PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[Megnut]

Exactly the same for me, I have totally missed the bit about a female DD driver too!
Surely she will have given a statement at the time!? And if so..surely IF she had anything credible to add she will be called as a witness by prosecution?
Are we not supposed to know about this? Is it leaked info hence it's on the hush hush?

I believe that it was obtained under the media fair access act, the anacronym of which escapes me.

JMO

 

[New Penny]

I believe that it was obtained under the media fair access act, the anacronym of which escapes me.

JMO

FOIA. As in Freedom of Information Act

 

[Sundog]

My first reaction was “no way.” Maybe it’s the cynical and cautious New Yorker in me, but I cannot imagine a woman alone at 4 AM driving to a party house.

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In college towns there are a lot of female door dash drivers, a good way to make some money if you have your own car and you can work when you want to. Weekends are the desired time to deliver to both on and off-campus housing. I live in a college town and lots of students - both male and female - like the job, often it's a second job they can do at night and on the weekend.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

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In college towns there are a lot of female door dash drivers, a good way to make some money if you have your own car and you can work when you want to. Weekends are the desired time to deliver to both on and off-campus housing. I live in a college town and lots of students - both male and female - like the job, often it's a second job they can do at night and on the weekend.

I had heard rumors that the DD driver was female, which is exactly why I’d be surprised if Xana asked her to walk around the back in the dark at 4 am to drop off her order.

Anyway, if the DD driver parked next to BK, it had to be during one of his prior loops around the house. She had an alibi, after all, during the time of the murders. Sitting in a car next to 1122 King Rd while BK slaughtered four humans wouldn’t cut it.

IMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

For my money, this whole thing with the video of the alleged (see how I did that?) DD driver is EXACTLY the reason this need to get to trial. There is always going to be something more, some other newest latest greatest thing everyone wants to know that is going to keep trickling out. How about giving some of the surviving victims and people who have to deal with the fallout a break and a chance to go live a normal life?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

It was originally found and posted on a site that is not accepted, and probergers have apparently seized on the video and have drug the poor woman through the mud, going so far as to name her. Gray Hughes picked up on the video and posted a portion of it on his site, which IS accepted, but for now, Tricia is allowing us to kinda loosely discuss it, but will not allow the video itself to be posted here, and we may only refer to her by initials, for the time being, at least. The video was from Sept, 2024, and had nothing to do with the Kohberger case, although she did talk to the interviewer about it to some extent.

It’s amazing to me how ruthless some of these probergers are. It’s as if everyone under the sun is guilty except Bryan C. Kohberger. Someone seems suspicious? Vilify them! Humiliate them! Destroy their lives!

Even articles presumably sympathetic to the surviving victims, like the Daily Mail article shared late in the last thread about the four-part Prime Video docuseries, One Night in Idaho: The College Murders, is filled with hateful comments about the survivors.

Three days ago, one commenter expressed gratitude that people are finally being made aware that the survivors didn’t call 911 until much later that morning! Just in case there is anyone who didn't already know this, the commenter and others like them wanted to spread the flames of conspiracy to a fresh batch of susceptible readers. Luckily, a few commenters have recently pushed back, defending DM and BF.

This trial can’t start soon enough. I will be waiting nervously until Wednesday. Please, Judge Hippler, don’t let me down.

IMO

 

[danablue1]

For my money, this whole thing with the video of the alleged (see how I did that?) DD driver is EXACTLY the reason this need to get to trial. There is always going to be something more, some other newest latest greatest thing everyone wants to know that is going to keep trickling out. How about giving some of the surviving victims and people who have to deal with the fallout a break and a chance to go live a normal life?

I know! the longer this drags out the more evidence that's going to come out.

 

[Megnut]

I had heard rumors that the DD driver was female, which is exactly why I’d be surprised if Xana asked her to walk around the back in the dark at 4 am to drop off her order.

Anyway, if the DD driver parked next to BK, it had to be during one of his prior loops around the house. She had an alibi, after all, during the time of the murders. Sitting in a car next to 1122 King Rd while BK slaughtered four humans wouldn’t cut it.

