jaw and teeth- it could not be bare fists or he would have broken his hand.
Someone is going to have to explain why this was necessary- it is like rampage, feeding freenzy, untethered explosive madness… how does someone with that much pent up anger remain stoic like he does?
Disturbing isn’t even close to the right word

IMO

 

[jepop]

I have always been extremely interested in hearing about the family dynamics with the Murderer. I feel empathy for the family, but I don't know that they would ever be 100% honest about how he really was growing up. That's not a slam, I just don't think they'll be willing to say anything that casts him in a bad light.

JMO

I guess they are also going through their own terrible process of trauma and grief. Probably for the reminder of their lives. As with all those whose lives have been changed forever by his actions I hope they are surrounded by the support of trusted others who can help them
reach some level of acceptance and peace in the future.