PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[Megnut]

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[LinasK]

Fixing this. Mixed my threads up.

Is the consensus here that BK would not take any kind of offer if given one? Even if it meant LWOP instead of the Death Penalty?

ETA: or that Prosecution would not offer a deal, even if it meant some kind of explanation? Like LWOP if you tell us XXXXX. (I've seen those offers and they often work)

Usually those kinds of plea deals are offered in exchange for the location of the bodies. That doesn't apply in this case, so what motive would the prosecution have to offer one???

 

[Ghostwheel]

Usually those kinds of plea deals are offered in exchange for the location of the bodies. That doesn't apply in this case, so what motive would the prosecution have to offer one???

I was thinking give us this information and LWOP with vegan food for life:
What was your motivation? ( might help the families)
Location of the murder weapon.
Location of anything used in the murders
Any partners he had (because SODDI or SODDIWM (some other dude did it with me))
Is there anyone else that is deceased we should be looking for? (like in Pennsylvania somewhere)

If he thinks he still has a chance to go free, he wouldn't take it. But if he had a chance at something that would be preferable to Death row and he knows his goose is cooked, he might take it.

I mean, Dennis Rader (BTK) needed everyone to know it was him and why he did it, after all. Its likely no one would have caught him unless he started up again, and maybe he felt he was going to and sabotaged himself, I dunno. But some killers need to have it known it was them and why. But maybe with him it was because he didn't figure anyone would know, and he could not have THAT.

 

[Megnut]

Usually those kinds of plea deals are offered in exchange for the location of the bodies. That doesn't apply in this case, so what motive would the prosecution have to offer one???

If he confessed, waived appeal, gave up the location of the murder weapon, and plead guilty, no charges dropped, it would save additional expenses and spare the families the trauma of a trial.

But nobody's giving BK a pass of any sort. The State has him by his brows.

So no adjustment, save maybe negotiating over the DP, but no way would the State compromise on LWOP.

JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Usually those kinds of plea deals are offered in exchange for the location of the bodies. That doesn't apply in this case, so what motive would the prosecution have to offer one???

Sometimes the defense is looking for a plea deal and the prosecution will take it, after consulting with the family or families. One reason is to spare the families the brutal experience of a trial, which in some cases (not this one) puts the victim on trial. Here, details of the crime will be brutal to take in. The other reason is to save the state the cost of a trial.

I don't think anyone in this case wants a plea because this crime deeply wounded the people of Idaho and the brutality and depravity of the crime cries out for a public airing of the evidence. I don't suppose there is anything that would convince probergers that he's guilty, but for people who don't follow the case here or on other media, the trial is where they will see exactly what he did and the evidence that shows he's the monster.

 

[Megnut]

Sometimes the defense is looking for a plea deal and the prosecution will take it, after consulting with the family or families. One reason is to spare the families the brutal experience of a trial, which in some cases (not this one) puts the victim on trial. Here, details of the crime will be brutal to take in. The other reason is to save the state the cost of a trial.

I don't think anyone in this case wants a plea because this crime deeply wounded the people of Idaho and the brutality and depravity of the crime cries out for a public airing of the evidence. I don't suppose there is anything that would convince probergers that he's guilty, but for people who don't follow the case here or on other media, the trial is where they will see exactly what he did and the evidence that shows he's the monster.

I just want to clarify --

There are plea agreements and straight-up, pleas.

Plea agreements are negotiated...

BK could plead guilty as charged and move straight to sentencing iiuc. DP

He could seek a plea agreement in order to table the DP, which the State could accept or reject.

The State has no reason IMO to reduce the charges to accommodate BK's wishes, such as he might have some. Their case is solid so, even if he tried, I don't think they'd accept anything less than LWOP and really what would that be? 2nd degree manslaughter? Negligent homicide? He drove there. He surveiled. He entered with a knife. He murderer one, two, three, four... no question of premeditated, he had an abundance of time to stop and consider.

I don't think BK wants to cut the trial short.

He's got nothing to lose.

JMO

 

[Sachi]

Thanks Megnut, what you said!
Grateful for you and so many others here who keep the flame going in honor of the Xana, Ethan, Maddy and Kaylee.

Your knowledge and contribution is appreciated here!
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SteveP
Punish
Girlhas
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punishthen
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And on, IF I missed naming you for your dedication and educated opinions in this case, thank you!

 

[Megnut]

The timing of the DD delivery is truly extraordinary, awful in many ways -- her trauma, that XK was awake, etc -- but it convicts BK, placing him at 1122 Kind Road and accounting for his peculiar driving, in particular that fourth loop.

It looks like it took him a full minute to go two blocks, consistent with parking, then driving away, which is also consistent with the DD statements.

Crazy to think how these  sad stars aligned -- an innocent late night case of munchies.. and a sadistic predator, pulling in and parking... then circling away briefly before coming in for the kill.

BK wasn't stargazing. The stars were watching him, 21st century stars in the form of home security, headlights and a Doordash delivery.

AT: yes, he was driving around, but not over there. And he wasn't stopping.

Oh, really?

The data suggests otherwise, AT. And there's a lot of it.

JMO

 

[danablue1]

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The DD driver is a gold mine and going to be a shining star in this case

 

[DizzyB]

The DD driver is a gold mine and going to be a shining star in this case

I’m not so sure. The driver’s car, phone, and possible dashcam might be great, but I think the defense will go after any eyewitness testimony.

 

[Megnut]

I’m not so sure. The driver’s car, phone, and possible dashcam might be great, but I think the defense will go after any eyewitness testimony.

Unlike BK's story, the DDD's story will be backed up by cctv, DD and her phone.

