Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - Officials Believe 12 Boys And Coach Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018

[*Verdigris]

Bumping a couple of my prior posts regarding the difficulty of diving them out.

I meant to look at the video last time, but got sidetracked.
Well - I agree with this guy almost entirely except for we don't really know about the potential of full flooding during the monsoon. But even with that, I'd like to cautiously agree with him about being able to avert, block, dam, and pump the water out.
And you're right about them needing those pumps! They need to be there, NOW! The financial element can be dealt with later...
jmo

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

The Guardian has live updates at this time.

Thailand cave rescue: time running out to free boys before monsoon hits – live

Thank you for this link, @WichitaFalls!!

 

[abeaman02]

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The fact that the boys got IN THERE by choice, through dark, narrow passage ways, is in and of itself a positive factor. The difference on the way out will be the (sludgy) water and mask/breathing apparatus. At least they already have experienced the blind, enclosed conditions.
I think these boys are game. Hopefully, with the help of the fabulous rescuers, they are viewing this as one big adventure.
And I know each and every one of them will get to tell their grandkids about it.
❤︎

Your upbeat attitude and approach is great. If the boys have attitude half as positive they will do great!

 

[MsFacetious]

The plan is to try to drain the cave enough that the boys can be extracted without need to use scuba gear. They may still have to swim, but won’t be fully submerged.

Thailand cave rescue: authorities plan to move boys without scuba gear – live

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

The entire path out of the cave isn't underwater. It has one area underwater which happens to be the most difficult to navigate.

 

[*Verdigris]

Your upbeat attitude and approach is great. If the boys have attitude half as positive they will do great!

Awww... thank you! The funny thing is, I am really kind of a negative nellie -- and usually zero in on all the realistic, negative aspects, since that's usually how things play out. (In my own life as well. )
But this one's different.
It's Apollo 13 all over again.

FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION.

I love Gene. (Kranz)

Hey -- Rather than Apollo 13, it's MaeSai 13.

#MaeSai13 !!!

(sorry, y'all - I don't "do" twitter, so you're stuck with me here.)

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

The entire path out of the cave isn't underwater. It has one area underwater which happens to be the most difficult to navigate.

I'm wrong. There are two or three places that they will need to swim.

 

[Jax49]

Thailand cave rescue: boys may be able to walk out as water levels drop – live

Rescuers are now able to enter the cave and make it as far as chamber three – about 1.5km into the cave network – without scuba gear.

“The water has been reduced by 40% so we can enter the cave without any diving equipment,” said Poonsak Woongsatngiem, a rescue official with Thailand Interior Ministry.

Officials have warned that chamber three still has water reaching up to the roof of the cave and so the focus is now on draining chamber three and the 2.5km passage from chamber three to where the boys are currently sheltering.

“The so-called chamber three is still in crucial stage. We want to drain water as much as we can,” said Poonsak. “However, I couldn’t estimate the depth. It varies because some areas may be deeper. We target the water in the third chamber to reduce to the point that no diving equipment is needed, like to the waistline, so one can wear just life jackets and walk out.”

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Another diagram which shows a lot more water

 

[Jax49]

6s ago23:03

Michael Safi has more from an ongoing press conference that the governor is holding about rescue efforts.

“We are in a race against time”, said Narongsak Osatanakorn, the governor of Chiang Rai province.

Reaching the boys from the entrance of the cave is an 11-hour round trip for divers, and Narongsak says efforts are ongoing to find find another way in.

 

[zencompass]

Hey! They listened to me!

Authorities said they were still exploring other options, such as scouring the mountainside for other ways into the cave and finding faster ways to pump water from the cave.

Thai official says boys may be taken out of cave in stages

Dear Wylie,

That is marvelous. You did such an admirable act!

Thank you !!

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

6s ago23:03

Michael Safi has more from an ongoing press conference that the governor is holding about rescue efforts.

“We are in a race against time”, said Narongsak Osatanakorn, the governor of Chiang Rai province.

Reaching the boys from the entrance of the cave is an 11-hour round trip for divers, and Narongsak says efforts are ongoing to find find another way in.

Potential drilling area?

 

[zencompass]

Thailand cave rescue: boys may be able to walk out as water levels drop – live

Rescuers are now able to enter the cave and make it as far as chamber three – about 1.5km into the cave network – without scuba gear.

