Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Still Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #2

[Gunslinging Granny]

Many western dive gauges have alarms on them. Mine does not, it is all visual. I tend to be a Luddite.

Based on the inner tube/BCD Thai people do not have the same equipment available to them.

What did you make of them turning off the pumps that night? It's possible he got caught in a huge pump's suction and no one could see him to free him as the water is described as "cold coffee"

 

[Bravo]

I don't know what to think. Only thing I know is I feel sick.

 

[creepcrusher]

Really anxious for a new positive development from the PC. Hoping it isn’t more of the same.

 

[*Verdigris]

Can yo’all hear my stomach grumbling? It sounds like it is crying! My puppy moved to the opposite side and end of the bed. I know many of you are going thru the same thing.

This is so nerve wrecking with so many boys to get out. How many divers do they have? If they are going to use two divers with each boy, they will need around 12 divers. We have heard all kind of numbers on the length of the round trip. Going with the 11 hour round trip, the divers will be exhausted and must take a sleep break , plus several eat breaks to gain strength for their next trip. Of course, we must factor in that one or two divers are going to be unable to make a second trip due to exhaustion, physical or mental. We are not going to Consider any accidents.

Every second counts once the rescue begins!

I am wodering how many skilled divers they have than can guide the boys out... and how long they will wait before sending one boy behind the other. Will they wait the full five hours until each one is out, before the send the next? (this will take days) or will they make like a congo line, waiting an hour or so after the other, to go next?
Sorry, this is convoluted - I hope someone can understand what I mean!
The logistics of it all, and time constraints don't jive...

 

[Elainera]

Still catching up, just wanted to say ...

It's also possible a lateral hole could be drilled over to the boys. This wouldn't require heavy equipment on top of the mountain above the boys' cavern.
Directional drilling - Wikipedia

Maybe some promising news?
Thailand cave rescue: former navy diver dies during operation – live

The chief engineer involved in the rescue mission has told the Guardian that he thinks a team may be able to drill down to where the boys are located and get them out that way.

Drilling was previously believed to be too dangerous an option, given the small space the boys and their coach are trapped in, and the fact that they are believed to be between 800m and 1km below the surface.

Schematic of where the boys are trapped.
Thai authorities are progressing several different plans at once to try to reach the boys – including drilling a hole from the top of the mountain to find them. Thanes Weerasin, the president of the Engineering Institute of Thailand, who is supervising a drilling crew currently in the jungle above the boys, told the Guardian he was exploring one particularly promising tunnel with with a large hole about 100m into it.

“It’s a big hole, about 1.2m by 1m,” he said. “You can go down using a rope … I think this place can lead to the children because after your foot touches the ground below, you can walk through using the compass and direct it to the tunnel [where the children are stuck].”

About 20m in the direction of the boys, Weerasin said he reached another hole that was obstructed by a boulder. He wedged a borescope through a gap and saw it extended up to another 10m.

He believes the hole could eventually lead to Nom Sao slope, the area past Pattaya Beach where the children and their coach are sheltering. “I think this hole is near there.”

“It remains to be seen whether this would be feasible but Musk has suggested that inserting “a 1m diameter nylon tube (or shorter set of tubes for most difficult sections)” through the cave network and “inflate with air like a bouncy castle” should create “an air tunnel underwater against cave roof and auto-conform to odd shapes like the 70cm hole”. This could potentially help pump the water and pave part of the way to make any future escape easier.“

Thailand cave rescue: former navy diver dies during operation – live

Devastated to hear a Navy SEAL died, shows how dangerous this mission is.

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but could they not drill DOWN into the cave floor to try and drain water that way, like a bath plug?

... all such great ideas and I hope one or more of them are feasible and doable. But the mood today seems like they feel they're running out of time? Maybe the weather experts have updated their forecast to make it even more dire to wait?

Back to reading ...

 

[Hatfield]

I used to work for a oil company and learned some about how drilling operations work.

One thing I can say for sure is it takes time to setup the drilling rig and stabilize it properly over the hole. Then it takes time to drill down. Depending on the type of rock and depth it will vary how long it will take them to get down deep enough. They measure the drilling speed in feet/hour and that can sometimes take a long time to get down to the depth.

So if drilling is going to be done we need to be prepared for another long wait before any chance of anyone coming up through a drilled hole.

Below is a general outline of the steps and each step takes time.

-Assess and determine best place to setup drilling rig
Takes time to select the spot.