AT can attack her character (AT will extend her no mercy, no mitigation -- oh, the irony) but her testimony will stand because tge State will 'bring it' IMO. Her presence forced BK into evidentiary errors -- capturing no front license plate being just one.

But she can also, like no one else can, give voice to XK. What she was wearing, where she was standing, what she said (if it was hand to hand delivery), she may be able to say which lights if any where on, and of course she can fill in the details for what BK was doing in those crucial minutes just prior to his killing spree.

I hope the State lays it all out in direct to take the sting out before AT gets to her. She didn't ask for this, BK forced this on everyone. Of the State can humanize her, real messy life and all, AT's cross will fall flat.

JMO

 

[Arkay]

The DD driver is a gold mine and going to be a shining star in this case

She’s the “star” he should have been gazing upon rather than his phony and useless alibi of gazing at the stars above.

If only he noticed or cared enough to turn around and go away, knowing another outsider was there nearly simultaneously with him.

But IMO he felt he was tantalizing so close to his fixation and practically in a hypnotic state by then.

JMO

 

[Peppery]

Fixing this. Mixed my threads up.

Is the consensus here that BK would not take any kind of offer if given one? Even if it meant LWOP instead of the Death Penalty?

ETA: or that Prosecution would not offer a deal, even if it meant some kind of explanation? Like LWOP if you tell us XXXXX. (I've seen those offers and they often work)

IMO
The state won’t offer a deal and he wouldn’t accept it anyway.

What kind of info would the state want that badly? The knife would be nice to have, his planning/preparations would be interesting to hear. His “why” either won’t make sense to normal people or would be a lie. And in the end, IMO, the only thing this trial is going to decide is DP or LWOP. Guilt is certainly guaranteed and at the least he’ll get LWOP. I don’t see any benefit for the state to even consider a deal.

 

[minazoe]

IMO
The state won’t offer a deal and he wouldn’t accept it anyway.

What kind of info would the state want that badly? The knife would be nice to have, his planning/preparations would be interesting to hear. His “why” either won’t make sense to normal people or would be a lie. And in the end, IMO, the only thing this trial is going to decide is DP or LWOP. Guilt is certainly guaranteed and at the least he’ll get LWOP. I don’t see any benefit for the state to even consider a deal.

no deals...they don't need a thing from Bryan. he's a dead man walking and everyone knows it. mOO

 

[Arkay]

IMO
The state won’t offer a deal and he wouldn’t accept it anyway.

What kind of info would the state want that badly? The knife would be nice to have, his planning/preparations would be interesting to hear. His “why” either won’t make sense to normal people or would be a lie. And in the end, IMO, the only thing this trial is going to decide is DP or LWOP. Guilt is certainly guaranteed and at the least he’ll get LWOP. I don’t see any benefit for the state to even consider a deal.

This makes sense to me.

The evidence of BK’s guilt is really incontrovertible, IMO. We would all like to hear the motive, but just as you say, @Peppery, anything forthcoming from him would not necessarily be the truth nor fathomable.

It was mentioned that perhaps if he’s murdered in Pennsylvania or elsewhere he might want to make a deal regarding that. To my knowledge there’s no evidence of it, DNA nor anything else tangible, so BK would really have no reason to confess to additional crimes. I cannot imagine that if he takes a deal it would go any further than dropping the death penalty.

I don’t think the state would give him a shortened sentence by confessing to crimes yet unknown to LE, because the gravity of the quadruple murder is already far too dire for anything less than LWOP.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

I was only thinking of some kind of plea deal like Guilty instead of Not Guilty in exchange for LWOP instead of DP. No appeals. Nothing more. Or No Contest to mitigate a civil case that might follow.

And while I 100% agree that the DP is appropriate, I also consider those who are going to have to testify and how incredibly stressful that will be for all of them. Having to relive that night/ morning while staring at BK in a courtroom and having now been seen in court the probergers that will track them down and harass them through all the appeal years. I simply had a thought/ hope where they might not have to go through that.

 

[Sachi]

I was only thinking of some kind of plea deal like Guilty instead of Not Guilty in exchange for LWOP instead of DP. No appeals. Nothing more. Or No Contest to mitigate a civil case that might follow.

And while I 100% agree that the DP is appropriate, I also consider those who are going to have to testify and how incredibly stressful that will be for all of them. Having to relive that night/ morning while staring at BK in a courtroom and having now been seen in court the probergers that will track them down and harass them through all the appeal years. I simply had a thought/ hope where they might not have to go through that.

This

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I’m not so sure. The driver’s car, phone, and possible dashcam might be great, but I think the defense will go after any eyewitness testimony.

It will be a little rich, IMO, for the defense to go too hard on the DD driver when their own client has a history of heroin addiction.

 

[minazoe]

Bryan is looking forward to his trial I think...and I don't think we want a Dennis Rader situation with Bryan confessing and reliving his evil deeds and murders in the courtroom. mOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

She’s the “star” he should have been gazing upon rather than his phony and useless alibi of gazing at the stars above.

If only he noticed or cared enough to turn around and go away, knowing another outsider was there nearly simultaneously with him.

But IMO he felt he was tantalizing so close to his fixation and practically in a hypnotic state by then.

JMO

Ah, but it's speculated here that BK did notice the DD driver, he did turn around and go away, and only then did the DD driver feel safe enough to exit her car and deliver Xana's food at 3:59 am.

Unfortunately, BK also returned to 1122 King Rd, a little after 4:07 am when his car was last recorded by a Linda Ln camera before the murders.

Because, as you said @Arkay, he was so very tantalizingly close to his fixation, and, of course, doesn’t care about anyone.

But BK returned, thankfully, only after the Ridge Rd camera provided the very best view of his Elantra at 4:01 am:



Source: States Response Defendants MiL 12 RE Make Model Suspect Vehicle

IMO