PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[girlhasnoname]

It might be one of few options to make money for some individuals. Safety risk, acceptable.

JMO

Exactly. A small college town with no history of violence, just a group of drunken college kids ordering food after a night of partying, harmless and in a well populated location. Not like delivering to some random isolated house with potential lone occupants.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the DD driver had delivered to the house before. You know with the number of occupants they had most likely ordered DD delivery many times before. Not a lot of choices in Moscow past 2 am, especially if they didn't have a vehicle of their own or didn't want to risk a DUI.

We are looking at the situation through the jaded lens post murders. I believe the DD driver would have felt safe and probably got tipped well by buzzed, hungry students. It was also ring and leave the order IIRC, so no threat there.

I hate if she has been doxed and is receiving harassment. You know she too is suffering and second guessing everything herself, people can be so cruel.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Short but interesting.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934979403827794051

 

[StarryStarryNight]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934979403827794051

Wow.
That testimony torpedoes the defense’s “he was riding around looking at the stars” alibi. It torpedoes alternate suspects, any questions about if that’s his Elantra and pretty much everything else.
This confirms that this trial is not really about his guilt or innocence but to keep him off death row as far as AT is concerned. BK still wants the excitement of a trial.

 

[SteveP]

Wow.
That testimony torpedoes the defense’s “he was riding around looking at the stars” alibi. It torpedoes alternate suspects, any questions about if that’s his Elantra and pretty much everything else.
This confirms that this trial is not really about his guilt or innocence but to keep him off death row as far as AT is concerned. BK still wants the excitement of a trial.

AT will try everything she can to get this witness disqualified from testifying, and barring that, will do whatever she feels she can get away with to try very hard to paint this witness as troubled and unreliable. Count on it. JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934979403827794051

From the article:

[…]

The 44-year-old woman told police following a traffic stop last year in Pullman, Washington, that she delivered food to the home at 1122 King Road in Moscow moments before the four undergraduates were stabbed to death early in the morning on Nov. 13, 2022. She also told an officer with the Pullman Police Department that she may be called to the stand in the high-profile trial, according to video of the conversation in body-camera footage posted to YouTube.

“Now I have to testify in the big murder case, too,” the woman said, and clarified it was the incident involving the young college women in Moscow. “I’m the DoorDash driver. I saw Bryan …”

“I parked right next to him,” she added.

[…]

 

[Chloegirl]

Wow.
That testimony torpedoes the defense’s “he was riding around looking at the stars” alibi. It torpedoes alternate suspects, any questions about if that’s his Elantra and pretty much everything else.
This confirms that this trial is not really about his guilt or innocence but to keep him off death row as far as AT is concerned. BK still wants the excitement of a trial.

While I agree with you in theory, let's not get too excited. The credibility of this witness could be impeached. She did say this to PPD, possibly even as a pity scenario. DDing most likely on at least hydrocodone (if taken regularly and not other drugs), her judgement seems questionable and it is generally not safe to DD as a woman anywhere at 4am.

This could very well be the legit DDD. The leak of the body cam NOW is interesting. But I am looking for a little bit more, since she is not testifying in the body cam, just saying it under duress during a second DUI arrest. It straight up amazes me what folks are doing in the middle of the night in this town. Also, intoxicated people say a lot of things to garner sympathy. JMOO

I am surprised Kevin Fixler ran with this story. I do like him. There are consistent leaks like they are trying to get the story out incrementally ahead of the trial, JMOO.

 

[Melsworld]

We're anxiously awaiting Wednesday's hearings. At least I am, there's not too much new to talk about until then. JMO

I think we are all too busy holding our breath to talk about it.

 

[Megnut]

AT will try everything she can to get this witness disqualified from testifying, and barring that, will do whatever she feels she can get away with to try very hard to paint this witness as troubled and unreliable. Count on it. JMO

Maddening.

Because life is messy. People have messy lives. The DD driver didn't ask to be part of BK's drama. Any more than DM, BF, EC. AT wants to discredit them for being human.

Shame enough on social media for doing it, for villianizing survivors.

It's too easy to Monday morning quarterback.

