Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Still Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #2

[jjenny]

I"m guessing that locals don't know more because so much of the cave is inaccessible with out diving equipment. I am guessing that the kids and coach had not intended to go very far, but once the rain came and cave started to flood, they had to keep moving further back to escape. It really is a miracle that they did't drown that day and an even more amazing miracle that they have been found.

But that's the thing. Looking at the graph, there are areas closer to the entrance that are higher elevation. If they weren't very far, why did they not stay in those areas. How in the world did they end up so far from the entrance?

 

[MsFacetious]

Since they've had long-term exposure to guano, they may have histoplasmosis, a fungal infection, which causes flu-like respiratory symptoms. Most healthy people don't know they've contracted this infection. Immunocompromised people (the kids are malnourished and emotionally stressed) will have symptoms and may be unable to fight off the fungal infection without treatment.

They did give antibiotics when they found them. Hopefully they were as broad spectrum as possible.

It's kind of funny because I'd be very concerned about giving my child an antibiotic, pain medication or anti nausea medication they'd never had.

However I would not hesitate to sedate them. I guess that just comes from our family history and medical issues. History of allergies to all of those, not sedation meds.

Yes, And considering that this govenor has already been booted
from managing the operation, we don't know what the new govenor
will decide.

What? Why? I don't understand why you would switch leaders at this critical stage! I hope it doesn't cause further delays.

Tweets from Jacob Goldberg Jacob Goldberg (@yayqe) on Twitter

asked whether he still feels positively about the sotuation, the chiang rai governor said: “the world is perfect.”

governor: “if it rains, and the situation is not good, we will try to bring the boys out.” asked if he would leave the boys inside for four months, he laughed.

Please tell me I'm not the only one like this right now?!

The world is perfect?!
HE LAUGHED?!
I AM NOT IMPRESSED with the new guy!

There is a confirmed tweet by engineer Elon Musk stating he is sending his Boring Company engineers to talk with rescue officials on Saturday. His "hole digging" engineers wouldn't have an appointment to speak with rescue officials on Saturday if the boys were going to be dived out on Friday.

I would still have the appt since not all the boys can dive out. Also if diving them out were to fail, you'd want a back up plan. They seem to want back up plans, just can't seem to pick one!

Could they have announced the pc only to get all the journalists out of the way while something else going on elsewhere remains unseen and unreported? Photo on Guardian Live shows dozens of reporters all together, waiting for the pc to begin.

I know, I'm getting anxious and paranoid.

Thailand cave rescue: Thai government announcement expected at press conference - live

Very possible though I'm thinking they would probably just kick them out. Probably wouldn't feel the need to be sneaky about it.

There is definitely cloud seeding technology but I’d think with the sheer amount of rainfall during their monsoon season would prevent it from working.

WOW! I had never heard of this before. That's crazy! I wonder if it could be somewhat effective even if it doesn't prevent rain? Like reducing it? I mean anything helps!

A friend is telling me that this would actually be MOST EFFECTIVE at this time. Why in the world aren't they doing it?!

(Wow, "birds' nest collectors"? Wasn't expecting that one...)

Yes. Edible birds nests was the part that got me. I'm not sure who to be concerned for... the humans or the birds.

The football team that the boys belong to is called Wild Boars. Wild pig team isn't far off as translation goes.

Though since they did sacrifice a pig as well, I can understand the confusion!

Well that was a worthless waste of time- the BS ing has started.
the boys can dive already
the boys are unable to dive yet
the boys are just fine
I'm calling to parents everyday to ask if they want us to take boys out- no responsibility on official shoulders here.
they went in front of cave, they'll come out front of cave.
We want to minimize risks
Not today or tomorrow

What? Has the king threatened to behead the govenor if this fails?

I would hope that the king would provide some resources first! But probably not gonna happen.

So Agree- what the gov. really said-
Look World, we're not a bunch of ignorant backwoods yokels.
We know what we're doing. No flub-ups here.
We're contemplating a precise feat here, don't question us.
It'll happen when we say it happens.
Good Day World.

Yes. Scary! I would not be handling it well if my kid was in there.

If you google the cave name it appears it is already a small tourist
attraction during dry season. Maybe they want to turn it into
a mega attraction.

