Skyline Groundskeeper says he saw no white truck -Timeline Clarified

[tfrohning]

I noticed in this article the groundskeeper says he saw children come out of the back door?where is the back door?What's inside that back door?The gym?what?It doesn't look like the gym areaWas an adult with them?Did it look like 2 girls and a man?Someone they thought was a chaperone?Where are the plants these kids saw?Where did these children go after that?The playground where.I really hope they are looking hard at this.They need to talk to this guy more.Was anyone else with this guy this morning when he mowed the lawn?

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(I) noticed that there was some children that came out the back door, and I thought, ‘please don’t come down and play soccer.’ But they came out and looked at some plants that were in the raised bed.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html

Uhmm another question did anyone see him and his truck? I don't see how his truck could be mistaking for Terri if he had a trailer on the back.

Which bring up DD truck (I not sure if she had a truck or car) If is was a truck she had that for gardening work makes me wonder if she also would have a trailer on the back.:waitasec:

 

[Chablis]

Respectfully, please re-read his statement.He makes it very clear that he could not have missed a pick up truck,had it been parked there. And, IMO, HE was there that morning,and WE were not... And I'm not sure how sarcasm will help us figure out what happened to Kyron....

All JMO

I dont think anyone of us here discussing the case on a message board is going to figure this out until Terri Horman tells the truth. And the fact is, he had other things to do that day, the truck didnt have to be parked there for an hour, it could have been a matter of 30 seconds, the cops really didn't tell us, so yes, things can be missed, his job was not to monitor the road like a guard, he did have other things he was doing that day, there is a possibility the car could have been parked there for a very short time and he missed it.

 

[Geralyn]

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(I) noticed that there was some children that came out the back door, and I thought, ‘please don’t come down and play soccer.’ But they came out and looked at some plants that were in the raised bed.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html

Hi, Ms. S. This part concerns me too. Were there other times early in the morning when kids just came out and played soccer while waiting for class to start? Did they do this without supervision and why would he even think this, if it had never happened before? This part is kind of disturbing to me, but perhaps LE has verified that they were supervised and we just are not being told. I hope so anyway.[/QUOTE]

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It IS concerning. I find this reporting to be lacking because the follow up question is so obvious...yet to our knowledge, reporter didn't ask. But, like you, we have to hope that LE has already covered all of that ground. I just happen to think if a reporter/media is going to go on record with a crucial witness like this...they shouldn't be so casual with it. jmo

 

[Chablis]

" She's saying she was there " TH is saying she parked on that access road ? Wow, do you have a link for that ??? TIA

All JMO

I think you need to reread my post, never did I say she puts herself at the access road, I am talking about the school in general, I think its common knowledge she places herself at the school that day, so please dont twist my words.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Uhmm another question did anyone see him and his truck? I don't see how his truck could be mistaking for Terri if he had a trailer on the back.

Which bring up DD truck (I not sure if she had a truck or car) If is was a truck she had that for gardening work makes me wonder if she also would have a trailer on the back.:waitasec:

Hmmmm.Didn't Mr Kelley or the other witness at 3:00 or around 2:00 that morning see a truck with a camper trailer on it not far from the school at that time?

 

[Geralyn]

Originally Posted by liz b. View Post
Wow.. It seems pretty conclusive that there was not a white truck parked on that access road. The groundskeeper would surely have seen it....
All JMO
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To my way of thinking...it seems pretty conclusive that there was a white truck on the access road...at least twice. However...its the GK truck I'm referring to. As to how the two trucks could be mistaken for each other...well, if the tip came in 2 months after the fact, could easily have just been reported as "I saw a white truck there". Because LE used the 4-door Horman version on their pictures..does not necessarily mean that the tip was described that way, imo.

 

[rosiebean]

Respectfully, please re-read his statement.He makes it very clear that he could not have missed a pick up truck,had it been parked there. And, IMO, HE was there that morning,and WE were not... And I'm not sure how sarcasm will help us figure out what happened to Kyron....

All JMO

Rereading his quote:

“It would be impossible for me to either enter the field or exit the field if there was a car parked on the gravel road itself,” he said. “And then while exiting the roadway, if there was somebody parked that close to that hillside, it would have made it difficult for me to see who's coming down the hill (on Skyline Boulevard), I mean it would seem to me like I would have remembered, ‘Oh gee yeah,’ there was a big white truck in my way when I left that day. I would say I'm certain that it wasn't there.”

