Skyline Groundskeeper says he saw no white truck -Timeline Clarified

[wenwe4]

Yes, but it's probably just me being anal retentive, because I also want to be there to be sure they do it 'right', although I've no idea what 'right' would be, having absolutely no knowledge of, or experience with, searching.

oh BeanE, you sound just like my husband . . . . there is only one right way to do anything and that would be HIS way! I continue to repeat my mantra . . . "There are many paths to the top of the mountain!" He just replies, "Whatever".

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

Can you describe those 19 trucks please? Their drivers? Any passengers? Distinguishing marks, stickers, rims, etc. Ok, you're probably not the best person to ask! But, my point is, you were looking out for them and that was this morning.
I have real concerns that what people saw 2 months ago is seriously hazy at this point and if they could get a standard cab service truck with a trailer hooked to it confused with a 4 door truck with no trailer, that maybe the info is not all that reliable?

Agree entirely, sarx. Which is why I am firing my lawn guy. There's just no way to be sure......

Although I will say that before I stopped counting there were 11 Fords(3 duellys, 5 double cabs) 9 Chevy's (3 double cabs, 1 duelly) 2 Nissans, and 5 that I missed the make/model on. But ya know. I was counting. And I get paid to observe. Without the luxury of all of the above? I could maybe say that 2 months ago I probably saw a bunch of white trucks go by on our very heavily traveled rural highway.

 

[1Chump]

IMO, it is a case of too many cooks in the kitchen with a recipe for tunnel vision

IMO, the Turf Tech gave a statement shortly after Kyron disappeared to an investitgator. Recently, a witness or two came forward with information that TH's truck was seen on the access road. Most likely, the Turf Tech's white truck was seen. The witnesses remembered the white truck then jumped to the conclusion that it was TH's. A different investigator who was not aware of the Turf Tech spoke took the statement(s) on the white truck.

IMO, the investigators had the "smoking gun" that fit with their thoery of what they believed happened. They had 'witnesses" to suppor how TH was able to get Kyron out of the school without being seen, ie the side door to the truck. But also proof that DeDe helped her because the truck was "moved" when TH and Kyron were inside the school. In their excitement, they forgot all about the Turf Tech or the investigator who interviewed the Turf Tech was not let in on the "smoking gun."

IMO, they jumped the gun at the presser asking for more witnesses to help shore up their theory. They even included staged photos to help people remember. The Turf Tech is just a reminder to them. A reminder that in their excitement of getting evidence that fit their theory, they forgot to check or "other" explanations.

IMO, the tunnel vision on their theory may be the most damaging to finding Kyron or justice for Kyron. Too many times in investigations, the investigators make up their mind what they believe happen. They look for evidence to support their theory and jump on any that does. Just like they did with the white truck. But in the process, they will disregard potential evidence that does not fit their theory. That evidence would lead them to the truth. But they are so attached to their theory that they miss what is right in front of them.

I hope I am wrong in this case.

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

Yes, but it's probably just me being anal retentive, because I also want to be there to be sure they do it 'right', although I've no idea what 'right' would be, having absolutely no knowledge of, or experience with, searching.

Sometimes being anal retentive is what's needed to do a search 'right.'

I do think they have re-searched the school with HRD dogs. But I totally understand where you're coming from.

 

[krowdkat]

Seems to me that LE's theory isn't completely developed otherwise they wouldn't be passing out new flyers with staged photos of white truck at numerous locations this week. Plus the fact that the GJ is now involved with over 100 subpeonies sent out. With thousands of tips pouring in and no evidence that Kryon is deceased the Prosecution and LE have ALL the time in the world to fact find and theorize. And to follow every lead that comes in. No rush to judgement here, IMHO.

 

[cluciano63]

I think they would have "all the time in the world" if they knew Kyron was deceased...not if they are not sure. If he could be alive somewhere, that does not allow for all the time in the world to talk about truck-parking. Their actions do not reflect any kind of belief that he is alive.

 

[human]

First we heard that Terri left Kyron walking down the hall at Skyline at 8:45.

Then in her email she says she left at 9 am. So which is it?

If it was 8:45, what was she doing for 15 mins at the school?

 

[cypress]

First we heard that Terri left Kyron walking down the hall at Skyline at 8:45.

Then in her email she says she left at 9 am. So which is it?

If it was 8:45, what was she doing for 15 mins at the school?

I'm all for being as precise as possible, but we're talking about 15 minutes. IMHO, 15 minutes isn't the smoking gun in this case. There is reasonable information that shows she was somewhere else, shopping, complete with a receipt, shortly after 9:00 a.m. There are plenty of times when I'm talking about times and whatnot, I'll round up or down. If it's around the thirty minute mark, I'm likely to be more precise, but after that, I tend to round.

 

[Geralyn]

First we heard that Terri left Kyron walking down the hall at Skyline at 8:45.

Then in her email she says she left at 9 am. So which is it?

If it was 8:45, what was she doing for 15 mins at the school?

But hasn't it been established that (at least by herself) she couldn't' have left the school at 9am, made it to the first FM, got baby out of carseat..looked for medicine that wasn't available..bought whatever..and check out...all within 12 minutes? (when she says check out receipt is clocked for?). So even tho her email says 9am...I think she was either lying or rounding up to that source.

