GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

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GH found a satellite image in July, 2022 of a white vehicle parked at the very area a tipster reported having seen a white vehicle on 11/13/2022. He's not saying it's the same vehicle but it's pointing out the interesting coincidence.

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GH found a satellite image in July, 2022 of a white vehicle parked at the very area a tipster reported having seen a white vehicle on 11/13/2022. He's not saying it's the same vehicle but it's pointing out the interesting coincidence.

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Exactly!!!
This is 7 days after that pool party.

We already know before he ever left Pennsylvania he was planning on killing someone.

Now look at this:

July 9 BK was invited to an afternoon pool party in nearby Moscow, Idaho, according to three witnesses who met him there.
(Did he follow someone home?)

Starting on July 9, 2022 to November 7th, between 10 pm and 4am -- he 23 separate times, was within 100 meters of the house.

And now it just happens 7 days after the pool party a white vehicle is under that tree. A tree out in the middle of no where.
Did he dig his whole that day? 🥴
 
  • #963
And what were they to think? It was quite again, and they fell asleep.
RSBM

Your comment made me think of how, when I was a child and I heard a sound in the night and didn't know what it was, I would literally gaslight myself into believing that I hadn't heard anything. I wouldn't be at all surprised if their minds were doing something similar (but on a much larger scale) at that moment, pushing away the scary and confusing things that had just happened for just long enough until they'd had some rest and could start to actually process it all
 
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Exactly!!!
This is 7 days after that pool party.

We already know before he ever left Pennsylvania he was planning on killing someone.

Now look at this:

July 9 BK was invited to an afternoon pool party in nearby Moscow, Idaho, according to three witnesses who met him there.
(Did he follow someone home?)

Starting on July 9, 2022 to November 7th, between 10 pm and 4am -- he 23 separate times, was within 100 meters of the house.

And now it just happens 7 days after the pool party a white vehicle is under that tree. A tree out in the middle of no where.
Did he dig his whole that day? 🥴

Perhaps it was a favorite place. To star gaze. His route back to Pullman 23+ times. A little bit like an inspiration point. The night cap for a solo player who had a rich (sick?) fantasy life (hello, internet searches), incapable of real relationships with real women.

After 23 latenight trips to Moscow, maybe hee wasn't interested in going straight home. Must have been a bear for him to have to wait until 5 or 6 am to call Mother.

Honestly. The only thing missing here is the motel.

JMO
 
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From Brian Entin, short video duplicating what he reported earlier today, on today's hearing --

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Perhaps it was a favorite place. To star gaze. His route back to Pullman 23+ times. A little bit like an inspiration point. The night cap for a solo player who had a rich (sick?) fantasy life (hello, internet searches), incapable of real relationships with real women.

After 23 latenight trips to Moscow, maybe hee wasn't interested in going straight home. Must have been a bear for him to have to wait until 5 or 6 am to call Mother.

Honestly. The only thing missing here is the motel.

JMO
I realize we're all just speculating but Hughes' sighting really does feel right. Fits everything we've learned about his habits

Jul 16 was also a Saturday. (At weekends he's at his most isolated - no classes - as well as late night stalking opportunities the Friday night before as @Warwick7 points out. )

By July 16th he'd be on reconaissance. ( Classes don't start til mid August but he's discussing knives as early as Jun 29th, his first night in Pullman)
He's an obsessive planner too.( Scoping out potential remote disposal spots)
Planning and fantasy overlap for him too. ( Gets off on it)
He also feels most comfortable solitary, in nature and that car makes him feel powerful.

Betting that Google Maps has captured a few more sightings
 
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Agreed. But this whole house was their home.

Murphy had free rein.

IMO nobody had shoes on.

Roommates were talking. DM. Possibly KG. XK.

Murphy would have alerted to the DDD for sure (IMO) and the food, if he was used to people food.

XK could have gone up the steps with Murphy and looked out a window from there.

But I think you're right, the DDD was going by memory, by and large quite accurate but getting a window wrong by one floor, totally reasonable.

Chilling now close she came to a mass murderer without even knowing it. We are NEVER as safe as we think we are.

Armed? Loaded gun under the pillow? Mace in your actual hand? Useless if an armed intruder is atop you before you can even awaken. Useless if it's the one night you forgot to lock the door. Useless in the face of an ambush.