He's saying the truck wasn't there when he entered or when he left. He says nothing about it possibly being there in between those times. I'm sure he's correct that had it been parked there when he entered or left, he'd have noticed it. I'm not so sure if it pulled up in between and was briefly parked that he'd have noticed it.

 

[Jo in Calif]

IMO he is not a grounds keeper that stays at the school for any length of time, IMO, his job is to mow the soccer field, on his riding mower, on the back of his trailer and leave the school. He stated he was done by 8:30, saw no truck. IMO that truck, Kaine's, could have easily have been moved after he left. I still don't see how this makes LE look like they don't know what they are doing. IMO this didn't blow any holes in the time line they are trying to establish.

 

[Geralyn]

Originally Posted by liz b. View Post
Wow.. It seems pretty conclusive that there was not a white truck parked on that access road. The groundskeeper would surely have seen it....
All JMO
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To my way of thinking...it seems pretty conclusive that there was a white truck on the access road...at least twice. However...its the GK truck I'm referring to. Once to open the chain..once to close it. As to how the two trucks could be mistaken for each other...well, if the tip came in 2 months after the fact, could easily have just been reported as "I saw a white truck there". Because LE used the 4-door Horman version on their pictures..does not necessarily mean that the tip was described that way, imo.

 

[liz b.]

She cold have parked in the parking lot, she said she LEFT at 8:45 so she could not have been parked on the road the groundskeeper was using. That blows that theory, so are we back to wondering if anyone parked in the parking lot parked next to Terris truck and/or saw another adult in the truck wile Terri was in the school?

abbie

But,IIRC, didn't TH say that she parked in front of the school ? Not in the parking lot.Not on the access road ?

All JMO

 

[Geralyn]

But,IIRC, didn't TH say that she parked in front of the school ? Not in the parking lot.Not on the access road ?

All JMO

Where are you recalling TH saying where she parked at all?tia

 

[ami]

If Kyron is never found?

Houze: The State has built their case against my client based upon unreliable witness accounts, sheer speculation, media bias and questionnaires available online to any number of well-intentioned, *helpful* but misinformed souls wishing to download the forms for themselves. Next!

Actually LE hasn't told us ANYthing about why they wanted the information about the parking places. "Witness or witnesses" have placed a white truck in points A and B - what if they were checking out Terri's alibi and SHE claimed to be parked there? LE hasn't even called Terri a POI - they are for all we know just verifying or disproving her own alibi.

We don't know what their evidence is, if they're at this moment combing through loose ends, or if this is the one last thing they're trying to verify/ or even disprove... At this point *our* speculation is that they want this info because they want to pin Terri to the access road, but in reality we have no idea.

 

[Geralyn]

IMO he is not a grounds keeper that stays at the school for any length of time, IMO, his job is to mow the soccer field, on his riding mower, on the back of his trailer and leave the school. He stated he was done by 8:30, saw no truck. IMO that truck, Kaine's, could have easily have been moved after he left. I still don't see how this makes LE look like they don't know what they are doing. IMO this didn't blow any holes in the time line they are trying to establish.

I couldn't agree with you more. As well, the GK says <paraphrasing> "..it seems to me I'd recall a thing like that (truck parked there).." Its not exactly a definitive statement, although I do agree that he'd likely recall such a thing. Just isn't concrete..even according to himself.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

But,IIRC, didn't TH say that she parked in front of the school ? Not in the parking lot.Not on the access road ?

All JMO

That's what I thought I read somewhere.she parked in front of the school.Not on the access road.

 

[21merc7]

I am not questioning the Grounds Keeper, but I bet he is being questioned now! I would think LE wants to know about this, the children going outside, and I would bet Houze's investigators want to talk with him too.

 

[Etilema]

We have to be careful, because we have been firmly warned not to hint at the groundskeeper as a suspect.

 

[liz b.]