 

[Geralyn]

I'm all for being as precise as possible, but we're talking about 15 minutes. IMHO, 15 minutes isn't the smoking gun in this case. There is reasonable information that shows she was somewhere else, shopping, complete with a receipt, shortly after 9:00 a.m. There are plenty of times when I'm talking about times and whatnot, I'll round up or down. If it's around the thirty minute mark, I'm likely to be more precise, but after that, I tend to round.

Right, I just posted at the same time about the rounding. And thats possible. I would respectfully disagree about the 15 minutes not being crucial however...IF thats the time frame she had to perhaps move a vehicle and get Kyron out of school and into her vehicle. I guess what I'm saying is...she could have left the first time at 8:45...but hadn't really left altogether?

 

[debs]

But hasn't it been established that (at least by herself) she couldn't' have left the school at 9am, made it to the first FM, got baby out of carseat..looked for medicine that wasn't available..bought whatever..and check out...all within 12 minutes? (when she says check out receipt is clocked for?). So even tho her email says 9am...I think she was either lying or rounding up to that source.

Or she tried to do what we're doing in the other direction: Look at the receipt, see it time stamped at a certain time, and work her way back to when did she reasonably leave the school, since she can't time stamp when she left.

 

[sarx]

Timeline details are really important for a case no doubt. But... I can honestly say that most days I could not give you any better than a 15 minute window as to where I was, when I left, when I arrived, etc. Heck, I was just thinking back about this morning and couldn't do it. I know "around" what time I got up, "around" what time I had breakfast, "around" what time I logged on and did a bit of work (ok this one I can verify), around what time I got ready and headed to the store. The only time I am certain to the minute about is what time I got home. Oh wait, take that back, I got home and did some stuff in the front yard. Ok, I am certain what time I walked in the house because I remember looking at the clock on the stove. Other than that I'm not sure I could give any better than a 15 to 20 min. window on the rest of the morning.
For those with very regimented schedules it's much easier, for a lot of people, not so much.
She could be lying, but it could also be that she didn't look at your watch every 5 minutes and just knows approximate times. I could easily say to someone "I left for the store this morning at 9:45" and then later say 10 because it was somewhere in that range....

 

[21merc7]

Child abduction statistics: This is an old site, so the statistics have heightened.

"In around 75% of all murder-abductions, the child is believed to be dead within 3-6 hours of the abduction."

http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/abduction-murder.asp

and the US Department of Justice has not updated since 2007 either:

"in 76 percent of the murders of an abducted child, the child was murdered within 3 hours of the abduction;

in 89 percent of the cases, the missing child died within 24 hours of disappearing;

in nearly 60 percent of the cases, more than 2 hours passed between the time someone realized the child was missing and the time police were notified; and

the primary motive for the abductor was sexual assault."


http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/FBI/a0908/chapter3.htm

 

[Geralyn]

What might make a difference here is if the school bell rang. Now I'm fairly new and trying to step cautiously...what I'm about to ask is based on hearsay. But I'm only asking not stating, lol (hope that makes it alright?) ANyhow...didn't the bell ring at 8:45 for the students to head to class? If so...and thats when she sent him down the hall toward his class..she'd remember that. If not...I have to wonder..why didn't she wait for the bell to ring? Why send him early? Does anyone know *officially* when the bell rang?

 

[debs]

I'm concerned that there are suggestions that the groundskeeper has to be mistaken if what he says doesn't fit with a theory that Terri or an accomplice moved the truck to the service road.

 

[21merc7]

I'm concerned that there are suggestions that the groundskeeper has to be mistaken if what he says doesn't fit with a theory that Terri or an accomplice moved the truck to the service road.

It is okay, he will be asked questions, it will be clear to someone, but not us. He is at this moment a credible witness to timelines and children running outside to play in the morning on an open field.

 

[skylineneighbor]

I'm all for being as precise as possible, but we're talking about 15 minutes. IMHO, 15 minutes isn't the smoking gun in this case.

The 8:45 mark is very noticeable, because a the "start of school" bell rings. I always remember if I left before or after the bell, because even outside the things is so loud.

 

[Geralyn]

The 8:45 mark is very noticeable, because a the "start of school" bell rings. I always remember if I left bW

Well I just posted a question about that...so thank you so much. Then yes...no need to "round"...one would know they left when the bell rang..on such a significant day (child missing)

 

[liz b.]

I would like to apologize for posting what may well be inaccurate information. I had believed that TH did park in front of the school ; if she didn't, I made a mistake. I'm always very careful to post accurate, verified info. I hate to muddy the waters, especially where we have a missing child.

All JMO

 

[Geralyn]

Child abduction statistics: This is an old site, so the statistics have heightened.

"In around 75% of all murder-abductions, the child is believed to be dead within 3-6 hours of the abduction."

http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/abduction-murder.asp

and the US Department of Justice has not updated since 2007 either:

"in 76 percent of the murders of an abducted child, the child was murdered within 3 hours of the abduction;

in 89 percent of the cases, the missing child died within 24 hours of disappearing;

in nearly 60 percent of the cases, more than 2 hours passed between the time someone realized the child was missing and the time police were notified; and

the primary motive for the abductor was sexual assault."


http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/FBI/a0908/chapter3.htm

Murder-abductions. Ok...I am still holding tight to Kyron being alive and so these statistics aren't helping me personally...since they only address children who have been found..and found dead.