IMO

The DD was received at 3:59 am iirc. BK was in the area at 3:56, looped away briefly returning at 4:04... during which he did a three point turn and doubled back and again that's when the front of his car was viewable)... so between 3:56 and 4:8/9, BK was likely to be aware of a car near 1122 King. He could have parked or paused at 3:56 or 3:59 or 4:04... 4:06. 1122 King might not have been the onlybplace the DD driver parked either. She may have pulled in to a parking space, parking lot before or after the delivery. Maybe taking a minute to find or make sure she has the right house, verifying where she's supposed to drive the food.

BK wouldn't know it was a DD delivery. DD driver wouldn't know BK was sporting a Marine Kbar and half a (hair-brained) plan for murder. I think neither of them realized what a towering threat the other could be, and for very different reasons.

It is quite possible that the DD, whether right at the house or rather near to it, prior to the crimes, and BK was right there and pulled away.

I am so ready to see where and how those two vehicles interacted. It's the video the State hasn't yet shown. I believe it exists and I believe it'll be damning as hell.

JMO

 

[danablue1]

I know! the longer this drags out the more evidence that's going to come out.

Fingers crossed for Wednesday

 

[Megnut]

It’s amazing to me how ruthless some of these probergers are. It’s as if everyone under the sun is guilty except Bryan C. Kohberger. Someone seems suspicious? Vilify them! Humiliate them! Destroy their lives!

Even articles presumably sympathetic to the surviving victims, like the Daily Mail article shared late in the last thread about the four-part Prime Video docuseries, One Night in Idaho: The College Murders, is filled with hateful comments about the survivors.

Three days ago, one commenter expressed gratitude that people are finally being made aware that the survivors didn’t call 911 until much later that morning! Just in case there is anyone who didn't already know this, the commenter and others like them wanted to spread the flames of conspiracy to a fresh batch of susceptible readers. Luckily, a few commenters have recently pushed back, defending DM and BF.

This trial can’t start soon enough. I will be waiting nervously until Wednesday. Please, Judge Hippler, don’t let me down.

IMO

Oh, the irony of the defenders. BK is innocent because... reasons. Innocent because AT said so. It's just touch DNA on a transferrable item. It's only xx# skin cells. It's not even blood DNA. And also the handrail. Yada yada. But innocent victims who have not been arrested nor charged because there's no evidence pointing that way seem to get no cover of innocent until.

Very soon BK and his alleged innocence will be put before the jury where the presumption of it is going to take a severe pounding, until all that's left are the facts which will IMO convict him.

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I believe this woman was the DD driver that delivered to the house at about the same time that BK was arriving or just there, but I have changed some of my thoughts about the delivery. Gray Hughes suggested in a video, a while back, that, based on coordinates from DD information submitted, with a couple digits not able to be clearly read, that the delivery may have been made to the rear slider, instead of the front door. I thought that made sense at the time, as Xana might have made such a request, as she would have been on that level, and could have gotten the delivery without going downstairs and disturbing a possibly-sleeping BF. After now seeing the video of the alleged DD driver, I am not convinced that she would have physically been able to negotiate the hill on the back side of the home, especially at night, and most likely, imo, may have indeed delivered the order to the front door. This also has me wondering if perhaps she was still parked and sitting near the front of the house, maybe even in the driveway area, while BK was parking, or parked alongside the house, and slipping in the slider. JMO

I agree that the DD driver could not easily clamber up that rocky route to the slider from the front parking area.

Of course, she could have parked on the incline to the left of the house, in line with the back patio, but even that would be precarious (and scary) in the dark.

So I agree it’s more likely that she parked at the front and delivered the meal to the front door.

But as far as the possibility that the driver was still parked when BK slid into the slider, wouldn’t this leave her without an alibi? Also, how would she see him since there is no evidence he parked in front?

I suppose if BK parked on the incline but facing Queen Rd (as suggested by Gray Hughes), and in line with the front parking lot instead of the back patio, the DD driver could have seen BK exit the car and walk up the incline to the back of the house, past DM’s room and on to the slider, but surely BK would have seen her with her headlights on (by then she had already delivered Xana’s food and was preparing for her next trip).