Wait, so this cave is used by TOURISTS and they don't have a detailed map of it?!

Jumping off this, can they give them B12 shots?

They probably could but that wouldn't sedate them. I'm trying to think if there is a benefit to them down there.

 

[jjenny]

They might have been past the elevated areas already when the water came in and ran further in. How horrifying it must have been! Not knowing whether the water will come up more or stop ....

How did they get through the "narrow flooded passage?" If they were already pass that passage when it flooded, then they went very far into the cave.
I think it was extremely irresponsible of the coach to take them into the cave.

 

[margarita25]

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I know they said they brought in four months of food rations, but is it even accessible to the boys where they are, in the event they do get totally trapped?
Doesn't look like there is a whole lotta space around there, unless there is farther back. But an image Magz posted - it says 'person to scale' and it looks even smaller than I thought!

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Re contamination, does that water flow a all, etc...I know I came in late and you guys talked about a lot, I did miss some stuff sorry...

End flow...(talking to myself)

What goes in must come out..?

Again sorry if you guys covered this.

Directional currents etc..
Video last night showed diver holding onto cable against rushing water currents.

 

[*Verdigris]

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I'm pretty sure 'experts' in their field can determine (some-what, anyway) by possible water lines/erosion on the walls where the boys are, if it's ever flooded there, or might perhaps flood often.
I've not heard anything at all about this, which is concerning to me.
Anybody know?

 

[margarita25]

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I'm pretty sure 'experts' in their field can determine (some-what, anyway) by possible water lines/erosion on the walls where the boys are, if it's ever flooded there, or might perhaps flood often.
I've not heard anything at all about this, which is concerning to me.
Anybody know?

omggg

Zoom in can we see anything??

Shudder.

 

[Amonet]

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I'm pretty sure 'experts' in their field can determine (some-what, anyway) by possible water lines/erosion on the walls where the boys are, if it's ever flooded there, or might perhaps flood often.
I've not heard anything at all about this, which is concerning to me.
Anybody know?

I don't know enough about it, but what bothers me is that media's been saying the kids are on a mud bank? Surely mud has to be laid down by water??? And that says to me that that bank is not a safe place. If it was a rock outcrop with no sediment on top I'd feel a bit safer. But I know nothing about this subject, so I hope I'm wrong.

 

[jjenny]

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I'm pretty sure 'experts' in their field can determine (some-what, anyway) by possible water lines/erosion on the walls where the boys are, if it's ever flooded there, or might perhaps flood often.
I've not heard anything at all about this, which is concerning to me.
Anybody know?

As far as I can tell, they think it could flood.
"The SEAL commander raised the possibility that the boys’ location on a muddy patch above the water may not stay dry for long, as heavy monsoon rains could flood the cave again."
Efforts to rescue boys from Thai cave stall as it becomes clear just how risky every method is

 

[margarita25]

As far as I can tell, they think it could flood.
"The SEAL commander raised the possibility that the boys’ location on a muddy patch above the water may not stay dry for long, as heavy monsoon rains could flood the cave again."
Efforts to rescue boys from Thai cave stall as it becomes clear just how risky every method is

Ugggghhhhh...

More random thoughts:

What about the possible value of acoustical analysis here? Vibrations, sound. A trained ear or program could detect pockets...I’m sure they’re doing all this.

Endoscopic microphones..(thinking out loud)

Robots.

Mini robot extractors.

 

[Amonet]

omggg

Zoom in can we see anything??

Shudder.

I don't think there was enough light to tell.

But I'm also thinking that the boys have been reported as drinking drips of water from the ceiling/walls of the cave? That means, I would think, that the whole cave is going to show signs of moisture....the lower part where it floods often is maybe more likely to be covered in slimy microbial layers? But the water coming in with the flood is fresh water, and the water coming in through the ceiling/walls is fresh water, so surely a lot of those microbes can survive in both environments? The exception might be something that requires high levels of something like nitrates or phosphates that come in with the flood. But I would think you might need to be quite a specialist to be able to do this kind of microbiological examination? Would most cavers be able to do it by eye? I don't know. And I don't know if any of my conjecture is 100% accurate, because I a not an expert.

