Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Still Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #2

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  • #501
A little off topic but I just had to ask:

How many of you are annoyed that they are already advertising that the Tham Luang cave will be turned into a tourist attraction? Oh and also they are going to make some changes so the cave will be "safe for tourists."

Another thing that I find super annoying is Apple advertising under #ThamLuang on twitter.

Okay. Rant over.
 
  • #502
I wish I could deep clean or be productive when I get overwhelmed emotionally by cases on WS.

I usually do the opposite---turn into a zombie and ignore the dishes in the sink and the dog hair on the hardwood floors. Then when hubby texts that he is 'on the way home' -----it's a mad rush to put some hot water in the sink to camouflage the dirty dishes with suds and spray pledge around to mimic the smell of houework underway...
 
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  • #504
Prayers for peace to be held for each of the boys, their couch and their rescuers. May their thinking be clear, their actions deliberate and well thought out, and they continue to seek the most realistic approach to removing them! I wonder if the cave has an opening on the back side of the mountain? If there so far into it now, maybe they are closer to being able to go out the opposite direction from what they are currently seeing as the caves enterance? Does that make sense? Maybe a 'back door' instead of the 'front door'. I don't know anything about caves. Only been to a few that were tourist guided into caverns, and it was cold in the ones I was in, and bats!
 
  • #505
I wish I could deep clean or be productive when I get overwhelmed emotionally by cases on WS.

I usually do the opposite---turn into a zombie and ignore the dishes in the sink and the dog hair on the hardwood floors. Then when hubby texts that he is 'on the way home' -----it's a mad rush to put some hot water in the sink to camouflage the dirty dishes with suds and spray pledge around to mimic the smell of houework underway...
Yeah, I'm like you. Ready to just shut down. Overwhelmed when stressed, and not even sure where to begin, or even want to begin. Still shook up from yesterday and little August Farley being found deceased. Was in my area.
 
  • #506
(Still haven't read anymore yet, feeling better, but was just thinking how much I miss Foxfire right now. He was a Military Vet, former Fire Captain, SAR volunteer..I was thinking about 9/11 last night and what heros not just our fallen diver yesterday was, but all those firefighters who died going into those buildings...like I said before I guess some wounds never heal...point is, again, another place Foxfire is sorely missed. Maybe we can collectively summon his spirit to help guide those boys out)
(OK balling even worse now. )

Foxfire, please help guide those boys out. And their rescuers.
Sobbing...)

(ETA: Foxfire says: "Going in, M25")

(Eta: Hmmm, I wonder if Foxfire ever did any diving, it wouldnt surprise me, I bet he has...)

I miss him too Magz. ( damn it, now tears here too.)
 
  • #507
Tweet or email the king? Oh my gosh I will do that in a heartbeat just to say I've done it! I mean as one who has studied old kings a little, that would be surreal. Like the time when the monk at the temple finished giving someone a tour, then turned around and said "wanna be friends on facebook?"
Well then, just do it. I haven't found a contact yet but I'm still looking.
Be forewarned, this new punk king threatened to take down all
thailand's FB cause someone criticized him and took a photo
of him in a crop top at a shopping mall.
Plus he's been married 3 times, 7 kids, and just put in a new law
allowing himself access to 30-60 billion dollars of the crown's money. A real democrat wouldn't you say?
 
  • #508
Yeah, I'm like you. Ready to just shut down. Overwhelmed when stressed, and not even sure where to begin, or even want to begin. Still shook up from yesterday and little August Farley being found deceased. Was in my area.

(My Nana’s been in Bass Cove on Craddock Creek since the lake was formed and full time since 1985. I lived with her for a while and it’s like home for me❤️❤️)
 
  • #509
Well then, just do it. I haven't found a contact yet but I'm still looking.
Be forewarned, this new punk king threatened to take down all
thailand's FB cause someone criticized him and took a photo
of him in a crop top at a shopping mall.
Plus he's been married 3 times, 7 kids, and just put in a new law
allowing himself access to 30-60 billion dollars of the crown's money. A real democrat wouldn't you say?

Oh dear.
 