-Bring in the drilling equipment and the sections of drill pipe. Each pipe is usually 27 to 32 feet long. Need enough pipe hauled in to get to the depth. Each pipe has to be connected to the drilling pipe column as they go down. Fastened each pipe with a collar that screws to the next one. Will take time to haul all the pipe and equipment.

-Begin drilling. Type of rock and depth will determine how long it will take. Measured in X feet / hour

 

[Gardenista]

Thai cave rescue: Rescue diver REVEALS what trapped boys must do to escape ALIVE

However, volunteer rescue diver Reungrit Changwanyuen insisted he was optimistic the boys could make it out alive.

“They don’t need to be trained to be a Scuba diver, but they need to be trained how to use the equipment to breathe.

“So they don’t need to learn how to swim because the dive support team will be carrying them out and supporting them all the way through.

“So the key thing they need to understand and learn how to use is the equipment that helps them breathe.

“And they need to understand the communication between the support diver and the kids to make sure they don’t panic, and if they panic how to support them and how to react if the kids panic in the water.

“So that is the risk.

“But if you’re talking about the skill set they need to learn, it’s not impossible to learn very quickly.

 

[zencompass]

Thai cave boys unite community in hope

 

[*Verdigris]

I thought Elon sent/was sending bad- pumps? He sent drilling equipment?
Only drilling equipment, or pumps, too?

 

[Gardenista]

Devastated to hear a Navy SEAL died, shows how dangerous this mission is.

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but could they not drill DOWN into the cave floor to try and drain water that way, like a bath plug?

I would be worried they'd hit an underground spring and make things worse. In fact, I've been wondering if some of the water is coming from below.

 

[creepcrusher]

Thai cave rescue: Rescue diver REVEALS what trapped boys must do to escape ALIVE

However, volunteer rescue diver Reungrit Changwanyuen insisted he was optimistic the boys could make it out alive.

“They don’t need to be trained to be a Scuba diver, but they need to be trained how to use the equipment to breathe.

“So they don’t need to learn how to swim because the dive support team will be carrying them out and supporting them all the way through.

“So the key thing they need to understand and learn how to use is the equipment that helps them breathe.

“And they need to understand the communication between the support diver and the kids to make sure they don’t panic, and if they panic how to support them and how to react if the kids panic in the water.

“So that is the risk.

“But if you’re talking about the skill set they need to learn, it’s not impossible to learn very quickly.

But what about the part where they have to swim alone because the space is too narrow for anyone else to fit?

 

[Gardenista]

Headcam footage shows difficult conditions facing divers in Thai cave – video

 

[CoverMeCagney]

But what about the part where they have to swim alone because the space is too narrow for anyone else to fit?

There are ropes all the way along so they “just” have to pull themselves through.

 

[*Verdigris]

I don't know what to think. Only thing I know is I feel sick.

Me too. Really. Upset stomach, and didn't get anything done all day! (It's going on 23:00 here.)

 

[creepcrusher]

There are ropes all the way along so they “just” have to pull themselves through.

Right but In the article he was acting like a SEAL would be doing everything for them except breathing. And that’s just not true. The scariest part about them diving is where they would have to be alone in certain areas.

 

[SugarQueen]

The photo showing the super narrow tunnel got me. Now seeing the video above, bless these amazing people going in there to try and rescue these kids.
Hoping for a miracle, while my stomach is in knots.

 

[SunVenus]

Okay, websleuthy peeps, I am off to bed. I'm keeping the ABC feed up, and hopefully we will all reconvene with good news.

To so many of you I've bumped and thanked-- thank you! You make this painful wait less scary.

May tomorrow bring us all better news!

 

[Bravo]

Guardian link states presser to start soon. Hope so.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Me too. Really. Upset stomach, and didn't get anything done all day! (It's going on 23:00 here.)

Whereabouts are you, Verdigris? Somewhere over that neck of the woods given the time zone?

 

[enelram]

Hatfield nailed it on the prep needed for drilling. The major problem here has been the unstable ground getting the heavy equipment up the mountain, and a stabilizing pad needs to be
built. Some of the roads/paths to get to the mountain are mere bicycle paths. We are talking major construction to get equipment in.
I'm hoping Musk is bringing in some of their super dooper scoping
equipment and engineers/scientists to determine the interior ground/openings in mountain. Mapping the interior would be of great benefit to
finding best place to drill.
I so wish we had all this help a week ago. But nevertheless, this
is the breakthrough that we need. If this is the major announcement. We need the greatest brains available right now
and the education and science to get these boys out.
Cross your toes that this is coming.