Even in that scenario, she’d still be without an alibi for the murders.

ETA: Sorry, @Megnut, I was writing this when you replied to my earlier post.

I’m fine with the DD driver encountering BK before his final pass and sure hope she saw him!

But she was on to her next gig or already there when BK entered that house, IMO, and had proof. I remember reading this somewhere a long time ago (but the sex of the driver wasn’t revealed). Does anyone else remember this, as well?

 

[al66pine]

FOIA. As in Freedom of Information Act

@New Penny Thx for your post.
As you and others may know, US federal statutes are called "Freedom of Information Act, " w a quick overview here.
Freedom of Information Act (United States) - Wikipedia

IDK which specific agencies' records are being discussed, but the & state laws vary from one another and have different titles.

ID. Statutes on same. CHAPTER 1 "PUBLIC RECORDS ACT"
74-102. Public records — Right to examine. (1)
Idaho Code §§ 74–101 to 74-126

Section 74-102 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

 

[Megnut]

I agree that the DD driver could not easily clamber up that rocky route to the slider from the front parking area.

Of course, she could have parked on the incline to the left of the house, in line with the back patio, but even that would be precarious (and scary) in the dark.

So I agree it’s more likely that she parked at the front and delivered the meal to the front door.

But as far as the possibility that the driver was still parked when BK slid into the slider, wouldn’t this leave her without an alibi? Also, how would she see him since there is no evidence he parked in front?

I suppose if BK parked on the incline but facing Queen Rd (as suggested by Gray Hughes), and in line with the front parking lot instead of the back patio, the DD driver could have seen BK exit the car and walk up the incline to the back of the house, past DM’s room and on to the slider, but surely BK would have seen her with her headlights on (by then she would have already delivered Xana’s food and was preparing for her next trip).

Even in that scenario, she’d still be without an alibi for the murders.

ETA: Sorry, @Megnut, I was writing this when you posted.

I’m fine with the DD driver encountering BK before his final pass and sure hope she saw him!

But she was on to her next gig when BK entered that house, IMO and had proof. I remember reading this somewhere a long time ago (but the sex of the driver wasn’t revealed). Does anyone else remember this, as well?

Rbbm

That's why I think, if she was parked next to him, it was before 4:08, probably before 4:04 and more likely at 3:54 or 3:59. She may have pulled over to consult her phone/map (it might be kind of tricky to find 1122 King in the dark, and if XK entered specific delivery instructions, the driver might have had to stop, park and look them up. And that could be the point at which BK was also stopped, and when she left, so did he.

I expect that the DD driver was on to her next order when BK entered through the slider.

JMO

 

[Arkay]

Thank you to @SteveP, @Sundog, @Megnut, @PunishThenForgive and the multitude of members here who are educating me about the DD driver.

I’m still somewhat stunned that a female driver, all alone, would be out driving at 4 A.M., to drop off a food delivery to a house that is likely to have people who are drunk, partying etc.

I suppose it’s just due to my sense of caution as a woman in NYC, where you never know what’s around the corner, and where like all women I’ve had my over-abundant share of harassment by men.

I guess I’d feel safe and protected while in my car, but I just could not while ringing a doorbell and not knowing who’s inside the home.

JMO and unfortunately some scary experiences.

 

[Megnut]

Thank you to @SteveP, @Sundog, @Megnut, @PunishThenForgive and the multitude of members here who are educating me about the DD driver.

I’m still somewhat stunned that a female driver, all alone, would be out driving at 4 A.M., to drop off a food delivery to a house that is likely to have people who are drunk, partying etc.

I suppose it’s just due to my sense of caution as a woman in NYC, where you never know what’s around the corner, and where like all women I’ve had my over-abundant share of harassment by men.

I guess I’d feel safe and protected while in my car, but I just could not while ringing a doorbell and not knowing who’s inside the home.

JMO and unfortunately some scary experiences.

It might be one of few options to make money for some individuals. Safety risk, acceptable.

