GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[Megnut]

Xana, after she had eaten the food somewhere other than the kitchen, and before she encountered BK.

MOO

Things we don't know.

What time XK retrieved her DD food. And by what route.

If she was hoping to have it delivered to the slider but it was delivered instead to the front door, did she go down the stairs to the front door or go out and around through the slider?

Could she have been on the couch eating her food and neither hear nor see him enter?

Regardless, she had time to start eating (LE knows what she ordered and knows how much remained) and returned to the kitchen to put her remnants the there. And that is when she encountered the open slider-- perhaps not entirely alarming, thinking maybe someone let Murphy out --

But then she must have heard DM call out to KG as well as the noise from above.

Is there a crime scene photo showing a rogue boot?

I think XK and KG were in sleepwear and barefoot, I think the felon was the only one on the staircase and it's he whom DM heard. Maybe with Murphy who would have had reasons to explore. JITB ... and an intruder...

However, I do think it's possible -- that XK slipped on whatever shoes were available, if she went outside to retrieve her food -- and kicked them off, perhaps when he chased her to her room.

Alongside the backyard footprints he left were smaller ones. Maybe from XP going around to the other door, to get her JITB. But also they could've been from two hours earlier when DM and MM were outside with Murphy.

There's someone here. Who said it and to whom? Scary to think it could have been KG or XK saying it to one to the other, with him somehow hiding in the shadows, mere seconds before the violence started.

There's someone here. Not shocking. DDD had been there, DM had had a friend over (until 1, I think), EC was there, KG was back. Lots of people there, not there, back again. Next on the list is not mass murderer, no one jumps to that.

It could be why/when KG moved from her own bed into MM's.

Timeline update, from GH's video upthread --

2 am, MM, KG, DM, BF and Murphy are in KG's room. Selfies. Calls to the bf. Then KG decided to get ready for bed, presumably her own bed. While BF goes to her own room, and together, MM and DM take Murphy out (when Murphy is briefly lost). When MM goes to bed herself, it seems likely that she was in her bed and KG was in her own.

I think KG moved into MM's bed after Murphy responded to events (whether it was the DD or PhD-Dr. Death's arrival) and was awake when he entered MM's room.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

You've got your times way wrong, there. The driver wasn't there for twenty minutes.

Actually the driver was. Close to it anyway.

Was attempting to find 1122 King but couldn't see the house numbers (was directed to deliver to the slider iirc but ultimately didn't). Eventually got out of her car, with her dog and searched on foot before finally finding the house.

JMO

 

[cujenn81]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1959718979787747530

"Kohberger first searched for the phrases 'wiretap' and 'psychopaths paranoid,'
data from his phone showed.

He then read a news story
about how police in Moscow, Idaho, were searching for a car whose description matched his.

Clearly spooked,
Kohberger's next internet activity saw him visit the Moscow Police Department's website
to see what the latest news on the murders was.

Immediately after that
he looked up an auto detailing shop.

And just 10 minutes later,
Kohberger was shopping for a new car online.

In the early hours of December 30 2022
- just a few hours after making those internet searches -
Kohberger was arrested at his parents home in Pennsylvania."

It’s like he sooo wants to identify as a psychopath but was worried that his paranoia might mean that he’s not. He clearly didn’t pay attention in psych class and needs to get over himself.

Psychopathy does not equal zero feelings. Empathy, remorse, sadness, fear, compassion, happiness, and pain may be nonexistent, but psychopaths have alll the feels — for themselves. Every thing they do is about looking out for number one. And he knows he screwed himself BIG TIME when he left that sheath behind. He had every reason in the world to be paranoid.

 

[Dotta]

Yes, I realize it's not proof, but it does seem likely she brought the food into the kitchen. Plenty of people actually eat in the kitchen.

(Yes, I know some people also eat in their bedrooms.)

But, the bigger point, imo, is it seems she picked up the delivery AFTER Kohberger went upstairs. He was upstairs when she went downstairs to the front door. To me, that is a new way of thinking of the situation.

jmo

I think that:

- when Xana was at the front door to retrieve the food
(ground floor/basement)

- BK was slipping through the slider door in the kitchen - upstairs from her.

- When she came upstairs to the kitchen to eat,
he was already in MM's room.

- Xana ate some fries in the kitchen and went to the microwave oven to probably heat the food.

- She heard strange noises upstairs,
so left half eaten food on the microwave oven and went upstairs.
(photo of the food there)

- She saw BK and started running down the stairs.

- He chased her, leaving the sheath on the bed.