If XK heard sounds, why didn't she call 911? (I ask this not as my question but in keeping with contrarians who insist on right actions based only on hindsight's perspective.) Why didn't DM and BF call 911 right away? They didn't know four friends had been murdered, they were surely indoctrinated in a college town/ college house culture where you don't call/invite the cops, but there is a ton of unfairness directed at them, for not being IMO omnipotent. Had DM opened her door with more force/speed, she might have been killed, BF too. Had she and BF ventured upstairs together to look, and then called 911, naysayers would say they should have called 911, then went to look. Too easy to make assumptions about what they should ir shouldn't have done. It's not fair to assign them foreknowledge they didn't have.

AT wants the jury to ho easy on BK, after all he couldn't tie his own shoelace 20+ years ago and he might be on the spectrum, might have OCD, might have ADHD. But discount everything the witnesses say because they're mere mortals...

Jurors will see through it. Witnesses don't have to be  perfect to be credible.

Their combined testimony, however, will convict BK perfectly.

JMO

 

[Dexter12]

From the article:

[…]

The 44-year-old woman told police following a traffic stop last year in Pullman, Washington, that she delivered food to the home at 1122 King Road in Moscow moments before the four undergraduates were stabbed to death early in the morning on Nov. 13, 2022. She also told an officer with the Pullman Police Department that she may be called to the stand in the high-profile trial, according to video of the conversation in body-camera footage posted to YouTube.

“Now I have to testify in the big murder case, too,” the woman said, and clarified it was the incident involving the young college women in Moscow. “I’m the DoorDash driver. I saw Bryan …”

“I parked right next to him,” she added.

[…]

Have they ever said what kind of car the DD drove?

 

[SteveP]

Have they ever said what kind of car the DD drove?

The kind of car that the DD was driving has not been released, but unless it was a white Hyundai Elantra that looked like BK's, it would not be important. PLEASE don't let it be a white Elantra! I am sure that the cam at 1112 King Road that picked up BK, entering and leaving King Road, would also have picked up the DD driver's car, and I am sure LE know what make and model vehicle that was, and can verify the times that she arrived and left, as well as the times that BK did. JMO

 

[DizzyB]

AT will try everything she can to get this witness disqualified from testifying, and barring that, will do whatever she feels she can get away with to try very hard to paint this witness as troubled and unreliable. Count on it. JMO

She might not be a great witness, but she most certainly is not an alternate suspect.

 

[twall]

While I agree with you in theory, let's not get too excited. The credibility of this witness could be impeached. She did say this to PPD, possibly even as a pity scenario. DDing most likely on at least hydrocodone (if taken regularly and not other drugs), her judgement seems questionable and it is generally not safe to DD as a woman anywhere at 4am.

This could very well be the legit DDD. The leak of the body cam NOW is interesting. But I am looking for a little bit more, since she is not testifying in the body cam, just saying it under duress during a second DUI arrest. It straight up amazes me what folks are doing in the middle of the night in this town. Also, intoxicated people say a lot of things to garner sympathy. JMOO

I am surprised Kevin Fixler ran with this story. I do like him. There are consistent leaks like they are trying to get the story out incrementally ahead of the trial, JMOO.

According to YouTube the body cam video was uploaded 8 months ago so IMO it isn't a current leak.

 

[Tricia]

When I said we shouldn't discuss the DD video, it was unclear whether the driver saw anything, even though she said she did in the video. To me this video is just sad and I don't feel good about playing it. It is a police interview of the woman. She was pulled over last September. However, we can discuss it because it has been confirmed that she is testifying in the case. The articles have all the info we need to discuss this part of the case. Please only use the woman's initials.
Thank you.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Thank you to @SteveP, @Sundog, @Megnut, @PunishThenForgive and the multitude of members here who are educating me about the DD driver.

I’m still somewhat stunned that a female driver, all alone, would be out driving at 4 A.M., to drop off a food delivery to a house that is likely to have people who are drunk, partying etc.

I suppose it’s just due to my sense of caution as a woman in NYC, where you never know what’s around the corner, and where like all women I’ve had my over-abundant share of harassment by men.

