Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Still Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #2

[keeleydoll]

I’m not a physics or engineering person, do we have a drilling expert on board? It was asked before and not answered, but I saw options at some point of drilling in from an angle from the side?

 

[margarita25]

"So, what is the best chance to get the trapped people out?
Find a back entrance to the cave. "A cave as large as the one they're in is bound to have a back entrance," Wilson said. "There would be no problem if they found one. They could put harnesses on the kids and pull them out."

But finding that back cave entrance in such heavy jungle is extremely difficult. The entrance would likely be a simple hole in the ground, but it would be hard to spot because of the forest. "There are people walking all over that jungle right now trying to find it," Wilson said."

OMG just had an idea! TOMNOD!!! Digital Globe!!

 

[margarita25]

Battery dead again crap...anyway re: isolating areas in the jungle, tomnod/digital globe and as kkdj mentioned, drones.

 

[JDG]

I toured Antelope Canyon in AZ with a geology class years ago, we basically had to sign away our lives. One end of the canyon had been closed because tourists died in a flash flood and the end we traveled was open but still posed risks. We (mostly early 20’s) thought the danger was cool. It was amazing and I’d love to take my kids one day but the way flash floods happen I don’t know if I can do it.

It's a flash flood that has these boys stuck in there now. It was a dry cave when they entered. I just wish they would get them out.

 

[*Verdigris]

I toured Antelope Canyon in AZ with a geology class years ago, we basically had to sign away our lives. One end of the canyon had been closed because tourists died in a flash flood and the end we traveled was open but still posed risks. We (mostly early 20’s) thought the danger was cool. It was amazing and I’d love to take my kids one day but the way flash floods happen I don’t know if I can do it.

I'm not against anyone wanting to tour the cave normally, during the (relatively) safe season. I might would want to myself, just a bit, if I happened to be in the area.
I just feel that (already!) trying to profit from this tragedy, is pretty repulsive.
It was sitting there forever... but now all of a sudden they're going to promote it? And a signed waiver won't make a bit of difference if it flash-floods with someone in there.
unless of course it says, "we won't be coming in to save your "
...

 

[Gardenista]

Re: drilling and my worries about it which may be complete BS, because I know zero about drilling.

Anyways, when it's been done for rescues in the past, the drilling has happened at places where they know the rock and how it reacts to being disturbed by the drill (mining). They likely know the best places to drill to avoid the chance of a cave-in. They don't have that knowledge for these caves.

 

[keeleydoll]

I’m not trying to be pessimistic, just trying to sort it out, but I’m assuming that if there were no outflow from the pool in the cavern the Wild Boars are that the ammonia from urine buildup in stagnant water and poo stink would be awful. I don’t know that it isn’t but IMO if it’s a limestone cavern there is likely an outflow stream even if it’s very small.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

We ALL need to get the King to kick in the money and RAF planes
to get the cloud seeding going so that any rain comes down miles
from the cave instead of over the cave and mountain.
Send his majesty a friendly little tweet to help. Tell him he will be the most admired monarch in the whole world. build him up.

King Rama X (@King_Rama_X) | Twitter

When I click on it, it says "parody".

 

[jjenny]

How did they even manage to get where they are? Why did they get so far from the entrance? Looking at the graph, there are higher elevation areas that are closer to the entrance.
A rescue diver says the easiest way to get the Thai soccer team out of the cave is to drug them

 

[keeleydoll]

Re: drilling and my worries about it which may be complete BS, because I know zero about drilling.

Anyways, when it's been done for rescues in the past, the drilling has happened at places where they know the rock and how it reacts to being disturbed by the drill (mining). They likely know the best places to drill to avoid the chance of a cave-in. They don't have that knowledge for these caves.

If it’s limestone, we need drillers from Kentucky and West Virginia.

 

[Amonet]

"So, what is the best chance to get the trapped people out?
Find a back entrance to the cave. "A cave as large as the one they're in is bound to have a back entrance," Wilson said. "There would be no problem if they found one. They could put harnesses on the kids and pull them out."

