Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/11-14 ~weekend~

[Hope4More]

Dang it. I thought for sure their headline would be "Arias trial: Taxpayer-paid cougarluscious illegally leaks info to azcentral reporter"

Good morning! Yah, me too. Or at least, "AzCentral reporter concedes improper involvement in ongoing circus trial," lead quote: "reporters are supposed to cover news, not create it."

He's mighty consistent in his bias, isn't he? Doesn't he have editors? Is that paper considered just a tabloid rag?

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Good morning! I am looking forward to the 3-day trial weekend so I can clear my head of all the malarkey spewed by KN in his closing yesterday. I read everything here and the BK postings.

Juan was very sharp in his closing, IMHO. Nurmi threw everything and Nancy Grace against the wall, venting his personal anger. Juan only responded to one or two, IIRC.

The biggest one, again, :moo:, was to counter the "leaks" by Mrs. Flores (which never saw light of day) he used Ms. Luscious/Liscious ultra- secret twitter account and Kiefer's leaks. IMHO, those make no difference to the judge, except that I'm sure she's very aware of them.

At least Nurmi gave Juan the opportunity to get this on the record.

 

[thefragile7393]

These are the days of our lives...

 

[daisydomino]

I mean, you're right. But I doubt Juan would have been looking for such a thing at that point in time. This was the DT's baby, he was just there to observe, thus Flores' testimony that he just sat in the corner taking notes and the investigator's testimony that he never saw Juan touching the computer. The defense are the ones who wanted to see it for their own reasons. I can't imagine what reason Juan would have to jump in and start doing some snooping of his own then, just for the heck of it. The idea that he just sat taking notes sounds way more accurate. If he ever was interested in the photos on Travis' computer, in general not just pornographic ones (and I can't imagine his goal would ever be to target naked pics of Jodi) he would have had an expert look for that stuff. He wouldn't be looking himself. And he wouldn't have looked through the actual computer.

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head in another post when you—and a few other sleuths, too—said that this defense can turn anything into dirty sex. It doesn't have anything to do with his motion or anything, he just throws it in because Nurmi.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

"The mitigation specialist compiles a comprehensive and well-document psycho-social history of the client based on an exhaustive investigation; analyzes the significance of the information in terms of impact on development, including effect on personality and behavior; finds mitigating themes in the client’s life history; identifies the need for expert assistance; assists in locating appropriate experts; provides social history information to experts to enable them to conduct competent and reliable evaluations; and works with the defense team and experts to develop a comprehensive and cohesive case in mitigation." http://www.tonymosslaw.com/mitigation-consulting/what-does-a-mitigation-specialist-do

Maria has done the following:

1. Giggles and gossips with Arias in court. Smuggles contraband.
2. Leaks sealed information to a pro-defense reporter aka Keifer.

:seeya: Hi rose,

Adding:

3. On social media - in particular Twitter - defending and spewing lies about her BFF, CMJA.

It would be interesting to see IF she was tweeting while in the courtroom, and would like to know what other social media accounts she is on spewing lies.

Also, would like to know IF she runs CMJA's "blog" and IF she runs CMJA's art sales.

:gaah:


:seeya: Good Morning, Y'all !

 

[Dmacky]

Meanwhile Wilma's still looking for that darn sim card :smile:

 

[krkrjx]

So way back at the start of this ridiculous hearing, Nurmi accused Juan of gross prosecutorial misconduct, alleging that he signed out the electronic evidence and tampered with it, secretly deleting thousands of porn files. He wanted Juan to be disbarred, fired and possibly charged criminally. Flores too as his accomplice.

So where are we now? Nurmi now says ' Ok, there was one instance of child porn, maybe, and it might have been from the computer virus--but it was because Flores used his evil pencil to awaken the computer, in front of the DT team..'

