PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[mickey2942]

So then taking what I originally said and tweaking it a bit, Is there a way this could work where he didn't see the DD driver parked, but did see her driving. Like instead of the DD driver being PARKED next to him, she was RIGHT next to him, as in passing by within visibility range and he was parked but not out of the car or maybe nor even had the engine off yet? And as she passed by, he drove off then came back around not knowing which house she had gone to? Seems like that one would work. Still not "parked right next to each other", but could be right next to each other.

JMO, but I cannot see them being that close to each other and actually parked "right next to each other" and he still thinks it is a good idea to attack the house. But I can see a moving vehicle being something to avoid and if it's gone when you return then not an issue.

Actually, I think he was finally so high and pumped up for this, he had a laser hyper focus, and literally didn't see the surroundings. Snow blindness can reduce peripheral vision, and that includes seeing less at night. Opposite of Macualar Degeneration, that affects central acuity.

 

[Arkay]

Actually, I think he was finally so high and pumped up for this, he had a laser hyper focus, and literally didn't see the surroundings. Snow blindness can reduce peripheral vision, and that includes seeing less at night. Opposite of Macualar Degeneration, that affects central acuity.

Interesting point of view and may perhaps be accurate.

Sort of a bookend with how BK left the scene seemingly without registering DM’s presence.

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When I can, I know I will find all the details here.

 

[Karin1974]

We're waiting on the judge's order to see if he holds to the August date.

AT would like to have it start on the second Tuesday of Never.

Everyone else is ready.

JMO

IMO - If I may, you are incredibly eloquent. That’s it. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Wow.
That testimony torpedoes the defense’s “he was riding around looking at the stars” alibi. It torpedoes alternate suspects, any questions about if that’s his Elantra and pretty much everything else.
This confirms that this trial is not really about his guilt or innocence but to keep him off death row as far as AT is concerned. BK still wants the excitement of a trial.

I always felt like the State must have had an ace up their sleeve when they immediately charged the DP and haven't backed down from it. I believe they've got BK sewn up tight 9 ways to Sunday.

I also agree with you SSN, BK wants the game playing and emotional torture of others having to relive the event. I wonder how he felt about the house being torn down? Was he mad there wasn't a famous murder house left? BK has no remorse or feelings about killing Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan.

JMO

 

[mcmaffy]

I doubt the DD driver actually saw BK "in the flesh" and I don't think she literally means that she did when she says she "saw" him in that DUI interview.

If she was an eyewitness who had seen BK that night eg. in his car; exiting his car etc I think this would have been reported well before now and would likely have appeared in Court documents, including the PCA.

What seems more likely to me is that she saw BK's white Elantra park/parked near where she delivered the meal for XK. The white Elantra would have meant absolutely nothing to her on that night but later took on huge significance once she learned what had happened and was contacted by LE to tell them what she saw or heard while she was at/en route to/from the address.

Her "shorthand" expression that she "saw" BK more than likely means she saw BK's car that night parked near the address and later came to discover it was BK's car.

Imagine if she had only had a dash cam recording when she made that delivery...

 

[girlhasnoname]

I doubt the DD driver actually saw BK "in the flesh" and I don't think she literally means that she did when she says she "saw" him in that DUI interview.

If she was an eyewitness who had seen BK that night eg. in his car; exiting his car etc I think this would have been reported well before now and would likely have appeared in Court documents, including the PCA.

What seems more likely to me is that she saw BK's white Elantra park/parked near where she delivered the meal for XK. The white Elantra would have meant absolutely nothing to her on that night but later took on huge significance once she learned what had happened and was contacted by LE to tell them what she saw or heard while she was at/en route to/from the address.

Her "shorthand" expression that she "saw" BK more than likely means she saw BK's car that night parked near the address and later came to discover it was BK's car.

Imagine if she had only had a dash cam recording when she made that delivery...

Maybe she did have a dash cam? She also might have noticed a Pennsylvania tag on the back of the car. Wow, this is huge IMO if someone can place BK and his car there at the house at 4:00 am.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Today is the day of some serious Motions rulings. Judge Hammer Hippler is not going to let us down.

If AT had to wait 2+ years to present an alternate suspect and Judge Hippler thought it was lacking weight the last time, I hope he blows it out of the water. If that is the case, there won't be a Continuance granted IMO. Hoping with fingers, toes, etc. crossed.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

If LE has a witness who saw BK parked at 1122 King Road at 3:58 am, does anything AT has to say matter?

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

JMO

The sound of sweet victory, albeit quietly. Hah

 

[Megnut]

So then taking what I originally said and tweaking it a bit, Is there a way this could work where he didn't see the DD driver parked, but did see her driving. Like instead of the DD driver being PARKED next to him, she was RIGHT next to him, as in passing by within visibility range and he was parked but not out of the car or maybe nor even had the engine off yet? And as she passed by, he drove off then came back around not knowing which house she had gone to? Seems like that one would work. Still not "parked right next to each other", but could be right next to each other.