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Thank you to @SteveP, @Sundog, @Megnut, @PunishThenForgive and the multitude of members here who are educating me about the DD driver.

I’m still somewhat stunned that a female driver, all alone, would be out driving at 4 A.M., to drop off a food delivery to a house that is likely to have people who are drunk, partying etc.

I suppose it’s just due to my sense of caution as a woman in NYC, where you never know what’s around the corner, and where like all women I’ve had my over-abundant share of harassment by men.

I guess I’d feel safe and protected while in my car, but I just could not while ringing a doorbell and not knowing who’s inside the home.

JMO and unfortunately some scary experiences.

I completely agree, @Arkay. But I also won’t get into an Uber alone unless someone tracks me like a child!

It feels like hitchhiking to me, and I grew up learning to never let someone accost you, then take you to a second location.

Anyway, I am only too aware of what can happen out there. I would think all true crime fans would be the same, at least the women? At least the ones with a few years on them so the most sensational murders don’t seem like a horror flick or thrilling whodunit.

Even DM (and KG) were true crime followers, yet poor DM’s brain couldn’t perceive that something very bad was indeed happening at that very moment—instead, the sounds, and later silence, just had to be a nightmare or a trick of her imagination.

KG’s brain, of course, couldn’t protect her from the truth, the full, awful, brutal reality which, thankfully, lasted only a few short moments before KG finally succumbed to a heartless killer—a killer who IMO will soon face justice, at long last.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Rbbm

That's why I think, if she was parked next to him, it was before 4:08, probably before 4:04 and more likely at 3:54 or 3:59. She may have pulled over to consult her phone/map (it might be kind of tricky to find 1122 King in the dark, and if XK entered specific delivery instructions, the driver might have had to stop, park and look them up. And that could be the point at which BK was also stopped, and when she left, so did he.

I expect that the DD driver was on to her next order when BK entered through the slider.

JMO

Where do you think BK and the DD driver could have mutually stopped? IIRC Gray Hughes mentioned BK possibly pausing on the side of Taylor Ave (the road just down the hill from the house, parallel to Queen Rd and leading to King), but two strangers are unlikely to park abreast one another on the side of a road.

Also, even if BK and the DD driver did somehow end up parked, however briefly, side by side, how would she have seen into his car? Her face may have been illuminated by her phone as she tried to figure out where on earth 1122 King Road was (well, on Queen Road, of course!), his phone was turned off. Nothing illuminated the interior of his car, except perhaps a street light. But the night-time body cam footage of the house showed that it was exceedingly dark in the front parking area, even with a party going on inside.

(Pure speculation)

 

[Arkay]

Anyway, I am only too aware of what can happen out there. I would think all true crime fans would be the same, at least the women? At least the ones with a few years on them so the most sensational murders don’t seem like a horror flick or thrilling whodunit.

What first led me to Websleuths—— in July 1973, I was 15, almost 16, and was going to be entering 12th grade.

Two high-school acquaintances of mine hitchhiked to a concert in upstate NY and were never seen again. They hold the terrible title of being the oldest case of missing teenagers in America.

Googling them when I retired and had time brought me to Websleuths. Their case actuated in me an interest in TRUE crime because it had become true for me.

This was a boyfriend and girlfriend, not a female alone, and I realize the circumstances are different, yet their disappearance taught me that SOMETHING MAY BE LURKING OUT THERE.

Hence my surprise at a solo female driver at 4 A.M.
I do agree that necessity may have played into it.

If the woman involved is in fact the driver, IMO she knows she missed the killer by moments and inches.

How utterly terrifying.

I wonder if LE rapidly dismissed her as the murderer, because it is much less likely that a woman alone could have murdered three women and a man with a knife?

JMO, JM experience, and JM speculation.

 

[Megnut]

Where do you think BK and the DD driver could have mutually stopped? IIRC Gray Hughes mentioned BK possibly pausing on the side of Taylor Ave (the road just down the hill from the house, parallel to Queen Rd and leading to King), but two strangers are unlikely to park abreast one another on the side of a road.