We have dropped a long way from the original vile accusations that brought about this silly hearing. And still, Nurmi asks for all the charges to be dropped...because Nurmi says Travis had a virus on his computer that infected it with porn, and NEITHER of the computer experts picked up on it at the start. :no:

This ^

I gotta say I hope I am wrong about this judge and that she has a better head on her shoulders than what I have recently given her credit for. I think if she has the smarts that some on this board believe she has, this case could get back on track.

Hopefully JSS will see the forest from the trees and deny this motion, and then disallow any further references to porn on the computer unless it can be shown to be relevant. To me, relevant means it has to be child porn and user accessed--not just nude photos (which probably would not meet the legal definition of porn) or a result of those malicious bugs that can and do worm their way in just by virtue of the computer having online access.

This whole misconduct issue should be done with now, IMO. I think for Arias and Co., it never will be but that is beside the point...she can appeal anything she desires after her sentencing and let the proper venue sort things out.

Also, the references in closing about Maria in social media and Arias's public interviews confused me a bit but then I recalled that in the motion JM has been accused of being in the media spotlight, signing autographs, posing for photos with his "fans" and so on. I think he needed to address those accusations as they were part of it all. Unfortunately, a lot is missed when we must rely on tweets for what happened in court. I do not mind occasional tweeters' commentary but too much of it is frustrating when I want to know what is actually said by all parties in court.

 

[Marshmallow]

I think Mr Nurmi shot his own foot with his demands and accusations yesterday. He opened the door for finger pointing and the fingers point back to his crack team of lawyers, reporters and mitigators. oooops.

 

[ElleElle]

:seeya: Oh wow... what a coincidence ... lol !

And how lucky for MK that he was not there.

Yes, his article on today's hearing was the expected pro-defense slant . . .

:gaah:

As much as Kiefer appears to be bias, I think he is anti DP more than anything.

 

[MeeBee]

As much as Kiefer appears to be bias, I think he is anti DP more than anything.

I think he's anti-state. I think he fancies himself a State whistleblower cloaked in the guise of a neutral journalist. And I think, to him, Juan Martinez represents everything wrong with the law and order in Phoenix. But there are actual prosecutors out there doing wrong and Juan isn't one of them. Nothing in his record amounts to a pattern of misconduct or anything criminal, far as I've seen. MK is just a bully.

 

[MeeBee]

This ^

I gotta say I hope I am wrong about this judge and that she has a better head on her shoulders than what I have recently given her credit for. I think if she has the smarts that some on this board believe she has, this case could get back on track.

Hopefully JSS will see the forest from the trees and deny this motion, and then disallow any further references to porn on the computer unless it can be shown to be relevant. To me, relevant means it has to be child porn and user accessed--not just nude photos (which probably would not meet the legal definition of porn) or a result of those malicious bugs that can and do worm their way in just by virtue of the computer having online access.

This whole misconduct issue should be done with now, IMO. I think for Arias and Co., it never will be but that is beside the point...she can appeal anything she desires after her sentencing and let the proper venue sort things out.

Also, the references in closing about Maria in social media and Arias's public interviews confused me a bit but then I recalled that in the motion JM has been accused of being in the media spotlight, signing autographs, posing for photos with his "fans" and so on. I think he needed to address those accusations as they were part of it all. Unfortunately, a lot is missed when we must rely on tweets for what happened in court. I do not mind occasional tweeters' commentary but too much of it is frustrating when I want to know what is actually said by all parties in court.

BBM: It's more in direct response to accusations of prosecutorial misconduct due to Mrs. Flores discussing sealed information in twitter. He's a prosecutor, these are defense attorneys, he's used to the shenanigans. And I'm glad he didn't feel a need to justify himself on certain things. But they just keep poking and so he finally took an opportunity to call out the hypocrisy. It's one thing, maybe for Flores to discuss sealed with his wife and for her to (very misguidedly) share those things in private with someone she (naively) thought she could trust (in PRIVATE, we'd never know what she was saying if the defense hadn't put in them in their motion for all to see...) But it's another for a member of the defense team to actively share sealed information with certain people with an agenda, including the most recent leak about juror #3. Maybe one isn't worse than the other, maybe it is, but it's hypocrisy. Juan actually did call them out on this before but he was much more vague.

