GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Bekind89]

I rhino he forced them INTO the creek to wash away DNA. I don't think he did nothing for the 15+ minutes before they crossed.

I also think that Libby was trying to save their lives by convincing RA to let Abby go. IMO she had Libby's pants on because that is how Libby passed the phone to Abby.

Rick was either never going to let anyone go or he was about to and got spooked. It might be the real moment he heard the BW's van and knew he could not get caught with two little girls in a state of undress. And that night be the exact moment he fatally wounded Abby, and seeing that, Libby tried to run toward the van.

Rick Allen is a cruel, vile, violent predator. Is, was. He's right, no good person does that.

Not a good person. The worst.

JMO

He is the worst. A weak little cowardly man that chose two helpless little girls as his victims.
His fan club , not here, on another website, makes me physically ill.

 

[INfisherman]

I have mixed opinions about the performance of LE on this case. Sure, mistakes were made - scale doesn’t matter to me - but this is what small town Midwest LE is often like. I live 5 minutes from the county sheriff’s station/county jail & 10 minutes from the city police station. My home town is 10 times the population of Delphi & draws crime from a top 20 city in terms of population, roughly 20-30 minutes away.

Mistakes have happened here in my hometown. They happen everywhere. Hell, the county jail admitted an inmate at the local hospital for an alleged illness & left him handcuffed to the hospital bed with no officers on guard/watch. He escaped & walked across the 2 lane state road into my neighborhood & broke into an elderly couple’s home, beating the husband & stealing their car. The husband was confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his days & likely died due to complications from the beating. Sure the inmate was later apprehended but who leaves an inmate in a hospital alone?

Next July will be the 20th anniversary of a double homicide of a mom & her pre-teen (10-11?) stepson (refer to Dickus murders) not even 10 minutes from my house. Police have said nothing publicly regarding details of the murders except for manner of deaths, husband not a suspect & some minor details regarding items found & taken. That’s it for 20 years.

Point being, mistakes & shut mouths happen just about everywhere. No, it doesn’t mean it’s acceptable or right but it just happens - like vehicle accidents. Same thing that happened in Delphi could happen just about anywhere else where violent crime/murder is not one of the larger foci of LE. On the other hand, I just don’t understand how it all ended up being a years long investigation. I guess the fact they got the man seems to push aside most of my disappointment with LE. To me, it seems the FBI may have been the real posers. I wasn’t there, so I really shouldn’t cast too many stones, I suppose.

Sure, it would be nice if we know who screwed up & all that but luckily the perpetrator screwed up more by leaving the victim’s phone at the scene along with his unspent round & later giving into his wife (MOO) & inserting himself into the investigation when he tipped himself to LE. Loose lips sink ships. He gained nothing by admitting he was there to his wife but then later lying that he wasn’t on the bridge. The interview from 10/2022 (MOO) shows they’d discussed his trip to the trails prior to 2022 ("you told me you weren’t on the bridge" - "you know I love you" (my paraphrasing)). He ended up lying to her anyway - why not just deny you were even there? I’ll never understand that move.

The bridge troll rot said it best - he is a coward & only cares for himself. It shows through in how he treated those allegedly close to him during each step of this case - his wife, his daughter, his mother. The only time he told the truth was when he was trying to fake his mental state (MOO) & blabbering to Dr. Wala.

Luckily, he will have 130 years to think about all that. I’m curious if that precious bible made the trip down to OK.

The actions of his attorneys, their team & those who unquestionably support the convicted or continue to point fingers at the victim’s family sicken me much more than the performance of LE on this case.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

I think he forced them INTO the creek to wash away DNA. I don't think he did nothing for the 15+ minutes before they crossed.

I also think that Libby was trying to save their lives by convincing RA to let Abby go. IMO Abby had Libby's pants on because that is how Libby passed the phone to her.

Rick was either never going to let anyone go or he was about to and got spooked. It might be the real moment he heard BW's van and knew he could not get caught with two little girls in a state of undress. And that muight be the exact moment he fatally wounded Abby, and seeing that, Libby tried to run toward the van.

Rick Allen is a cruel, vile, violent predator. Is, was. He's right, no good person does that.

No good person. The worst.

