Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Still Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #2

[Gunslinging Granny]

They did give antibiotics when they found them. Hopefully they were as broad spectrum as possible.

Respectfully shortened.
Histoplasmosis is a fungal infection. Immunocompromised people who experience respiratory symptoms must take an anti-fungal agent (sometimes intravenously) for many months. In addition, they can require supplemental oxygen (need to wear O2 prongs and carry around a tank). Antibiotics don't kill viruses or fungi.

 

[Amonet]

Most limestone caverns will have a lot of seepage from above, this is how stalactites form. Minerals are pulled through the relatively porous ground by the water and also along with underground water flow how the caverns form. I’m really surprised they haven’t found more viable vents but I don’t the age and geology of the island. The terrain must be very treacherous if they’re having the bird’s nest climbers search it.

There was one of the cartoon-like images of the cut-through through the mountain that showed some of the formations in the rock, but I don't know how much they are conjectural vs likely.

I can't think of the technical terms...I'm not a geologist It looked to me like an uplift area...which I presume is obvious? The strata looked a bit zig zagged and broken up and in one area it looked like it had a sideways (sorta \ shape) slippage. So I was wondering how tectonically active the area might be? I presume the formation is old enough that it's not going to be geologically active?

Does that help?

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

In the latest presser they said the boys are healthy and fine. So does that mean the three that were reported not feeling very well two days ago are now better?

it probably means they aren't telling us anymore.

 

[MsFacetious]

I'm not sure how long water has to sit there for it to leave a line? Because I'd think if it had flooded repeatedly they would be able to tell that. But not sure if 4 months is long enough to leave a line or not.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

As far as I can tell, they think it could flood.
"The SEAL commander raised the possibility that the boys’ location on a muddy patch above the water may not stay dry for long, as heavy monsoon rains could flood the cave again."
Efforts to rescue boys from Thai cave stall as it becomes clear just how risky every method is

Absolutely everything said from rescuers contradicts another statement. smh When the boys were first located, it was stated that the "beach" where they were located doesn't flood.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I was curious about that too, then I read it in a tweet that he said MOST of the boys conditions were back to normal.

In their initial triage, it was said that there were several people considered "condition yellow" which means they were in serious condition.

 

[margarita25]

Bringing this forward, these boys.

Eta: if these boys don’t make it out this video will haunt me/is for the rest of my our life/lives.

Do we have a list of all their names, ages? I’m going to go back to the beginning a make sure I’ve read every post.

 

[KaaBoom]

Sorry if repost:

Teammates who didn't go on ill-fated hike into Thailand cave don't blame trapped soccer squad's coach

Their 25-year-old coach had led them on many trips into the cave complex in mountainous Chiang Rai Province after soccer practice, they said. And if any of the boys didn't want to go, they'd wait for their parents to pick them up.

Queue said he had visited the cave four times this year, always with their coach. They had traveled as far as 3 miles into its depths. But Queue said he'd never been during this time of year, Thailand's rainy season.

 

[MsFacetious]

Respectfully shortened.
Histoplasmosis is a fungal infection. Immunocompromised people who experience respiratory symptoms must take an anti-fungal agent (sometimes intravenously) for many months. In addition, they can require supplemental oxygen (need to wear O2 prongs and carry around a tank). Antibiotics don't kill viruses or fungi.

Sorry I got distracted when I was responding. I know this, my daughter has been given anti-viral medication through IV in the past.

Where I was going with that was that I hoped they considered ALSO giving broad spectrum anti-viral medication as well. Though I'm not sure how practical or doable that is down there.

It would definitely have to be researched a bit more than antibiotics. At least the antibiotics were a start though.

 

[Elainera]

From what was reported, I believe their plans were to go all the way to the end. They did go far.


Medics reach boys trapped in Thai cave – as it happened

The cave is 10km long, I doubt they planned to go all the way to the end. They set out on Saturday late afternoon - they would've been gone all night.

I think they have a certain spot, maybe that junction, or where the rescuers found the backpacks and shoes, where they write their name on the wall. While there they were surprised by a flash flood and ran deeper in. imo

 

[rosesfromangels]

I don't think we can count on accuracy in reporting. There are so many variables at play including shifting conditions, communication issues, and so forth.
I think it's rational to say these kids are in a dire situation and our continued prayers are well placed. I am doing my best to restrain myself on commentary about the coach who got them in this situation. Now when they are safe and sound, I may have a few comments about that.