I find it beyond repulsive that the inmate has the nerve to whine about his sleeping conditions. What about MM, KG, XK, EC (an invited guest), DM, BF and even Murphy's right to go to bed at night in their own beds in their own home and wake up in the morning, at whatever time suits them.

He earned his life sentences. Prison isn't posh. I don't care if he has to sleep with the lights on.

He made the dark scarier for all of us.

JMO
I think the inmate's reaction to prison is not at all surprising and one reason why I had no qualms about the DP being off the table. He will have a profoundly miserable life in prison.
 
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It was below freezing at 4 am on the night of their murders, 28 degrees:


IMO, anyone in the house even if well heated would keep their shoes, socks, or slippers on, and anyone answering the door or stepping outside would also be well shod.

So it makes sense to me that clomping up and down the stairs was heard that night and the stray shoe/boot was where it was in the living room having been recently taken off from being outside/going to the door/keeping their feet warm.
I dunno. I've been teaching college kids for years. I've seen them wearing crocs outside in deep snow, kids wearing shorts when it's zero out, girls wearing spaghetti straps tops...the surviving roommate might know who always wore socks and/or shoes.
 
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I dunno. I've been teaching college kids for years. I've seen them wearing crocs outside in deep snow, kids wearing shorts when it's zero out, girls wearing spaghetti straps tops...the surviving roommate might know who always wore socks and/or shoes.
+1 on this. I've seen kids younger than that waiting at bus stops for the school bus not wearing much of anything at all and it was 32°! And I worked with a guy that NEVER wore anything other than shorts and sandals year-round. The cold apparently doesn't affect us all the same way. Personally I think they're nuts. lol

But since I've witnessed what I have, from many different individuals, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a lot of bare feet and scantily clothed bodies.

Ahhhh... to be young again.
 
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RSBM

Your comment made me think of how, when I was a child and I heard a sound in the night and didn't know what it was, I would literally gaslight myself into believing that I hadn't heard anything. I wouldn't be at all surprised if their minds were doing something similar (but on a much larger scale) at that moment, pushing away the scary and confusing things that had just happened for just long enough until they'd had some rest and could start to actually process it all
I once witnessed a drive-by shooting on my way home from work. Even though the shooter was maybe 50 yards away, I had thoroughly convinced myself I’d seen a group of teenagers shooting off fireworks by the time I got home. But then the shooting was reported on the news…
 
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I once witnessed a drive-by shooting on my way home from work. Even though the shooter was maybe 50 yards away, I had thoroughly convinced myself I’d seen a group of teenagers shooting off fireworks by the time I got home. But then the shooting was reported on the news…
I remember a time that a draft must have blown my closet door slowly open and I was certain I saw a hand reaching out of the closet when I was a kid. I ran to my sisters room and asked her to look and she said heck no... and then we both fell asleep in her bed.

For most people, these types of incidents really are "nothing" and we look in the closet or under the bed or go up the stairs to check on our roommate just to confirm everything is actually ok so we can go back to what we were doing. We dont actually expect to be confronted with anything.

This is why I dont think its bizarre the surviving roommates went to sleep eventually. The far more likely outcome was that they would all have had a good laugh about how freaked out they'd been the next morning over brunch with their friends.
 
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I dunno. I've been teaching college kids for years. I've seen them wearing crocs outside in deep snow, kids wearing shorts when it's zero out, girls wearing spaghetti straps tops...the surviving roommate might know who always wore socks and/or shoes.
MOO She got her DD dressed the way she was found.
 
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Wow, what an emotional, unimaginable, senseless crime. Perpetrated by this murderer hiding in the shadows. We know he drove past the 1122 King St. on 23 occasions from August until the murders. This wasn't just a random act on random people, it was a well thought out, timed and planned event. Thank goodness he wasn't smart enough to pull it off perfectly.

I believe he specifically targeted these young women in that house, who represented everything he hated about women in general and his own pathetic life. Ethan just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. He followed one, two or maybe all of them on social media at some point where they all had a large, open online presence. Maybe even before he actually arrived at WSU.

I think his main target was Kaylee (destroying her very identity - facial features left almost unrecognizable 😢). He committed the act that night because he had to. Kaylee was back in town for essentially the last long weekend before graduation, which he would have known by following her SM accounts.

I also think it's likely that he actually was behind the Papa Rodgers account, no proof, JMO. Even if LE couldn't/didn't definitively link him to it, he was well versed enough in computer technology to erase the digital trail. We know through the documents released that he used software to do that.