JMO

I personally think that the sound of the white van coming down the gravel road from half a mile away was what spooked RA to force the girls across the creek in the first place. Otherwise, I think he would take them under the bridge on the same south side and up into that other creek tributary that is very secluded.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I have mixed opinions about the performance of LE on this case. Sure, mistakes were made - scale doesn’t matter to me - but this is what small town Midwest LE is often like. I live 5 minutes from the county sheriff’s station/county jail & 10 minutes from the city police station. My home town is 10 times the population of Delphi & draws crime from a top 20 city in terms of population, roughly 20-30 minutes away.

Mistakes have happened here in my hometown. They happen everywhere. Hell, the county jail admitted an inmate at the local hospital for an alleged illness & left him handcuffed to the hospital bed with no officers on guard/watch. He escaped & walked across the 2 lane state road into my neighborhood & broke into an elderly couple’s home, beating the husband & stealing their car. The husband was confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his days & likely died due to complications from the beating. Sure the inmate was later apprehended but who leaves an inmate in a hospital alone?

Next July will be the 20th anniversary of a double homicide of a mom & her pre-teen (10-11?) stepson (refer to Dickus murders) not even 10 minutes from my house. Police have said nothing publicly regarding details of the murders except for manner of deaths, husband not a suspect & some minor details regarding items found & taken. That’s it for 20 years.

Point being, mistakes & shut mouths happen just about everywhere. No, it doesn’t mean it’s acceptable or right but it just happens - like vehicle accidents. Same thing that happened in Delphi could happen just about anywhere else where violent crime/murder is not one of the larger foci of LE. On the other hand, I just don’t understand how it all ended up being a years long investigation. I guess the fact they got the man seems to push aside most of my disappointment with LE. To me, it seems the FBI may have been the real posers. I wasn’t there, so I really shouldn’t cast too many stones, I suppose.

Sure, it would be nice if we know who screwed up & all that but luckily the perpetrator screwed up more by leaving the victim’s phone at the scene along with his unspent round & later giving into his wife (MOO) & inserting himself into the investigation when he tipped himself to LE. Loose lips sink ships. He gained nothing by admitting he was there to his wife but then later lying that he wasn’t on the bridge. The interview from 10/2022 (MOO) shows they’d discussed his trip to the trails prior to 2022 ("you told me you weren’t on the bridge" - "you know I love you" (my paraphrasing)). He ended up lying to her anyway - why not just deny you were even there? I’ll never understand that move.

The bridge troll rot said it best - he is a coward & only cares for himself. It shows through in how he treated those allegedly close to him during each step of this case - his wife, his daughter, his mother. The only time he told the truth was when he was trying to fake his mental state (MOO) & blabbering to Dr. Wala.

Luckily, he will have 130 years to think about all that. I’m curious if that precious bible made the trip down to OK.

The actions of his attorneys, their team & those who unquestionably support the convicted or continue to point fingers at the victim’s family sicken me much more than the performance of LE on this case.

JMO

I completely agree the blame lies at the hands of the guilty little bridge gnome. Nobody or nothing else caused him to commit the actions he did that day, except his sick, twisted mind. I think he'd had thoughts and fantasies of it for years, a brutal crime of that magnitude doesn't just happen overnight.

I'm thankful he was finally identified and now is serving out the remainder of his days behind bars in prison where I hope he experiences a fraction of the fright and pain he inflicted on Abby and Libby. That may sound harsh to some, but it's how I feel about child murderers.

Could have, should have, would have, if only's are always famous last words. Yes, the murderer got to live freely for an extra 5+ years, but once identified he was quickly brought to justice and found guilty by a group of his peers. That is Justice to me. I'm thankful Kathy Shanks was where she was, at the time she was, in order to come upon that tip sheet. Divine intervention, Karma, whatever you want to call it, a higher power was working in order to catch RA at that time IMO.

I'm sure the local LE and ISP have given themselves enough grief and heartache over this mistake, and it was a huge one, but I can see how it could have happened in the chaos of the early days. It just is what it is, nothing can change it.

And yes @INfisherman, I agree 1,000% that his disgusting, unprofessional Defense Duo then Trio and their actions during the entire case is more egregious and sinister than any error made by LE. I wish they would have been disbarred. I wonder how business is going for them these days?