But finding that back cave entrance in such heavy jungle is extremely difficult. The entrance would likely be a simple hole in the ground, but it would be hard to spot because of the forest. "There are people walking all over that jungle right now trying to find it," Wilson said."

OMG just had an idea! TOMNOD!!! Digital Globe!!

I don't think the resolution would be good enough. It's covered in jungle so thick that you could walk right next to the opening and miss it. I don't think you could see it from the satellite images.

Plus the last time I saw a photo from the area it was thick clouds

I do love TOMNOD, though, and have taken part in them a few times...it makes you feel like you're contributing something even though you're the other side of the world.

 

[Tssiemer]

 

[keeleydoll]

How did they even manage to get where they are? Why did they get so far from the entrance? Looking at the graph, there are higher elevation areas that are closer to the entrance.
A rescue diver says the easiest way to get the Thai soccer team out of the cave is to drug them

Yikes! I think drugging them is an awful idea. If something devastating happens and they’re sedated, no one will pick up on it!

 

[Elainera]

"So, what is the best chance to get the trapped people out?
Find a back entrance to the cave. "A cave as large as the one they're in is bound to have a back entrance," Wilson said. "There would be no problem if they found one. They could put harnesses on the kids and pull them out."

But finding that back cave entrance in such heavy jungle is extremely difficult. The entrance would likely be a simple hole in the ground, but it would be hard to spot because of the forest. "There are people walking all over that jungle right now trying to find it," Wilson said."

OMG just had an idea! TOMNOD!!! Digital Globe!!

bbm I don't think it's that simple. The kids are surrounded by water otherwise they would have gone further, right? The chose the only high and dry point there was. And there's no "hole" directly above them otherwise they would have been pulled out already. So that means any back entrance they will find will again lead to more flooded passages the boys would have to traverse to get to that exit to be taken out.

It's a pity these caves have never been properly surveyed. I'm surprised the locals don't know more about them, there must be at least some of them who have been in there. I read monks go in there to meditate?

 

[rosesfromangels]

So, seems like he’s not a big social media guy

I’m certainly not royalty but I don’t wear anything in public that I wouldn’t wanted posted on “People of Walmart”or whatever.

We needed this levity. Post of the day.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Yikes! I think drugging them is an awful idea. If someone devastating happens and they’re sedated, no one will pick up on it!

I will admit this thought crossed my mind. I can't imagine a child who could endure "under six hours" of escaping a cave. My mind did go to sedation. Not saying it's the right answer, but it did cross my mind, especially if they were in a "cocoon". Same sort of concept as when claustrophobics get MRIs. But that's a long time to sedate a child safely, and in those crazy circumstances. Just no easy answers here at all.

 

[*Verdigris]

("Wild pig team?" Birds'nest collectors? .....Anxiously reading to get caught up!!!)

I wonder if the bird nest collectors, are the same ones who collect those bird-spit nests, for the bird nest soup?

 

[Elainera]

How did they even manage to get where they are? Why did they get so far from the entrance? Looking at the graph, there are higher elevation areas that are closer to the entrance.
A rescue diver says the easiest way to get the Thai soccer team out of the cave is to drug them

They might have been past the elevated areas already when the water came in and ran further in. How horrifying it must have been! Not knowing whether the water will come up more or stop ....

 

[margarita25]

I remember in Elisa Lam’a case the caliber of the reporting and graphics of Chinese media was incredible. I wonder f they have anything going on...

 

[Elainera]

I will admit this thought crossed my mind. I can't imagine a child who could endure "under six hours" of escaping a cave. My mind did go to sedation. Not saying it's the right answer, but it did cross my mind, especially if they were in a "cocoon". Same sort of concept as when claustrophobics get MRIs. But that's a long time to sedate a child safely, and in those crazy circumstances. Just no easy answers here at all.

I think they can take a break though. As of now there are a couple of dry and walkable stretches between those that they have to dive through. So it's not a continuous 5 or 6 hours trek. I would think they will take as many breaks as the child needs and is possible. I think the longest dive was 200ft, do I remember this correctly?