“The water has been reduced by 40% so we can enter the cave without any diving equipment,” said Poonsak Woongsatngiem, a rescue official with Thailand Interior Ministry.

Officials have warned that chamber three still has water reaching up to the roof of the cave and so the focus is now on draining chamber three and the 2.5km passage from chamber three to where the boys are currently sheltering.

“The so-called chamber three is still in crucial stage. We want to drain water as much as we can,” said Poonsak. “However, I couldn’t estimate the depth. It varies because some areas may be deeper. We target the water in the third chamber to reduce to the point that no diving equipment is needed, like to the waistline, so one can wear just life jackets and walk out.”

Dear Jax49,

This is the best news - - if the water can be drained in chamber three, let's call it a miracle!

 

[Gardener1850]

The governor has confirmed that they may split the group, something he said yesterday they would not do. reports Michael Safi from the press conference being held at the cave entrance.

“The children who are prepared we will bring them first” said Narongsak Osatanakorn, the governor of Chiang Rai province, who is coordinating the rescue efforts.

Narongsak would not confirm if there will be a rescue attempt today

Thailand cave rescue: boys may be able to 'walk out' as water levels drop – live

 

[Jax49]

4m ago04:21

The governor has been asked how the boys are still breathing. He said it is believed there is an air hole and 30 teams have been assigned to try to find the opening of this air hole, believing it may be an alternate exit.

 

[creepcrusher]

Thailand cave rescue: boys may be able to 'walk out' as water levels drop – live

Now THIS would be the perfect scenario. Pump pump pump!

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I don't like this map at all. A 100 foot dive downward? Full climbing gear is needed in one of the submerged passage ways? And one passage way is so skinny they can't wear an oxygen tank.
PUMP FASTER!

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

A certified cave diver from the US, said the boys will have to undergo "immediate and intensive training" if they are to stand any chance of exiting the cave alive.
"Normal cave diving requires skills that go beyond what 99 per cent of the world's divers have ever seen, which is why it is so very hard to become certified to dive in caves," he wrote in an educational journal this morning. "The diving required in this cave, however, is not normal cave diving, and the rescuers are not normal cave divers.

Thailand cave rescue: Secret passage could save trapped boys

 

[WichitaFalls]

Thailand cave rescue: boys may be able to 'walk out' as water levels drop – live
What we know so far

• We are now entering into the third day since the boys were located in the cave in northern Thailand.
• Authorities have announced they have reduced the water levels in the first section of the cave – a 1.5km stretch from the entrance to a point they are calling chamber three – by 40%. It is now possible to walk through the water up to chamber three.
• The rescue plan is proceeding on three separate fronts:
• Plan A is to teach the boys to dive so that they can dive out of the cave escorted by navy divers, and the governor reported that the boys have begun doing practice dives in the cave.
• Plan B is to drain the cave system so that the children can walk out of the caves wearing life jackets meaning they don’t need to dive. Khao Khiewpakdi, head of Bangkok Metro Administration’s fire and rescue unit said each pump – and there are hundreds at the site – can drain 13,000 litres per hour. Authorities are installing more pumps and are asking electrical engineers to find a way to provide more power for the operation.https://www.facebook.com/dialog/sha...b061883625aff7#block-5b3d829ee4b061883625aff7
• Plan C is to drill down to the cave where the boys are stranded and rescue them that way. The governor earlier ruled out drilling as an option because the boys are between 800m and 1km below the surface and in a confined space, so it was not thought to be safe.
• Meanwhile the governor said they were in a “race against time” and were evaluating risk levels to try to assess when they should evacuate rescue teams, given that monsoon rains are predicted to arrive on the weekend.

 

[*Verdigris]

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This site has a running blog-type of updates - first posts at top, and scrolling down to latest.
I thought the following was interesting - may explain the lull lately in reports:

Apologies if any news comes late as many sources have begun to stop posting due to complaints by the Army for exposing the faces of the Navy SEALS in photos of the rescue, which is a ‘threat to national security’.

Anyway, this page has lots of info and images - I wish I had known about it earlier.
Chiang Mai CityNews - LIVE Updates: Teenager Football Team Trapped in Thai Cave
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