It's also hypocrisy to whine about the media's presence but then seek them out when something they want something that's beneficial to them to be made public. Or embrace them when they praise you, like Nurmi posting Monica Lindstrom's (hyperbolic) article about him being a new power player in the trial.

And what gall they have to blame him for Jodi doing interviews after her conviction. Did he even know they were happening? So stupid...

 

[krkrjx]

I read the opinion from the AZ Court of Appeals. It was disturbing that they only used the misconduct by the Detective and they did NOT consider if Debra Milke was guilty!! That was scary to read this. MO But I know that is the way the law is used.

It is not disturbing when you consider they only look at what is being appealed. She was appealing misconduct by LE because she felt it played a huge role in her being found guilty.

I do not know if Milke is guilty or not...only that her case over two decades ago was not proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt. For her to be found guilty in spite of no actual evidence and then receiving the death penalty! is what I find disturbing.

But most disturbing of all is right now, in a current trial, Milke's case being used as a stepping stone for leniency for a cold-blooded killer who clearly premeditated a heinous crime against a man who, by all evidence I have seen, treated her a lot better than she treated him.

 

[Hope4More]

I think he's anti-state. I think he fancies himself a State whistleblower cloaked in the guise of a neutral journalist. And I think, to him, Juan Martinez represents everything wrong with the law and order in Phoenix. But there are actual prosecutors out there doing wrong and Juan isn't one of them. Nothing in his record amounts to a pattern of misconduct or anything criminal, far as I've seen. MK is just a bully.

A bully who loves the drama of being an insider. Who doesn't care if his scoops are untruths or half truths leaked by unethical defense team members, because true or untrue, they make him a hero in his own mind. Ugh.

 

[Hope4More]

Have a good weekend, fellow sleuthers....See you here Monday.

 

[TexMex]

Troy Hayden talking about how much JA enjoys people looking at her and listening to her. Also asking JA about doing interviews. The DEFENSE told her to be cautious. They clearly were not happy about her media tour.
How in the world could KN blame JM for JA doing interviews? Crazy




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v95JCpB1J18&feature=youtu.be

It's clearly Juan's fault. If it were not for The Prosecutor shedding light on her actions and words (killing and lying) then she would not have to give interviews where she must correct the record and sanitize Her Reputation.

 

[krkrjx]

BBM: It's more in direct response to accusations of prosecutorial misconduct due to Mrs. Flores discussing sealed information in twitter. He's a prosecutor, these are defense attorneys, he's used to the shenanigans. And I'm glad he didn't feel a need to justify himself on certain things. But they just keep poking and so he finally took an opportunity to call out the hypocrisy. It's one thing, maybe for Flores to discuss sealed with his wife and for her to (very misguidedly) share those things in private with someone she (naively) thought she could trust (in PRIVATE, we'd never know what she was saying if the defense hadn't put in them in their motion for all to see...) But it's another for a member of the defense team to actively share sealed information with certain people with an agenda, including the most recent leak about juror #3. Maybe one isn't worse than the other, maybe it is, but it's hypocrisy. Juan actually did call them out on this before but he was much more vague.

It's also hypocrisy to whine about the media's presence but then seek them out when something they want something that's beneficial to them to be made public. Or embrace them when they praise you, like Nurmi posting Monica Lindstrom's (hyperbolic) article about him being a new power player in the trial.

And what gall they have to blame him for Jodi doing interviews after her conviction. Did he even know they were happening? So stupid...

Yup, I know now that JM had to address everything as he did.

Sometimes I am a few minutes behind the action in this trial by tweet nonsense. I admit that i often miss valuable information mostly because I am AFK more than I want to be so I usually skim over what looks like tweeter opinion/commentary. However, I am comforted by the fact that before long WSers will fill me in on anything I missed. TY to all for that!