JMO, but I cannot see them being that close to each other and actually parked "right next to each other" and he still thinks it is a good idea to attack the house. But I can see a moving vehicle being something to avoid and if it's gone when you return then not an issue.

Possible but, at least the way GH depicts it, BK was parked. Then she parked. It was after his third loop, and IMO, if not for the DD driver presence at that very moment, he was preparing to enter the house. But then she parked and he drove away. He should have kept driving. Went home. Hard stop.

But he looped back quickly, was probably trying to see where the driver was going, he would have no way to know it was a DD delivery, so checking to see if the driver went into any of those homes, but also simultaneously trying not to be seen again by her.

IMO, she delivered the food in that minute or so of time when BK was driving quickly away and before his turning around and coming back. And then she drove away.

Cctv and LE's extensive plotting of the Elantra's route make extra sense now, in light of this new information.

IMO on BK's first two passes, somethings must have "encouraged" him not to stop. Lights being on, could be one thing. So his third approach, he parks, he's ready. And then an unsuspecting DD driver pulls in right next to him.

He doesn't even give up, he just drives away, watches to see where the DD driver goes (she leaves), and approaches again, the 4th time.

Does anyone know, from my last paragraph, something just hit me -- DD driver apparently said he was on the street, which I have taken to mean street parking vs parking lot. But in the street anywhere there, are there diagnonal spot, where in he could LITERALLY, be parked BESIDE her?

This witness is gold. IMO she can place BK at 1122 King at 3:58 am. And SHE might have seen him without his mask.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I doubt the DD driver actually saw BK "in the flesh" and I don't think she literally means that she did when she says she "saw" him in that DUI interview.

If she was an eyewitness who had seen BK that night eg. in his car; exiting his car etc I think this would have been reported well before now and would likely have appeared in Court documents, including the PCA.

What seems more likely to me is that she saw BK's white Elantra park/parked near where she delivered the meal for XK. The white Elantra would have meant absolutely nothing to her on that night but later took on huge significance once she learned what had happened and was contacted by LE to tell them what she saw or heard while she was at/en route to/from the address.

Her "shorthand" expression that she "saw" BK more than likely means she saw BK's car that night parked near the address and later came to discover it was BK's car.

Imagine if she had only had a dash cam recording when she made that delivery...

Depending on ambient light, she may be State's star witness, because not only can she corroborate the cctv evidence placing the Elantra at 1122 King Road at about 3:58 am, she may have seen BK himself. In the next car. Without a mask.

That is EXACTLY the sort of detail the State would save for trial. It wasn't needed for the PCA -- the PCA sufficed as written, "every day and twice on Sunday". It is gavel-down evidence!

IMO the State took every precaution to keep this information and that witness protected, and it might have stayed that way, except for the legal situation the DD driver found herself in during her later traffic, no doubt feeling it was okay to divulge that information to the police officer in the room with her.

I don't think this video was leaked. I think it was legally obtained by (social) media. It's not protected by any court order/seal because the context was her traffic stop. It had nothing to do with the BK trial. Except that she divulged the connection, and the interview was released, by FOCA.

It's still bombshell. Because it means there's even more we don't know. How well she saw him. Mask no mask. Was he there first or her? Was he driving by her slowly? Once? Twice? Was he already parked but then a minute later drive by her slowly? Was he at any point out of the car?

Plus there's all the other information. To which door she delivered. Whether she saw XP, talked to her. Did she take a confirmation photo? And what does it show?

One more thing, she was delivering food at 4 am. Likely she was aware of her surroundings, just for her own safety. If she pulls in, then realizes there is someone parked beside her (in diagonal parking spots? Or end to end), she might watch to see what that person does. Friend or foe. If he's just sitting in his car and staring, WEIRD.

Then he suddenly drives away. Probably a "whew" moment for her, gets out of her car (locks it), delivers the food, returns to her car (unlocks it) and drives away.

IMO she sinks every last one of AT's battleships.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

6/16/2025

• NewOrder Sealing States Motion to Amend Witness List and Supplement Expert Disclosures
• NewOrder Sealing Defendants Reply to States Objection to Defs Offer of Proof RE Alternate Perp
• NewOrder Sealing Defendants Reply in Support of Motion for Access

6/13/2025

• NewMotion to Seal Defendants Reply to States Objection to Defs Offer of Proof RE Alt Perpetrators
• NewMotion to Seal Defendants Reply in Support of Motion for Access

6/12/2025

• NewMotion to Seal States Motion to Amend Witness List and Supplement Expert Disclosure

6/18/2025
Hearing Scheduled (12:30 PM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

7/21/2025
CANCELED Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
Vacated

7/30/2025
Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)


8/11/2025
Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)


Watch Hearings Live

 

[SteveP]

RSBM

This witness is gold. IMO she can place BK at 1122 King at 3:58 am. And SHE might have seen him without his mask.