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

I personally think that the sound of the white van coming down the gravel road from half a mile away was what spooked RA to force the girls across the creek in the first place. Otherwise, I think he would take them under the bridge on the same south side and up into that other creek tributary that is very secluded.

I feel he was likely already across the creek, as I believe the driveway is up a steep drop off down to the lower "flood plain" south of the creek which goes under the majority of the bridge. It would be much easier to see the driveway across the creek than directly down at the bottom of it. Not that it’s worth debating over, as we’ll likely never know every nuance as to what all actually occurred, unless the cowardly, small bridge troll decides to come clean at some point.

I may have to take a look at Dr. Wala’s testimony from the transcripts to see if MSM missed any details which may shed some more light on things.

I fully intended to read them all but as time went on, I just didn’t care to get worked up as I read through exchanges with the defense.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

I completely agree the blame lies at the hands of the guilty little bridge gnome. Nobody or nothing else caused him to commit the actions he did that day, except his sick, twisted mind. I think he'd had thoughts and fantasies of it for years, a brutal crime of that magnitude doesn't just happen overnight.

I'm thankful he was finally identified and now is serving out the remainder of his days behind bars in prison where I hope he experiences a fraction of the fright and pain he inflicted on Abby and Libby. That may sound harsh to some, but it's how I feel about child murderers.

Could have, should have, would have, if only's are always famous last words. Yes, the murderer got to live freely for an extra 5+ years, but once identified he was quickly brought to justice and found guilty by a group of his peers. That is Justice to me. I'm thankful Kathy Shanks was where she was, at the time she was, in order to come upon that tip sheet. Divine intervention, Karma, whatever you want to call it, a higher power was working in order to catch RA at that time IMO.

I'm sure the local LE and ISP have given themselves enough grief and heartache over this mistake, and it was a huge one, but I can see how it could have happened in the chaos of the early days. It just is what it is, nothing can change it.

And yes @INfisherman, I agree 1,000% that his disgusting, unprofessional Defense Duo then Trio and their actions during the entire case is more egregious and sinister than any error made by LE. I wish they would have been disbarred. I wonder how business is going for them these days?

MOO

Don’t get me wrong, I do feel there was some blame to be dealt towards LE but I’m not sure at whose feet it might belong. The FBI should be the best of the group, or at least one would think as such, right? Surely they have the best resources available to look at everything. Maybe I’m mistaken & they were in an assisting role only. The state LE would likely be the next best, followed by the county & then local PD. I’m sure the county & local PD were far less experienced or resourceful. Then again, not having any experience as LE or being there, I could be just stuck in my own thinking, spinning my tires in the mud. Maybe that’s just part of being in that field - one is at the mercy of the decision makers, right, wrong or indifferent. I know I’ve had some really dumb superiors in my years of employment - wasting millions of dollars & costing people jobs & wasting tons of time, but that’s off topic a bit.

I just hope hard lessons were learned to help curb those mistakes in the future, should anything similar occur. There’s no way forgiveness or looking the other way would come as easily IMO.

My parents are friends with a secretary/legal assistant who works in one of the attorney’s office here in town. Her daughter is a renter of my grandparents former house (the farm they still retain via my grandparents/inheritance). Anyway, I’ve met her a couple of times while I was down at the farm mowing & it was very difficult for me not to ask about the case or even be more standoffish & ask how she could work for such a doofus slimeball but the latter probably would have not gone over too well so I’ve bitten my tongue. That’s been challenging, as I’m very curious by nature.

I know I go on & on about it but it just floors me how no one here locally says a word about the 2 local attorneys & 1 local investigator & their antics during this case. Our local paper kind of kept quiet about it for the most part - probably afraid of a lawsuit they can’t afford. Baldwin’s office doesn’t advertise him by name on their sign outside - it’s just "Criminal Defense Team" & it’s practically an army of attorneys scattered throughout this area & up in Indy, IIRC. I’m not even sure where Auger’s office is anymore. She’s moved around from property to property here downtown over the years. I’ve often thought of ordering embarrassing yard cards for their office lawns now & again to draw attention but that’s just a twisted thought - nothing I’d ever actually do.

MOO