 

[geevee]

Trying to understand the technical aspects a bit. So, at the first trial both experts testified about TA's computer. I recently posted my notes:


So, now Nurmi argues that there are all these porn "hits" or "sites" or something despite both experts testifying there was no porn, no filesharing, no porn hits from internet history. It sounds like these were found in the Registry which is very different from the history. The Registry would store info on all kinds of things including viruses and malware that cause redirection to other websites. So, the registry contains history of non-user directed actions.

I looked for info from 2008. There were a lot of those fake pop-ups back then that said your computer was infected, that you needed an update, etc and if you clicked on it you downloaded the virus. Apparently MySpace was a huge source of virus/malware and TA used it. Info also said Internet Explorer was the worst for malware-not sure which browser he used. It's also common to get malware when you download bundled "freeware" and you're not careful to "uncheck" all the extras it will give you and I believe there was testimony that TA had these types of free security programs.



http://www.nashvillecomputerguru.com/knowledge-base/malware-virus-removal/

So, all of these "hits" were from non-user directed action found in the registry. I don't know how anything found like that could ever be associated with any person as there is no evidence of any affirmative human action and thus could never meet any evidentiary standards I've aware of. And I assume that's why none of this registry "evidence" was ever presented by either expert at the first trial.

CAVEAT: I could be completely wrong about any or all of this as I am not much of a geek-sorry.

Good synopsis and conclusion Boytwnmom, I don't see how anything found in the registry of his laptop could be of evidentiary value, the computer wasn't password protected and he had roommates (and JA) in his house when he wasn't home, and it was a pre-owned computer, there's no way to tie any activity or registry entry on that computer to him. They do know it had viruses/malware and many of them load porn and fake 'cleaners' onto a computer and redirect to other sites, the whole thing is a red herring to raise issues that in my mind don't exist. Nurmi would love to be able to bedazzle the jury with balderdash over this, I'm hopeful the judge can see through it and simply deny this motion, there is no prosecution misconduct here and that's all she really needs to see, imo.

I wouldn't mind seeing the courts getting a little more geekified though, when someone testifies that they have blood at the scene but not enough dna to tie it to anyone, the court understand what that means, same with a hard drive, you have registry entries but it doesn't necessarily point to any individual in particular, these sorts of computer issues shouldn't be as much of a mystery as they still seem to be. Anyhow, good job, I always enjoy reading your posts.

 

[geevee]

Yes, in the Tekeka Patrick case hundreds of deleted tweets were recovered by WSers. Deleted definitely doesn't mean gone.

Peoplebrowsr, I believe is the name of it, probably findable by google.

 

[LaLaw2000]

So many people are getting worn down by this ridiculous, filthy trial and penalty phase. IMO, this is what Nurmi wants. I think this has been his plan all along. He wants to wear down Travis' family to the point where they just cannot take any more and ask Juan to just let JSS sentence her. The Alexander's have hung in so far and I believe they are going to see this through to the bitter end. I wish them all the strength in the world. I couldn't have held out this long or I would have been in jail for physically attacking Nurmi, Willmont, CMJA, and Cougarwhatever.

What a sad, sad course of events playing out in one of our courtrooms. A murderer gets all the consideration and the victim none. The victim's family get no respect except from Juan and Det. Flores. The jurors get no respect for their time and efforts except (from Juan) a tiny grimace meant to be a sort of smile from the judge. I honestly think this judge has placed herself on a pedestal and acts as if she is better than anyone else. I don't like her and have not liked her for a very long time. I do not apologize for it either.

I could choose to not read about this travesty but I want to see this murderer get sentenced. I want her carted off to Perryville and begin her punishment. She will soon see that her 'diva' days are over. It just cannot happen soon enough for me.

GB each of the Alexanders and give them strength.

I hope everyone has a great weekend!

MOO

 

[Harmony 2]

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