I guess I’d feel safe and protected while in my car, but I just could not while ringing a doorbell and not knowing who’s inside the home.

JMO and unfortunately some scary experiences.

I just wanted to point out that a YOUNG woman out in a college area might have considerably more issues than a middle aged woman. Unless there is something odd going on, a college area is relatively safe because the food delivery is after the party, when you have the munchies or realize you need something to soak up the alcohol. Drunk college students, in my experience, can be pretty obnoxious, but relatively safe for a woman over a certain age. JMO, of course. Everyone has to honor their own concerns, experiences and type of areas.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I still have a problem with the reporting.

"The #DoorDash driver who delivered food just before the #Idaho4 were killed said she saw #BryanKohberger near the off-campus home in Moscow. She said she parked right next to him, and would testify accordingly"

That isn't what is in the video says. She didn't say "right" next to him, IMO or that she would testify "accordingly". How about the actual words? The transcipt on youtube has "music" in the space for when she speaks about it, so you can't see it there.

But the video bothers me because she is speaking in a manner that is not the same as if you were relaying what you had seen. I mean, at the time someone originally interviewed her for this trial, she could not possibly have known the name of the person who she saw or who owned the car she saw if she did not see a person. Wouldn't it be something if she had a picture of his car?

 

[MassGuy]

I still have a problem with the reporting.

"The #DoorDash driver who delivered food just before the #Idaho4 were killed said she saw #BryanKohberger near the off-campus home in Moscow. She said she parked right next to him, and would testify accordingly"

That isn't what is in the video says. She didn't say "right" next to him, IMO or that she would testify "accordingly". How about the actual words? The transcipt on youtube has "music" in the space for when she speaks about it, so you can't see it there.

But the video bothers me because she is speaking in a manner that is not the same as if you were relaying what you had seen. I mean, at the time someone originally interviewed her for this trial, she could not possibly have known the name of the person who she saw or who owned the car she saw if she did not see a person. Wouldn't it be something if she had a picture of his car?

I find it very dubious myself. It doesn’t seem to work with the video we’ve seen, and none of this is mentioned in the PCA (I really think it would have).

 

[Ghostwheel]

I find it very dubious myself. It doesn’t seem to work with the video we’ve seen, and none of this is mentioned in the PCA (I really think it would have).

But would it need to be in the PCA? If they had enough with what they had, would they put anything more that was not needed in there? I would think not, but that is just me.

If I were to assume this is the DD driver and what is said on the video is true, it makes sense to keep the identity as quiet as possible. If this person is as represented on the tape, why would anyone want to cause her more pain if they did not have to? So not being on the PCA I can see.

As to the rest, it's the interview and manner of speaking I have issues with. It just not the same as a deposition.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I just wanted to point out that a YOUNG woman out in a college area might have considerably more issues than a middle aged woman. Unless there is something odd going on, a college area is relatively safe because the food delivery is after the party, when you have the munchies or realize you need something to soak up the alcohol. Drunk college students, in my experience, can be pretty obnoxious, but relatively safe for a woman over a certain age. JMO, of course. Everyone has to honor their own concerns, experiences and type of areas.

Meh, I think this theory assumes that danger is only based on attraction and we know it's not. Men or women, no matter the age, take risks in food delivery. That's especially true at 4 am.

That said, the economy is what it is and men and women have been taking up all kinds of second (or primary) jobs to make ends meet. That includes overnight DD. For all we know, she's a mom and chooses to do this overnight so she can spend time with her kiddos during the day. Or maybe she works a full-time job during the day and does this on the weekend nights to bring in extra cash. Or maybe it's a temporary gig to save up for something, like a house downpayment or something. People do what they need to do to survive, even if it poses risk of danger.

MOO.

 

[Megnut]

Really good analysis by GH. He has 37 seconds that could put BK and DD driver in the same place. At 3:57.

Maybe, he says, BK made DD driver uncomfortable. Waited two minutes before getting out of her car, after BK drives away (because she parked by him).

It fits with his earlier videos but fills in some gaps.

Really eerie...

The DD driver's presence explains BK's peculiar movements.


25 minutes, FYI GH protects the identity of the DD driver's identity