  • #510
A lot of the frustration stems from the before mentioned difference in communication by the Thai officials as opposed to how it would be handled in the US for example. But I dont think that vague statements necessarily translate into non-action. They are taking advice and have help from the best of the best and will do the best and safest that can be done in this dire situation. There is no definite safe way nor a definite answer how the boys will be brought out right now because thats how the situation is unfortunately. I trust the expert divers who say its not safe, the boys need to be stronger, the water needs to be brought down more, etc. I trust them to decide when its the right moment with the best odds to bring them out alive. I dont blame the governor for not having definite answers right now. At least the boys are fine thats good to hear. Oxygen is now coming in and they have communicated with their families which surely has improved their mood and mental strength. More pumps and other equipment have come from Elon Musk. We have to be patient.

So, iirc the last confirmation was via a British cave diver (again)...
(Honestly, I'm sorry I want actual confirmation of this. Sorry to say, like Bravo said, cray cray.

As some may recall, I have some ocean experience and at one time contemplated searchdiving myself for Dylan's remains in a cold mountain lake (remember that...uughh..).but QUICKLY assessed no way could I do those conditions...that's part of being a diver I think..if they say they can't do it, they can't do it, moo. Because you have to believe you can do it before you can do it (craycray) Which means I'mo (gah can barely post, basically, focus on the rocks, etc, I'm staring at the mountains, )

Who are currently the best free divers in the world?

Do you guys remember the movie, with the French guy, he was a free diver..."into the blue" maybe?

OH MY gosh...I just had a great idea. At least I think I do (continued)

So, I remember from my old dive days studying or whatever you want to call it the different types of divers.

I remember reading an article about some of the best divers in the world who can sustain cold, dark, conditions. It's not just cave divers. It's oil rig divers and everything associated it with that. Guys down off Texas, Louisiana maybe? I think maybe I watched a show on it? On Discovery? Idk...anyway, I realize they are not experienced cave divers necessarily but they lay the pipes down, work on the rigs deeeep underground in cold murky conditions. These are some of the most dangerous diving conditions that can be undertaken while working on the heavy equipment.

It sounds like they have multiple approaches going simulataneously. Which is wise, hopefully nothing will conflict with each ither.

This takes some serious teamwork and collaboration.
 
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  • #511
Prayers for peace to be held for each of the boys, their couch and their rescuers. May their thinking be clear, their actions deliberate and well thought out, and they continue to seek the most realistic approach to removing them! I wonder if the cave has an opening on the back side of the mountain? If there so far into it now, maybe they are closer to being able to go out the opposite direction from what they are currently seeing as the caves enterance? Does that make sense? Maybe a 'back door' instead of the 'front door'. I don't know anything about caves. Only been to a few that were tourist guided into caverns, and it was cold in the ones I was in, and bats!

I’m guessing a lot of the 60? Divers in the cave are scouting for signs of a “back door”, or structurally sound place for drilling. The concern, of course, is time and weather....not to mention cause and effect. Frantic drilling in the wrong spot could cause structural instability, or an escape of trapped water that could increase peril.

I’m super intrigued by the Kevlar tube concept mentioned upthread. I am imagining an enclosed “cocoon” supplied with oxygen the diver could pull along? Not sure...
 
  • #512
A little off topic but I just had to ask:

How many of you are annoyed that they are already advertising that the Tham Luang cave will be turned into a tourist attraction? Oh and also they are going to make some changes so the cave will be "safe for tourists."

Another thing that I find super annoying is Apple advertising under #ThamLuang on twitter.

Okay. Rant over.

I found it shocking and it angered me tbh. :mad: How completely insensitive to think about how they can turn this into cash. Should ve waited before making these plans public.
 
  • #513
Tweet or email the king? Oh my gosh I will do that in a heartbeat just to say I've done it! I mean as one who has studied old kings a little, that would be surreal. Like the time when the monk at the temple finished giving someone a tour, then turned around and said "wanna be friends on facebook?"
Calling margarita25 and keeleydoll!!!!!!
Here ya go, the King O Thailand's Twitter Account!!!!
Go Gor It!