- BK caught Xana near her bedroom,
they fought (defensive wounds),
then attacked EC and returned to wounded sobbing Xana
(crying heard by DM),
then murdered her.

- BK left, passing DM in the doorway.

It all only took several minutes.

This is how I see it.

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

I think that:

- when Xana was at the front door to retrieve the food
(ground floor/basement)

- BK was slipping through the slider door in the kitchen - upstairs from her.

- When she came upstairs to the kitchen to eat,
he was already in MM's room.

- Xana ate some fries in the kitchen and went to the microwave oven to probably heat the food.

- She heard strange noises upstairs,
so left half eaten food on the microwave oven and went upstairs.
(photo of the food there)

- She saw BK and started running down the stairs.

- He chased her, leaving the sheath on the bed.

- BK caught Xana near her bedroom,
they fought (defensive wounds),
then attacked EC and returned to wounded sobbing Xana
(crying heard by DM),
then murdered her.

- BK left, passing DM in the doorway.

It all only took several minutes.

This is how I see it.

JMO

Yes, that is how I am now seeing it too. And it's even creepier than I thought it was before.

jmopinion

 

[PinkButtercup]

You've got your times way wrong, there. The driver wasn't there for twenty minutes.

I might be a couple of minutes out. But you can check the driver times yourself here, they are all approx. but align with the camera footage

 

[cujenn81]

You've got your times way wrong, there. The driver wasn't there for twenty minutes.

Not off by much. She was there for 15 minutes. Also, I can’t believe I haven’t seen anyone talk about the fact that BK pulled in behind her vehicle when she was parked in front of the house.

Supplement 104 of MPD files

 

[Warwick7]

When did she bring it in the kitchen?

What is the correct order?

This is what I have in my personal timeline. Who knows I might have something wrong, but this is my timeline.
-------------------------
4:07:27: HH, his lights flash catching cctv.

Moving much quicker on ring camera! He may have finally seen all the lights went off.

4:07:51 GH, BK pulls up behind then beside the house, parked.

4:07:53am got out and did blood spatter midigation.

4:10 or 12 am goes into the house from beind and into the sliding glass foor---leaving it open. Dateline says 4:13am.

He goes straight up stairs.

4:11 kills MM and GK
[Prosecution says MM showed absolutely no sign of defensive wounds. The suspect's clothing precluded any scratching, and alludes to her toxicology being relevant (too drunk to fight back, probably). So no to dna under her fingernails.

SG stated in interview Kaylee had been stabbed so many different times. Could it be she simply woke up to what was happening to Maddie and she started kicking at him. I think he got so pissed so ANGRY he clocked her with the end of that knife. SG said he did see the autopsy for his daughter. He said she had multiple hits to her face. Maybe BK "repositioned" his hand cause she kicked his hand, the knife fell on Maddie and in one swoop he picked it up and hit her face repeatedly.

4:12 DM heard from what sounded like Goncalves playing with her dog, according to the affidavit.

(Actually I think this noise is from upstairs above her and mm ck being killed). So DM heard this, opens her bedroom door, but doesn't see anything.

4:12 XK after flipping through her phone on tic tok she stopped. She was active on her phone 13 minutes after food arrived (from MassGuy)
3:59 + 13 = 4:12

4:10 to 4:13:30 BK is upstairs. It looks like KG put up a harderfight than we thought. She has a busted up face and a broken nose.

4:14am Xana ends tik toc and Xana heads to kitchen, sees back slider open at the same time hears serious commotion upstairs.

4:?? DM was concerned about KG called out KG's name.

Time? Xana instantly gone upstairs to check on KG....then fleeing from Kohberger by running back to her bedroom.

***There was blood on the "banister" the one going up to the 3rd level. Probably BK swiping banister as he came down.

They may have shuffled into the beer pong table knocking cups down. Bethany hears noises from upstairs, a firecracker, a flash under her door and heard the beer pong table moved and falling cups.

4:17:30 She may have tried to slam the door shut. He pushes his way in. He attacks her, they fight. Cctv captures screaming and a THUD. Her autopsy report reveals that she had more than 50 stab wounds covering her body, which were "mostly defensive," and that she died from one laceration in her right lung and two lacerations in her heart. Sgt. Gunderson wrote in his report that "it was obvious an intense struggle had occurred" between Xana and her killer.

She made it over to the right side of the bed, pushed the end table in a struggle. I think Ethan was on his stomach and his legs were cut to immobilize him. this roused him and he tried to get up, like up on his elbow but couldn't (because legs) and fell back onto his back, then the final blow, to his neck leaving him on his back.