QUOTE=rosiebean;5515479]Rereading his quote:

“It would be impossible for me to either enter the field or exit the field if there was a car parked on the gravel road itself,” he said. “And then while exiting the roadway, if there was somebody parked that close to that hillside, it would have made it difficult for me to see who's coming down the hill (on Skyline Boulevard), I mean it would seem to me like I would have remembered, ‘Oh gee yeah,’ there was a big white truck in my way when I left that day. I would say I'm certain that it wasn't nthere.”

He's saying the truck wasn't there when he entered or when he left. He says nothing about it possibly being there in between those times. I'm sure he's correct that had it been parked there when he entered or left, he'd have noticed it. I'm not so sure if it pulled up in between and was briefly parked that he'd have noticed it.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but he would have been able to see her parking the truck,IMO. And he doesn't say that....

All JMO

 

[daisy7]

If there is ever again one HINT that the groundskeeper was involved in Kyron going missing, a Time Out will be given. No warnings.

Continue on.

Bumping Kimster's post for the morning crew.

 

[grandmaj]

If there is ever again one HINT that the groundskeeper was involved in Kyron going missing, a Time Out will be given. No warnings.

Continue on.

bump........

 

[Donjeta]

or is this guy the person and the truck "some" witnesses have come forward and reported seeing???? if I was a parent who had attended the SF on June 4th 10 weeks later I would still be racking my brain going over ad over the events of that morning at Skyline. It is possible some parents had recently thought hey I remember seeing a white truck on the access road that morning when I was pulling up, then go and report that to LE. I probably wouldn't remember there was a trailer attached but I would remember there was someone in or around that truck and I might not be able to describe the person I saw but I'd sure be able to say at this point if it was or was not TH. This may be just what LE is trying to clear up right now, did you see a suspicious person hanging out in the Horman truck? or did you see the guy who mows the lawn getting in or out of his truck that morning??

I think I might remember seeing a trailer better than seeing a truck because there were lots of vehicles of different color and types but probably just one trailer with a tractor on it. It stands out more than a random parked vehicle.

Anyone counting on 15 minutes for an abduction is certainly not a planning kind of person. What if the the guy had a nose bleed, or had trouble with the mower or one of another gazillion things that could go wrong when on school grounds?

Who would abduct a child with only 15 minutes lee way time without considering the 15 minutes could dwindle to zero - certainly not someone who was supposed to have planned this for months. moo

*Snip* Assuming Terri did it and assuming she planned it in advance... She might have known how long it usually takes for the lawn man to finish his job and go if she paid particular attention. But unless he mows the field there regularly every Friday morning I'm not sure that Terri would have known he'd be there while planning. He could very well have been the unforeseen factor. It happens to the brightest of criminals and they get by, sometimes they have to abandon their original plan. We don't know if there was a plan B in case there was a guy mowing the lawn or somebody else in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm not sure where you get the 15 minutes leeway figure. Was there something that dictated that it had to be done before some exact time? Are you thinking she wanted to be done before 8:45 and the final bell?

I just don't think that LE is this inept that they would overlook someone who was outside the school mowing the same day a child disappears from that school. At that point in time everyone at that school would be a suspect. No stone would have been left unturned to find out who was there that fateful day. jmo

I sincerely hope not... Because LE wasn't very observant if they didn't notice that the field was freshly mowed when they were searching there, and the science fair participants may not have been very good eye witnesses if none of them noticed a big truck and trailer and a man mowing the soccerfield and no one told LE about it. So, if they all missed that, what else did they miss? It begins to look like anyone could have walked out with a little boy unnoticed because it takes just a minute or two and the turf technician (love the title!) was there for 45 minutes.

I agree.

That this man saw kids come out on that side of the school is chilling, IMO.

I think the school is going to end up having to answer to a lot, when this is all said and done.

It sounds to me like the kids were made to go there by one or more adults because there was something sciencey in the flowerbeds. Looking at some raised beds just doesn't sound like the sort of thing that a group of elementary school kids would get in their heads to do if they run out of the school on their own, unsupervised. IMO. If he'd said that they were running or playing I'd be more worried.

I understood his quote to mean that he could not possibly have missed it if it were parked there when he was entering or leaving. Because he would not have been able to get past them. He also said he would definitely have noticed a truck parked in that spot in the shoulder near the opening of the access road, because it would have blocked his view of traffic when he was trying to pull out.

So what he rules out is that there was no white truck or any other vehicle there at 7:45 or at 8:30?