King Rama X (@King_Rama_X) | Twitter
 
  • #514
Prayers for peace to be held for each of the boys, their couch and their rescuers. May their thinking be clear, their actions deliberate and well thought out, and they continue to seek the most realistic approach to removing them! I wonder if the cave has an opening on the back side of the mountain? If there so far into it now, maybe they are closer to being able to go out the opposite direction from what they are currently seeing as the caves enterance? Does that make sense? Maybe a 'back door' instead of the 'front door'. I don't know anything about caves. Only been to a few that were tourist guided into caverns, and it was cold in the ones I was in, and bats!
They have been exploring to see if there is another way into the cave. They have found lots of other openings around there, but it will take a long time to explore. Unfortunately the boys are just a long way down there. I am encouraged that they have been able to get more oxygen to them so that will buy them some more time. Hopefully the pumps can bring the water levels down to an acceptable level before the next rain storm brings it up again. Seems to me that is the best option right now, get as many pumps working as possible. It sounds to me that every that can be done IS being done right now.
 
  • #515
Prayers for peace to be held for each of the boys, their couch and their rescuers. May their thinking be clear, their actions deliberate and well thought out, and they continue to seek the most realistic approach to removing them! I wonder if the cave has an opening on the back side of the mountain? If there so far into it now, maybe they are closer to being able to go out the opposite direction from what they are currently seeing as the caves enterance? Does that make sense? Maybe a 'back door' instead of the 'front door'. I don't know anything about caves. Only been to a few that were tourist guided into caverns, and it was cold in the ones I was in, and bats!

Since the area beyond where the boys are stranded has not been mentioned so far I assume its also heavily flooded. And from what Ive seen on maps its much further to the end of the cave and the exits there than to the front entrance - maybe 6km (rough estimate).
 
  • #516
I guess it’s a miracle that they have even been found. Let those miracles keep on rollin’. I suspect the angels are working overtime on all the incoming requests!
God Bless these children, bring them home safe.
 
  • #517
So, iirc the last confirmation was via a British cave diver (again)...
(Honestly, I'm sorry I want actual confirmation of this. Sorry to say, like Bravo said, cray cray.

As some may recall, I have some ocean experience and at one time conteplated search diving for Dylan's remains (remember that...uughh..).but QUICKLY assessed no way could I do those conditions...that's part of being a dier i think..if they say they can't do it, they can't do it, moo. Because you have to believe you can do it before you can do it (craycray) Which means I'mo (gah can barely post, basically, focus on the rocks, etc, I'm staring at the mountains, )

Who are currently the best free divers in the world?

Do you guys remember the movie, with the French guy, he was a free diver..."into the blue" maybe?
IDK about free divers, my husband’s best friend since childhood is a retired Navy diver currently in the reserves. He’s worked for years on submarine design. I’m wondering now if there are any solo personal sub technologies (and if they’d make it through a 70cm gap) they worked on or if it was all large commercial vehicles. I may try to get in touch with him.
 
  • #518
We ALL need to get the King to kick in the money and RAF planes
to get the cloud seeding going so that any rain comes down miles
from the cave instead of over the cave and mountain.
Send his majesty a friendly little tweet to help. Tell him he will be the most admired monarch in the whole world. build him up.

King Rama X (@King_Rama_X) | Twitter
 
  • #519
Do I need a Twitter Account to tweet the King? Is it easy to do?
 
  • #520
A little off topic but I just had to ask:

How many of you are annoyed that they are already advertising that the Tham Luang cave will be turned into a tourist attraction? Oh and also they are going to make some changes so the cave will be "safe for tourists."

Another thing that I find super annoying is Apple advertising under #ThamLuang on twitter.

Okay. Rant over.

Yep. That's what the government are think about, Tourism and how to make more money.
They are going to 'spruce up' a few local small towns in the hopes that people will spend a fortune to visit the caves.

To heck with these boys, they've no idea how to get them out but they sure have plans to make money out of this so-far, disaster.

Its such a poverty stricken country that that's how they have to think, I guess but its just awful.
 
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