 

[JanetElaine]

I hate to mention in bc it was such a disaster and flubbery but the Army Corps Of Engineers who worked on the dams and levys during Katrina..I wonder if they have some insight/equipment in the water pumping department—they have experiences, mistakes made, etc.

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NOAA....
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(I’m down to fragmented sentences)

I think whatever country has the best of whatever specialty, send them in this is a world effort. Glad to see others coming in.

That's why I was glad to see the Dutch company/Netherlands getting involved (I think they actually did after Katrina, as well). Basically the whole country is under sea level and if it wasn't for water management and the accompanying knowledge and equipment it'd be well flooded.

 

[Elainera]

In the latest presser they said the boys are healthy and fine. So does that mean the three that were reported not feeling very well two days ago are now better?

 

[keeleydoll]

I don't think there was enough light to tell.

But I'm also thinking that the boys have been reported as drinking drips of water from the ceiling/walls of the cave? That means, I would think, that the whole cave is going to show signs of moisture....the lower part where it floods often is maybe more likely to be covered in slimy microbial layers? But the water coming in with the flood is fresh water, and the water coming in through the ceiling/walls is fresh water, so surely a lot of those microbes can survive in both environments? The exception might be something that requires high levels of something like nitrates or phosphates that come in with the flood. But I would think you might need to be quite a specialist to be able to do this kind of microbiological examination? Would most cavers be able to do it by eye? I don't know. And I don't know if any of my conjecture is 100% accurate, because I a not an expert.

Most limestone caverns will have a lot of seepage from above, this is how stalactites form. Minerals are pulled through the relatively porous ground by the water and also along with underground water flow how the caverns form. I’m really surprised they haven’t found more viable vents but I don’t the age and geology of the island. The terrain must be very treacherous if they’re having the bird’s nest climbers search it.

 

[enelram]

In the latest presser they said the boys are healthy and fine. So does that mean the three that were reported not feeling very well two days ago are now better?

I don't trust anything the new govenor and interior minister said
in todays pc. I think much of it was damage control. And they really didn't provide any new valid information.

 

[KaaBoom]

I"m guessing that locals don't know more because so much of the cave is inaccessible with out diving equipment. I am guessing that the kids and coach had not intended to go very far, but once the rain came and cave started to flood, they had to keep moving further back to escape. It really is a miracle that they did't drown that day and an even more amazing miracle that they have been found.

From what was reported, I believe their plans were to go all the way to the end. They did go far.

They had no food. They left their backpacks and their shoes before wading in there, trying to go the end of the tunnel like an initiation for local young boys to go to the end of the tunnel and write your name on the wall and then make it back.

Medics reach boys trapped in Thai cave – as it happened

 

[*Verdigris]

Yes, that soup is considered a delicacy in SE Asia.

And drones have been in use there all week looking for holes.

That's what I thought. They have it (and the hunters) here, too in Japan. Been here 25 years, still haevn't tried it. Although I've had shark fin soup. (pretty good)
The name of the particular bird in Japanese actually includes the same word for spit. hahaha. Different character, but same pronunciation.
One day I may try it, but I think it's expensive.

 

[margarita25]

Sorry if repost:

Teammates who didn't go on ill-fated hike into Thailand cave don't blame trapped soccer squad's coach

 

[enelram]

From what was reported, I believe their plans were to go to the end. They did go far.



Medics reach boys trapped in Thai cave – as it happened

Part of the initiation was to go to end of cave and write their name on wall.
That poor coach will probably be charged by the militaristic police.
the fact that it's already being discussed scares me.
Thailand has a horrible record in law enforcment. They imprison
people for life for drug possession and yet give a minor slap on the hand for violent spousal (women) murder. they have a
legal system that is still partly archaic and partly western but
it's crazy how they dole out punishment.

 

[creepcrusher]

In the latest presser they said the boys are healthy and fine. So does that mean the three that were reported not feeling very well two days ago are now better?

I was curious about that too, then I read it in a tweet that he said MOST of the boys conditions were back to normal.

 

[*Verdigris]

As far as I can tell, they think it could flood.
"The SEAL commander raised the possibility that the boys’ location on a muddy patch above the water may not stay dry for long, as heavy monsoon rains could flood the cave again."
Efforts to rescue boys from Thai cave stall as it becomes clear just how risky every method is

Thank you. That's pretty much what I thought. *sigh*