EC is finally not moving, he turns around, tells Xana he is going to help her.

***He attacked her and she fought him hard. Xana, a strong-willed woman, fought her killer to the very end. “Bruises on her body, torn by the knife." This is why we heard THUD.

4:18:20 he stands there a minute with his hands resting on his knee caps watching to see if either move. M00

DM heard what she thought was crying coming from Kernodle's room (or bathroom), so she got up and opened the door a second time.

4:17 a dog goes off loud barking

*Note: doc dump...The King Road Residence contained a significant amount of blood from the victims (some of KG and mostly XK), including spatter and castoff in the living room . Xana was not found in her bed and that "there was blood cast-off on the walls in various places, including above Xana's body."

4:18:50 (dateline) DM opens her door a 3rd time (GH email said DM heard a fight) and sees some clad in black, face mask and bushy eye brows walking "twords her." She saw him and he saw her. Yes, they locked eyes.

He walks past her--she froze shocked.

• He leaves a latent footprint. These residues are often too faint or subtle to be seen with the naked eye outside her door.

Forensic scientists use various techniques, such as dusting with powders, chemical treatments, or advanced imaging technologies, to make latent prints visible.

The male walked twords the sliding glass door. He didn5 kill her Thompson says, because he was in that home longer than he expected. Also he said he only aimed at killing one.

4:17:12am DM locked her door.

He goes out doors up hill to his blood spatter mitigation

 

[Dotta]

"Neighbor of University of Idaho Students​

Heard Tapping on Window After Murders,​

Told Police Might Have Been Bryan Kohberger.​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1960412974826377257

• A University of Idaho student spoke to state police about an incident on Nov. 13, 2022, when he heard someone tapping on his window.
• This happened at approximately 5 a.m. at his home, less than an hour after Bryan Kohberger murdered four college students at 1122 King Road.
• This young man was a neighbor of the victims, and spoke with Idaho State Police thinking it could have been Kohberger, 30, at his window that morning.

'About two minutes after getting in bed,
he heard a tapping on the window next to the front door.
He peered through the blinds on the window
but didn't see anyone',
read the report.

Police did not appear to follow up on the neighbor's report,
but they did enter the interview into evidence."

Honestly folks,
This is stuff straight from a horror movie

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder in what kind of job you can sleep?

Detailes about complaints

https://twitter.com/x/status/1959752722485317996

This murderer needs to stop already. He's so very, very concerned about his rights, but didn't give two thoughts to the right to live of the four innocent victims Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan that he so brutally murdered.

For a big, bad, cold blooded murderer you sure are a whining little ____. Mother is not going to be there to make everything all better for you ever again. Deal with your new life and let the rest of your victims try to get on with theirs.

Oh that's right, you NEED ALL THE ATTENTION ALL OF THE TIME.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Reflecting on the bodycam footage, and the sad game of Who's on First -- poor DM who is trying to keep it together, talks about her roommate KG and the officer, who is aware that there are two victims in each of two rooms muddy have it stuck in his head that DM means "roommate roommate" as in sharing a room with. In a house where there were five roommates, none of whom shared a room (but happening to be sharing a room that night, one with an invited guest).

It struck me because in any other circumstance it would simply be a matter of misunderstanding. So mundane. Such an honest mistake. But with such a horrendous backdrop.

Knowing none of her friends are responding and the First Responders are walking away...

And Murphy, being walked away.

Painfully surreal. No one was saying it but the nothing allaying fear. A reality that got worse and worse and worse.

I'm sick on the photos and self videos at 2 am. Everything college is supposed to be. And even with the underage drinking, they got rides or walked home, traveled in pairs, put no one else in harm's way. Camped out on KG's bed. It should have been the start of their lives.

Not the end.

They are dead not because the felon had any genius, any skill, any anything. He just brought a extra-lethal weapon and ambushed his victims.

Because he wanted to. No other reason.

I don't knew that it's even possible to protect oneself from that kind of grave indifference. He doesn't have to be diagnosed with ASPD to see that he behaves counter-culture. He's just indecent, in every way.

Is there anyone he hasn't been rude to? Classmates, waitresses, students, colleagues professors, Mother, Father... police officers. How many different people did he artlessly railroad with his direct monologues? Forced audiences. Wasting his professor's time. Wasting his parents' time. Wasting the police officer's time. She has better things to do than listen to him run his dissertation on foreign crosswalks. It wasn't actually my fault. I was following the car in front of me. The one who had gone to compete the turn legally? Hardly a defense. But how was he to know? Pennslyvania doesn't have crosswalk paint.