If this woman's claims about seeing BK at the King Road house, when she arrived to make a DD delivery, are even partly true, and I believe that they are, she may be the second most important witness in this case, and will surely be called to testify at trial. Having said that, I hope that the state spends a lot of time with her, preparing her for it. Based on the video we have seen of her now, from Sept, 2024, and learning some things about her, I fear that, if she is not well-prepped, and practiced, the defense will go after her with everything they can, in an effort to break her down, to cast her as a troubled, unreliable witness, with a history of driving while under the influence, who is either mistaken about what she saw, or lying. She is going to need all of the strength she can muster, to tell her truths about what she saw that morning. JMO

 

[Megnut]

If this woman's claims about seeing BK at the King Road house, when she arrived to make a DD delivery, are even partly true, and I believe that they are, she may be the second most important witness in this case, and will surely be called to testify at trial. Having said that, I hope that the state spends a lot of time with her, preparing her for it. Based on the video we have seen of her now, from Sept, 2024, and learning some things about her, I fear that, if she is not well-prepped, and practiced, the defense will go after her with everything they can, in an effort to break her down, to cast her as a troubled, unreliable witness, with a history of driving when under the influence, who is either mistaken about what she saw, or lying. She is going to need all of the strength she can muster, to tell her truths about what she saw that morning. JMO

All of that.

With nothing to gain by lying. Yes, human lives are often messy, but it's especially poignant to note the timing in the interview -- she's talking about the stressors and pain on her life. This process, being there, seeing BK, IMO is a life trauma and that is why she shared it, in the safety and "privacy" of the interview room.

AT can try to exploit that but it won't work.

The testimony of this witness will be solidly backed up by cameras and timestamps, it'll correspond exactly to evidence of the Elantra's movements and will, in fact, explain them.

BK slaughtered innocent victims in their own homes, many in their own beds which is an assault on them and an assault on everyone. If we can't be safe in our beds, we can't be safe.

Three of his victims, women.

It is not lost on me that he's is going to be brought down by women, particularly DM and the DD driver. Taken down, taken down hard.

Kick boxed, done and dusted.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

If this woman's claims about seeing BK at the King Road house, when she arrived to make a DD delivery, are even partly true, and I believe that they are, she may be the second most important witness in this case, and will surely be called to testify at trial. Having said that, I hope that the state spends a lot of time with her, preparing her for it. Based on the video we have seen of her now, from Sept, 2024, and learning some things about her, I fear that, if she is not well-prepped, and practiced, the defense will go after her with everything they can, in an effort to break her down, to cast her as a troubled, unreliable witness, with a history of driving when under the influence, who is either mistaken about what she saw, or lying. She is going to need all of the strength she can muster, to tell her truths about what she saw that morning. JMO

The defense will certainly do that but the jury decides if the witness sounds credible or not. I trust juries wading thru the BS defense lawyers sometimes can shovel out.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Is the hearing today going to be streamed?
If it is, who is streaming it?

 

[Megnut]

Is the hearing today going to be streamed?
If it is, who is streaming it?

Courtroom feed. Guessing all the regulars will stream it, the open part, that is.

 

[SteveP]

Is the hearing today going to be streamed?
If it is, who is streaming it?

I am sure there will be others streaming it as well, but you will find it here, scheduled to start at 12:30 MDT. I have noticed that they never seem to start on time, so be patient while you wait.

Idaho Fourth District Court

www.youtube.com

 

[MassGuy]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/061625+Defendants+Reply+to+the+States+Opposition+to+Defendants+Motion+to+Continue.pdf

 

[CLGM]

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With nothing to gain by lying. Yes, human lives are often messy, but it's especially poignant to note the timing in the interview -- she's talking about the stressors and pain on her life. This process, being there, seeing BK, IMO is a life trauma and that is why she shared it, in the safety and "privacy" of the interview room.
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Can you imagine having been there at the same time and place as this brutal murderer? I know it would haunt me forever, so many aspects of it. And she's been in her head since November 2022. I feel for this woman so much -- no one would want to find themselves in the middle of this and to be under this amount of pressure. I hope that she is being cared for, and I have no doubt that she will be prepped and protected to the best of their ability (and that it hasn't come out until now might be a testament to that). Also, how did it happen to come out? How did it turn up on that youTube channel?

 

[CLGM]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/061625+Defendants+Reply+to+the+States+Opposition+to+Defendants+Motion+to+Continue.pdf

AT has presented their arguments the best that she could. Without evaluating the cases she cites in any way, on its face, the speed with which a capital case is coming to trial compared to other cases might be a strong enough argument for the judge to take a conservative approach and allow for additional delay (even if her arguments are weak). IMO MOO

My gut response when reading the motion however is: well, if he didn't want all the media and attention and victim's friends and families speaking publicly and a trial and capital murder charges, maybe he shouldn't have committed these heinous crimes!! Seems pretty straightforward. IMO MOO