He made the Plea deal because he knew the State had a rock solid winning case. He was beaten after all the Motions and rulings against the Defense in the last hearings. He wasn't sorry or remorseful, he didn't care about his family, it was simply a matter of self preservation.

I hope prison serves him exactly the Karma he deserves.

JMO

[bbm]

In this article, they were quoted as saying 'It wasn't him'. That leads me to think they know who it was.

 
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[bbm]

In this article, they were quoted as saying 'It wasn't him'. That leads me to think they know who it was.

Right, but I still have doubts. Just my own weird hinky meter and probably wrong. I just think this murderer would have wanted to engage in conversation about it too much.

IMO
 
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" 'Even if crime scene images are somehow redacted,
it's still traumatizing for the families',
Ethan's mother, Stacy Chapin,
wrote in a court document.

'They are heartbreaking
and continue to reopen a wound that has yet to heal',
she wrote.

The images still showed blood on the floors and walls of the home,
and the videos included the sounds of sobbing friends and roommates.

Leander James, an attorney representing family members of Mogen and Chapin,
told 2nd District Judge Megan Marshall
that the blurring was ineffective,
that the blood should also have been hidden from public view,
and that the sounds of distress should have been muted.

'Blurring is not redacting',
James said during a Thursday morning hearing."
 
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"Pictures of BK as a teen...
Not only appearance but also personality changes seemed to happen
according to his school friend".

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[bbm]

In this article, they were quoted as saying 'It wasn't him'. That leads me to think they know who it was.

I was a member of the Facebook group at that time. I remember someone posted another post made by PR, concerning a school board matter in Ohio. The thinking was, PR used that account to make the post by error, should have used their usual Facebook account. Also, Facebook admins would have location information as to the IP address of the PR account, I think. No need for law enforcement to lie to the public now about PR. IMO.
 
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Right, but I still have doubts. Just my own weird hinky meter and probably wrong. I just think this murderer would have wanted to engage in conversation about it too much.

IMO
I've been a long time BK-is-not-Pappa-Rodgers advocate not only because Reddit has the best account fingerprinting (duplicate account detection) tools on planet earth using a combination of methods that not even a VPN can avoid to prevent ban avoidance, IMO and MOO .

But also because the majority of things he said were incorrect. If you go through each of the 52 posts that people highlighted post BK's arrest as evidence that BK is Pappa Rodgers, only 18 were direct claims or seemingly rhetorical questions about the crime. The rest were just plain old creepy questions.

Out of those 18 claims about the crime:
- He was correct 22% of the time.
- He was only correct 16% of the time if you don't give him credit for his 11/30 post about the knife and sheath (something the media reported on 11/16 and people were speculating about a sheath even earlier).
- Most of the stuff was posting are inane things like "4 weeks in and no suspects. What is the motive?" or "What do we think is the height and weight of the killer?" things everyone was asking.

What was he right about?
11/30 - when commenting on a pictture of detctives combing the back of the house.... he said something akin to - the killer came from the back of the house and was covered in blood, there's likely evidence there. - Something hundreds of people were already speculating and of course they would be covered in blood.
11/30 - the knife sheat (see above)
12/5 - Other people in the house were alerted by the killers presence. This one is super duper weak. Since there were already rumors about a surviving victim hearing the entire thing and you'd imagine that a brutal crime like this wouldn't be silent.
12/20 - Speculated that the killer struggled with female relations on . Something people had long been speculating.
12/22 - The killer not being in the victims immediate circle on . A time where the inner circle had already volunteered their DNA and LE had loudly cleared a lot of people in their inner circle who were being harassed.

That's literally it. Things that many true crime sleuther were also speculating. But again, MOO.

What was he wrong about?
- wildly wrong about the local of Xana's body
- wildly wrong about the killer entering from an unlocked window
- wildly wrong about Ethan - mirroring the early rumors of him being in the hallway
- white car is a red herring
- white car isn't relevant (a great example of when he's right, which isn't often, he's credited, but when he's wrong...its him trying to throw off LE)
- said the killer was a construction worker or a short term visitor

The last one strikes me as a person who's watched too many episodes of the Forensic Files (no offense, to the real pappa rodger)

There are many many more incorrect claims that would likely bring that percentage even further down. But my memory is hazy and my research isn't accessible right now. Again, all MOO.

Pappa Rodgers is a what happens when the same mechanisms that power astrology are injected to the telephone game. The legend has far outgrown the actual online persona.

MOO
 
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