That traffic stop should have started with a sorry, ended with a thank you and been done in under two minutes. She's not your personal Google search bar, Bry. Look it all up on your own time.

We shouldn't be surprised that he doesn't value other people's time.

He doesn't value other people.

It's really too bad he's not in gen pop where he'd be forced to live elbows touching with an entire population he thinks he's better than. Sentenced to peopling all day.

That would be a sentence with some teeth in it.

JMO

I wish I could give you 100 likes Megs. The responsibility lays solely at the feet of this psychopath murderer. He is the one with the sick and demented mind. He made the choice, planned and acted upon it. Now he is serving the rest of his miserable life in prison. Good, I'm glad.

He doesn't deserve a do over. I honestly don't care if he lives out his life sentence or gets an early exit by mayhem. He's certainly not making things easier for himself by already filing 5 complaints.

Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan were doing NOTHING more than most normal college kids do on a weekend night. The very same things I have done myself as well.

They were young, so innocent of any real and present danger at this point in their lives. Hopeful, beautiful, kind, and by all accounts good souls. They should have had a lifetime to look forward to and to share with their families. Gone much too soon in such a horrible manner.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

That is not proof that she ate the food in the kitchen, just that the bag/fries ended up in there.

MOO

Right, Xana could have eaten in her room and then dropped the left overs to the kitchen. I think that is when she heard the commotion and might have started up the stairs but saw the murderer coming down and she raced to her room.

Poor Xana, she was the most coherent and wide awake and fought so hard for her life. She knew what was coming and It breaks my heart for her.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

You've got your times way wrong, there. The driver wasn't there for twenty minutes.

The DD driver stated in one of the released documents that she was there for at least 15 minutes because she couldn't find the house. She was walking around with a flashlight between Queen and King Streets and upon finding it didn't feel comfortable going to the back patio so she left it at the front door.

moo

 

[Boxer]

The DD driver stated in one of the released documents that she was there for at least 15 minutes because she couldn't find the house. She was walking around with a flashlight between Queen and King Streets and upon finding it didn't feel comfortable going to the back patio so she left it at the front door.

moo

Drive from Pullman walk around looking for a difficult to find address for 15 minutes plus wear and and tear on her car. Earning 6 dollars? The Gig economy.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Drive from Pullman walk around looking for a difficult to find address for 15 minutes plus wear and and tear on her car. Earning 6 dollars? The Gig economy.

Plus the fact that she is a female driver alone at that time of night, so dangerous.

 

[Chloegirl]

Yes, but steps 1 and 3 may have happened simultaneously or vice versa. This is as I understand it, not set in stone. moo

I'm also not clear if Xana went all the way up the stairs or just approached the stairs or went up a couple, etc. moo.

It's just so eerie to me that Xana fetched the food from the door after he was in the house. They must have missed each other just by a matter of moments when he first went upstairs.

jmopinion

I think she got the food first and he entered either simultaneously and hid or it happened second. She went to her room to eat some, came out to fetch something/use the microwave because things got cold and heard things developing above. JMOO

I am just not buying that he was in the house already, it has been estimated he entered after 4:12 by some. He may have approached monitored movement before entering, etc.

 

[MassGuy]

New documents concerning the unsealing of court documents.

• NewOrder Regarding Requested Redactions
• NewState Response to Courts Order Regarding Sealed Documents
• NewDefendant Response to the Courts Order

 

[FoxxTraxx]

This is what I have in my personal timeline. Who knows I might have something wrong, but this is my timeline.
-------------------------
4:07:27: HH, his lights flash catching cctv.

Moving much quicker on ring camera! He may have finally seen all the lights went off.

4:07:51 GH, BK pulls up behind then beside the house, parked.

4:07:53am got out and did blood spatter midigation.

4:10 or 12 am goes into the house from beind and into the sliding glass foor---leaving it open. Dateline says 4:13am.

He goes straight up stairs.

4:11 kills MM and GK
[Prosecution says MM showed absolutely no sign of defensive wounds. The suspect's clothing precluded any scratching, and alludes to her toxicology being relevant (too drunk to fight back, probably). So no to dna under her fingernails.

SG stated in interview Kaylee had been stabbed so many different times. Could it be she simply woke up to what was happening to Maddie and she started kicking at him. I think he got so pissed so ANGRY he clocked her with the end of that knife. SG said he did see the autopsy for his daughter. He said she had multiple hits to her face. Maybe BK "repositioned" his hand cause she kicked his hand, the knife fell on Maddie and in one swoop he picked it up and hit her face repeatedly.

