Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Still Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #2

[PrairieWind]

bbm I don't think it's that simple. The kids are surrounded by water otherwise they would have gone further, right? The chose the only high and dry point there was. And there's no "hole" directly above them otherwise they would have been pulled out already. So that means any back entrance they will find will again lead to more flooded passages the boys would have to traverse to get to that exit to be taken out.

It's a pity these caves have never been properly surveyed. I'm surprised the locals don't know more about them, there must be at least some of them who have been in there. I read monks go in there to meditate?

I"m guessing that locals don't know more because so much of the cave is inaccessible with out diving equipment. I am guessing that the kids and coach had not intended to go very far, but once the rain came and cave started to flood, they had to keep moving further back to escape. It really is a miracle that they did't drown that day and an even more amazing miracle that they have been found.

 

[margarita25]

Soooo if I understand this correctly (speaking to what's reported) Official states we will bring them out if it rains. Well there is a difference between rain and a monsoon. In my estimation monsoon rains would start filling the cave again? I have no idea about the magnitude of a monsoon. My only comparison is Gilligan's Island. When Gilligan would be horizontal hanging on to a palm tree. Then the Captain would yell "I'm coming to get you Lil Buddy" (lol, kinda)

Have you guys done any annual monsoon weather mapping / rain quantities charts yet?

 

[enelram]

I wonder if the bird nest collectors, are the same ones who collect those bird-spit nests, for the bird nest soup?

Yes, that soup is considered a delicacy in SE Asia.

And drones have been in use there all week looking for holes.

 

[margarita25]

Pompenbedrijf uit Noordwolde naar Thaise grot om voetballertjes te redden

Dutch pumping company specialized in water management headed to Chiangrai, Dutch government helping out - article is in Dutch but can be translated to English by right-clicking.

I hate to mention in bc it was such a disaster and flubbery but the Army Corps Of Engineers who worked on the dams and levys during Katrina..I wonder if they have some insight/equipment in the water pumping department—they have experiences, mistakes made, etc.

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NOAA....
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(I’m down to fragmented sentences)

I think whatever country has the best of whatever specialty, send them in this is a world effort. Glad to see others coming in.

 

[margarita25]

Yes, that soup is considered a delicacy in SE Asia.

And drones have been in use there all week looking for holes.

(Gross I will never eat that.)

 

[keeleydoll]

(Gross I will never eat that.)

(Seriously, the nests are put together with bird saliva and covered in poo. I’d rather not.)

It seems to be an almost acrobatic feat to hunt them and I’m sure those who do must be some of the best climbers in the world from the photos I’ve seen.

 

[enelram]

I was thinking a few days ago that they'd likely get some foreign visitors in to see the cave, but I think that's very tacky to start saying that or advertising it! These boys need to come out safely before anything like that is considered!

If you google the cave name it appears it is already a small tourist
attraction during dry season. Maybe they want to turn it into
a mega attraction.

 

[margarita25]

(Seriously, the nests are put together with bird saliva and covered in poo. I’d rather not.)

It seems to be an almost acrobatic feat to hunt them and I’m sure those who do must be some of the best climbers in the world from the photos I’ve seen.

(That is freaking disgusting.)

 

[creepcrusher]

It's just after 5:00 am there. I bet we'll get another PC in a few hours. It doesn't look like it's raining yet.

 

[creepcrusher]

If you google the cave name it appears it is already a small tourist
attraction during dry season. Maybe they want to turn it into
a mega attraction.

They do! They said something about turning it into a national park.

 

[Elainera]

I"m guessing that locals don't know more because so much of the cave is inaccessible with out diving equipment. I am guessing that the kids and coach had not intended to go very far, but once the rain came and cave started to flood, they had to keep moving further back to escape. It really is a miracle that they did't drown that day and an even more amazing miracle that they have been found.

bbm From November to May/June it is dry. I'm sure many locals must know these caves.

 

[margarita25]

(O/T, very hot and hazy and smoky here in NOCO, eyes are burning and coughing, but can’t leave this thread to go to wildfires thread...whatever it is doesn’t feel good, no fires here knock on wood but just saying smoke has really traveled and the mountains are totally hazed over)
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For us empathetic websleuthers, one person is enough to make us care. One child, well we care even more...13 kids? Enough to literally give us a heart attack.

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Some new images/diagrams posted here, had to switch to limited device:

Thailand cave rescue postponed for 12 trapped schoolboys

 

[rosesfromangels]

I think they can take a break though. As of now there are a couple of dry and walkable stretches between those that they have to dive through. So it's not a continuous 5 or 6 hours trek. I would think they will take as many breaks as the child needs and is possible. I think the longest dive was 200ft, do I remember this correctly?

You could very well be right. However, the above assume no changes in water conditions. That is a long, long trek for a weakened and frightened child. This truly requires everyone's very best efforts. (and prayers) Deus ex machina!

 

[margarita25]

I know, I’ve totally lost it, but do you guys remember “The Goonies”? Swishing trough cave tunnels..there’s got to be an opening at the end somewhere!!!!! Am I dreaming this but didnt it spit them out somewhere? How did they get out in the Goonies? (Yeah I think I’ve lost it)

 

[katydid23]

I'm kind of thinking staying in the cave as long as the water levels can be controlled and everyone inside is taken care of might be the best idea thru the rains. Meanwhile, keep pumping and digging and diverting the water flow. The most important thing is no more loss of life, even it takes a little while.

I go back on forth on this option. On one hand, it is possibly the safest option, but if it all goes bad, it will be instantly disastrous, with no way out.

This excerpt from a recent article explains it:



He added that the rains had stopped in the past few days, giving the rescue operation some space to make several areas in the cave dry enough for rescue workers to access.

He also said that when teams had stopped pumping water for 12 minutes during the day on Friday, the water level in the cave rose by 10cm (4in)."

Thai boys 'can walk but can't dive yet'


...so if they turn off the pumps for 12 minutes, the water goes up by 4 in? That is scary. The water level problem is perilous, and it isn't even storming yet.

What happens when the monsoons start and it rains bucket for 4 days? A storm is predicted within 24 hours...

 

[Elainera]

Have you guys done any annual monsoon weather mapping / rain quantities charts yet?

Here are two charts that show average rainfall by month for Chiang Mai.

Climate and average monthly weather in: Chiang Mai, Thailand

Btw this website also forecasts "patchy rain possible" for the next three days (Sat, Sun, Mon). No storm. So fingers crossed!

 

[margarita25]

Yikes! I think drugging them is an awful idea. If something devastating happens and they’re sedated, no one will pick up on it!

Jumping off this, can they give them B12 shots?

(Eta: for energy? Sorry if that’s a dumb question)

 

[*Verdigris]

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I know they said they brought in four months of food rations, but is it even accessible to the boys where they are, in the event they do get totally trapped?
Doesn't look like there is a whole lotta space around there, unless there is farther back. But an image Magz posted - it says 'person to scale' and it looks even smaller than I thought!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

(Gross I will never eat that.)

You might do when you get the munchies later!

 

[margarita25]

You might do when you get the munchies later!

(Touché)
(You know it’s bad when you can’t eat)
(Feel guilty yet grateful as I see the sunlight)
That reminds me can their eyes handle the sun when they come out?

Gosh these boys must want to hug their families soooooo badly (and vice versa).

Every journalist photographer is going to want to get the first pictures of them coming out.
Which btw haven’t heard much from the Daily Mail as much, they are the picture kings...I don’t know how they do it sometimes..