Also, even if BK and the DD driver did somehow end up parked, however briefly, side by side, how would she have seen into his car? Her face may have been illuminated by her phone as she tried to figure out where on earth 1122 King Road was (well, on Queen Road, of course!), his phone was turned off. Nothing illuminated the interior of his car, except perhaps a street light. But the night-time body cam footage of the house showed that it was exceedingly dark in the front parking area, even with a party going on inside.

(Pure speculation)

As many times as I've watched GH's reenactments, I remain spatially inept. Left, right, north, south, latitude, longitude, Cog A, Cog B.

Maybe the DD driver had never delivered to 1122 King before, missed a turn, ended up behind 1122 King, stopped to get her bearings, study directions, etc. Maybe she stopped on the road (Linda Lane maybe?), along the long road where BK's three point turn was captured. Maybe that's where the DD driver paused. And BK parked, there intending to army crawl the rest of the way.

Or maybe BK was in place at 3:54, parked in a primo location, all set to go in, when the DD driver approached the house. Maybe he then drove away, briefly illuminated by a streetlight, or even just ambient moonlight.

Then BK makes a short loop, returning at 4:04, craning to see if the DD driver was still there.

I think BK's movements are best explained by the presence of the DD vehicle. And hers corroborate the timing of all of it.

Master of Patience, BK waited maybe 5 or 8 minutes to park, once he determined the DD driver was cleared.

IMO BK didn't know that that encounter might later serve to convict him.

We know any transfer. Taking and leaving something in every exchange...

There's also this, similar: action and reaction. BK approached, but four times, he drove away, IMO because something at the scene wasn't as he wanted it. Too many lights, too many stragglers on foot, too many moving vehicles (including DD), BK making noise, DM hearing it. Encountering a victim, breaking his own silence. He was interacting with the environment before him. And each of those touchpoints makes for evidence.

He may have successfully pitched it, but I can pretty much guarantee that he left things behind (his DNA for one) and he took things with him, intentionally or not. Victim blood, make shift weapon perhaps, a human hair, a dog hair, something.

I'm hopeful LE discovered BK's dumping ground.

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

As many times as I've watched GH enactment, I remain spatially inept. Left, right, north, south, latitude, longitude, Cog A, Cog B.

Maybe the DD driver had never delivered to 1122 King before, missed a turn, ended up behind 1122 King, stopped to get her bearings, study directions, etc. Maybe she stopped on the road (Linda Lane maybe?), along the long road where BK's three point turn was captured. Maybe that's where the DD driver paused. And BK parked, there intending to army crawl the rest of the way.

Or maybe BK was in place at 3:54, parked in a primo location, all set to go in, when the DD driver approached the house. Maybe he then drove away, briefly illuminated by a streetlight, or even just ambient moonlight.

Then BK makes a short loop, returning at 4:04, craning to see if the DD driver was still there.

I think BK's movements are best explained by the presence of the DD vehicle. And hers corroborate the timing of all of it.

Master of Patience, BK waited maybe 5 or 8 minutes to park, once he determined the DD driver was cleared.

IMO BK didn't know that that encounter might later serve to convict him.

We know any transfer. Taking and leaving something in every exchange...

There's also this, similar: action and reaction. BK approached, but four times, he drove away, IMO because something at the scene wasn't as he wanted it. Too many lights, too many stragglers on foot, too many moving vehicles (including DD), BK making noise, DM hearing it. Encountering a victim, breaking his own silence. He was interacting with the environment before him. And each of those touchpoints makes for evidence.

He may have successfully pitched it, but I can pretty much guarantee that he left things behind (his DNA for one) and he took things with him, intentionally or not. Victim blood, make shift weapon perhaps, a human hair, a dog hair, something.

I'm hopeful LE discovered BK's dumping ground.

JMO

Sorry, @Megnut, for pushing you to figure out what is impossible to know right now. If the MM of the police interview really is the DD driver and she really did see BK, then it doesn’t matter if I or anyone else can figure out exactly how that happened. We aren’t the police or the prosecution, after all, so we simply don’t have access to all the evidence. The truth exists, though, and I’m confident we’ll learn enough of it during trial to bring justice to Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan.

IMO