4:12 DM heard from what sounded like Goncalves playing with her dog, according to the affidavit.

(Actually I think this noise is from upstairs above her and mm ck being killed). So DM heard this, opens her bedroom door, but doesn't see anything.

4:12 XK after flipping through her phone on tic tok she stopped. She was active on her phone 13 minutes after food arrived (from MassGuy)
3:59 + 13 = 4:12

4:10 to 4:13:30 BK is upstairs. It looks like KG put up a harderfight than we thought. She has a busted up face and a broken nose.

4:14am Xana ends tik toc and Xana heads to kitchen, sees back slider open at the same time hears serious commotion upstairs.

4:?? DM was concerned about KG called out KG's name.

Time? Xana instantly gone upstairs to check on KG....then fleeing from Kohberger by running back to her bedroom.

***There was blood on the "banister" the one going up to the 3rd level. Probably BK swiping banister as he came down.

They may have shuffled into the beer pong table knocking cups down. Bethany hears noises from upstairs, a firecracker, a flash under her door and heard the beer pong table moved and falling cups.

4:17:30 She may have tried to slam the door shut. He pushes his way in. He attacks her, they fight. Cctv captures screaming and a THUD. Her autopsy report reveals that she had more than 50 stab wounds covering her body, which were "mostly defensive," and that she died from one laceration in her right lung and two lacerations in her heart. Sgt. Gunderson wrote in his report that "it was obvious an intense struggle had occurred" between Xana and her killer.

She made it over to the right side of the bed, pushed the end table in a struggle. I think Ethan was on his stomach and his legs were cut to immobilize him. this roused him and he tried to get up, like up on his elbow but couldn't (because legs) and fell back onto his back, then the final blow, to his neck leaving him on his back.

EC is finally not moving, he turns around, tells Xana he is going to help her.

***He attacked her and she fought him hard. Xana, a strong-willed woman, fought her killer to the very end. “Bruises on her body, torn by the knife." This is why we heard THUD.

4:18:20 he stands there a minute with his hands resting on his knee caps watching to see if either move. M00

DM heard what she thought was crying coming from Kernodle's room (or bathroom), so she got up and opened the door a second time.

4:17 a dog goes off loud barking

*Note: doc dump...The King Road Residence contained a significant amount of blood from the victims (some of KG and mostly XK), including spatter and castoff in the living room . Xana was not found in her bed and that "there was blood cast-off on the walls in various places, including above Xana's body."

4:18:50 (dateline) DM opens her door a 3rd time (GH email said DM heard a fight) and sees some clad in black, face mask and bushy eye brows walking "twords her." She saw him and he saw her. Yes, they locked eyes.

He walks past her--she froze shocked.

• He leaves a latent footprint. These residues are often too faint or subtle to be seen with the naked eye outside her door.

Forensic scientists use various techniques, such as dusting with powders, chemical treatments, or advanced imaging technologies, to make latent prints visible.

The male walked twords the sliding glass door. He didn5 kill her Thompson says, because he was in that home longer than he expected. Also he said he only aimed at killing one.

4:17:12am DM locked her door.

He goes out doors up hill to his blood spatter mitigation

Agree with your timeline. One thing I learned from LE's BodyCam footage was seeing the sliding glass door was right next to the kitchen stove. XK had to be in her room when BK entered - not in the kitchen area. She probably turned off the light, went to her room, and then BK came just a minute or so later. Then XK heard the noises. I bet BK expected them to all be asleep at 4 AM.

 

[stormymama]

As I understand it, Xana picked up the food from the doorstep before the murderer entered the house.

MOO

Yes, but steps 1 and 3 may have happened simultaneously or vice versa. This is as I understand it, not set in stone. moo

I'm also not clear if Xana went all the way up the stairs or just approached the stairs or went up a couple, etc. moo.

Quoting myself bc I made a boo boo. I meant to say steps 2 and 4, not 1 and 3. It was a long day for me by lunchtime. I’m sorry if I added to anyone’s confusion.

 

[Gemmie]

Agree with your timeline. One thing I learned from LE's BodyCam footage was seeing the sliding glass door was right next to the kitchen stove. XK had to be in her room when BK entered - not in the kitchen area. She probably turned off the light, went to her room, and then BK came just a minute or so later. Then XK heard the noises. I bet BK expected them to all be asleep at 4 AM.

Xana could also have been in the living room on the couch eating and doing TikTok with ear buds in so as not to disturb roommates.