Prayers continue

 

[margarita25]

Rising waters forced rescuers to suspend the search for 12 boys and their soccer coach missing for two days in a flooded cave complex in northern Thailand, but officials said Monday they believe they’re still alive.

The boys, aged 11-15, are believed to have entered the Tham Luang Nang Non cave in Chiang Rai province with their 25-year-old coach late Saturday afternoon. A mother reported that her son did not return from soccer practice that day, setting off the search.

Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

(Hi Moderators
JerseyGirl and Harmony2
Can we please add a link to thread 1 in post 1 if possible? Sorry if it’s right there and I missed it, cross eyed.)

 

[creepcrusher]

The cave is 10km long, I doubt they planned to go all the way to the end. They set out on Saturday late afternoon - they would've been gone all night.

I think they have a certain spot, maybe that junction, or where the rescuers found the backpacks and shoes, where they write their name on the wall. While there they were surprised by a flash flood and ran deeper in. imo

The way I'd read it they had gone deep into the cave, and hadn't heard the rain. Then on their way back they saw that the cave was flooded. So they turned around and went back looking for higher ground.

 

[margarita25]

Thai boys stuck in cave too weak to be moved



At least three trapped in Thai cave, ‘too weak to move’

I’m not sure they are all just suddenly well...I’m not sure they are well at all frankly. First there was suppos d PC with a big announcement the next an hour delay...

ETA: Sorry but I have this awful feeling last night was particularly rough, but I could be sooo wrong...they got the oxygen from Saman right?

 

[Elainera]

Sun is up in Chiang Mai. It's Saturday 7 July. Two weeks in the cave. They must be sick and tired of it. I hope today is the day when at least the stronger ones can be brought out.

 

[JDG]

it probably means they aren't telling us anymore.

I think you are correct. If anything, the world is being fed disinformation.
Wonder how long the 'real' rescuers i.e. the Australian and British Cavers will stay if this keeps up.

 

[*Verdigris]

Part of the initiation was to go to end of cave and write their name on wall.
That poor coach will probably be charged by the militaristic police.
the fact that it's already being discussed scares me.
Thailand has a horrible record in law enforcment. They imprison
people for life for drug possession and yet give a minor slap on the hand for violent spousal (women) murder. they have a
legal system that is still partly archaic and partly western but
it's crazy how they dole out punishment.

...may sound odd, but I hope he'll have to go to trial when he gets out -
since that'll mean he'll still be alive.
I think they might NEED to charge him, so that others won't think they can go in any time, get saved, then go about their day.
After this, there will no doubt be more people going to that particular cave; and probably after this, they might barricade it during monsoon (and a bit earlier.) I don't thnk any more locals would be dumb enough to go in there then - but tourists might.
tbh, I'm kinda surprised this hasn't happened sooner. But I guess the (most) locals really do respect it, and know not to go there during monsoon.

 

[creepcrusher]

I think you are correct. If anything, the world is being fed disinformation.
Wonder how long the 'real' rescuers i.e. the Australian and British Cavers will stay if this keeps up.

C'mon now. Let's not leave out the Thai rescuers. They lost a Navy SEAL. They are all risking their lives.

 

[Elainera]

The way I'd read it they had gone deep into the cave, and hadn't heard the rain. Then on their way back they saw that the cave was flooded. So they turned around and went back looking for higher ground.

Oh ok thank you. I hadn't read that.

I'm amazed how quick the cave flooded and how much. Is it lower than the surrounding area?

 

[JDG]

I don't think we can count on accuracy in reporting. There are so many variables at play including shifting conditions, communication issues, and so forth.
I think it's rational to say these kids are in a dire situation and our continued prayers are well placed. I am doing my best to restrain myself on commentary about the coach who got them in this situation. Now when they are safe and sound, I may have a few comments about that.

Prayers continue

I can't blame the coach. He's barely out of his teens and when they entered the cave it was dry. He cannot be held responsible for a flash flood that he could not foresee. IMO He's been with these boys a long time, they've gone on adventures and this was just another one. They were to run in, put their 'mark' or signature on the wall and leave. But, it all went terribly wrong.

I think the quote is wrong, sorry. I was answering to the poster who wants the coach criminally charged/held accountable for this fiasco.