TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26

[concentric]

IMO - I still maintain that the scream took place after Holly was taken away and closer to the neighbor's house, than the Bobo's and that is why the neighbor heard it and Clint may not have.

 

[Chili Fries]

The scream does make more sense to place it earlier, but I am just not able to convince myself that that a scream so loud it reached a neighbor that isn't even that close to the house and was loud and clear enough to alarm that neighbor into calling someone's mom and/or 911 didn't wake CB at all from...what? 10-20 feet away? Would a barking dog even wake him up if the scream didn't?

I think many of know firsthand how it's impossible to sleep when a dog starts going nuts about something it sees or hears outside. If Holly screamed once and was outside the house I can understand how that can be slept through but a dog going crazy and barking incessantly is going to wake you up. Not saying that I'm sure the scream took place when Clint was asleep but it make sense to me that it could have happened that way.

 

[Dogface]

For example, if the stories are not contradictory or confusing, how come we did not know until the other day that Clint saw camo man TWICE, and that camo man and Holly were in the garage and that things reported to have been found outside like the blood were also inside.

Wow, I must have missed this piece of info! So blood was found in the home?

 

[Darcyline]

I think many of know firsthand how it's impossible to sleep when a dog starts going nuts about something it sees or hears outside. If Holly screamed once and was outside the house I can understand how that can be slept through but a dog going crazy and barking incessantly is going to wake you up. Not saying that I'm sure the scream took place when Clint was asleep but it make sense to me that it could have happened that way.

I understand that, but the closest neighbor is really far away. It isn't suburbia where houses are right next to each other. I want to say a local or someone good with maps said the nearest neighbor may even be at least a quarter of a mile away. A scream would have to be very, very loud, long, and terrifying for it to reach a neighbor that far away and so clearly that they would be alarmed by it. So, it is hard for me to believe that a neighbor that is really far away could clearly hear her scream that it would have been even louder for someone who is only a few feet away. It just makes more sense to me that the scream had to happen after they walked away or whatever other mode of transportation they used and after doing so were closer to the neighbor's house. I guess I cannot show pictures of this, but my barn is within sight of my house. Me standing at the barn and shrieking at the top of my lungs did not bring any family members coming one time because the sound didn't carry. Now imagine that scream having to reach someone clearly who is much, much further than right there in eyesight.

Sorry I am so fixated on the scream-it is just another part of the story that I would like clarified perhaps by the neighbor over CB himself.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

You make some excellent points Carla.

Honestly we don't know when the scream occurred relative to Clint waking up, but I just put it before because it probably makes sense then.

Do we really think Holly's abductor was in the house? [Seems obvious that the garage he's talking about is what we are calling the carport. It's the only place attached to the house where cars can be parked. Being open it's a place where silhouettes can be logically be seen from inside the house.]

If it was the carport, wouldn't Clint be able to see more than just silhouettes?

Does Clint ever say the silhouettes were even a male and female? Wouldn't he be able to determine this, especially if he saw them in the carport. Then my question would be why call mom when he could tell it was his sister?

I just think if Clint was able to SEE 2 Silhouettes, he should have been able to make out one of the forms as his sister, thereby making the call to his mother unnecessar

 

[cluciano63]

He may not mean "silhouettes" the way we imagine...he may just mean two figures, two bodies, two people and it was not clear who they were...I am not really picturing black on white here, like his image would create...

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I've posted over and over again that I think Clint said "garage" when he meant "carport" on the recent JVM program.

In the JVM interview Clint is very clear about it occuring inside the garage. JVM questioned him about inside/outside and he said IN the Garage and the Garage was attached to the house.

The Garage and the Carport seem to be two different parts of the house. The carport being in back.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

BBM:

With all due respect, we do not know who is, or has been, onsite. We do know that LE reads here.

The area surrounding the home is of great importance, imo. Thus the specificity of direction of travel.

Perhaps someone could pull up the plat; and help determine from that what the possibilities are re: statements made, and possible routes of travel?

Its silly we are arguing over semantics of what constitutes North in a general, fairly vague, mostly theoretical discussion.

Clint said they went North. So I said they went North... I don't know what the big deal with that is, honestly? If you want to think they went South, or West or East North East then thats ok too. Perhaps you can provide us with a good map, property survey, etc. that has better directions to go on?

:banghead:

 

[Carla Lashelle]

He may not mean "silhouettes" the way we imagine...he may just mean two figures, two bodies, two people and it was not clear who they were...I am not really picturing black on white here, like his image would create...

Clint was kinda fuzzy here... he said he could not identify the silhouettes and heard unfamiliar voices, but then he said it was (what he thought) was Holly and Drew in the garage. He doesn't clarify how he went from vague silhouettes to assuming it was Holly and Drew and that they were kneeling down over a supposed turkey. Becasue then he said he called his mom to ask who was in the garage... as if he didn't know. Which goes back to why I wondered why he didnt just look closer...

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Wow, I must have missed this piece of info! So blood was found in the home?

Well indoors... inside the enclosed garage. Again what they call the garage has been converted into interior living space and is not a car garage. One of the now departed regulars here said, in fact, that while it was indoor living space it was still called "the garage". If you look at the photos of the front of the hosue, or my sketches, you can see the converted garage area with windows where the original garage doors would ahve been.

Probably there is a back door off the car port that leads to the back area of the garage, which would be how camo man got into that part of the house.

 

[BeanE]

Well indoors... inside the enclosed garage. Again what they call the garage has been converted into interior living space and is not a car garage. One of the now departed regulars here said, in fact, that while it was indoor living space it was still called "the garage". If you look at the photos of the front of the hosue, or my sketches, you can see the converted garage area with windows where the original garage doors would ahve been.

Probably there is a back door off the car port that leads to the back area of the garage, which would be how camo man got into that part of the house.

Aha! I wasn't considering that. I've been thinking the part behind the 'living space' converted garage. But now that you mention you're thinking inside the 'living space' part, I'm wondering if that's where the early phrase 'home invasion' came from!

 

[~n/t~]

IMO - I still maintain that the scream took place after Holly was taken away and closer to the neighbor's house, than the Bobo's and that is why the neighbor heard it and Clint may not have.

Why would the neighbour call KB at work if she heard a scream in the woods? Could Holly have yelled out for Clint?

 

[MLE]

I stopped reading about this case a couple of months ago since there was so much misinformation, so I'd like to check in and ask if the police ever leveled with the public or are they still gameplaying and confusing everyone?

 

[Peepers]

Why is there so little info still?? Granted I dont live in TN so I have no idea whats going on locally, just what we read and have to self interpret. If my kid was missing, I would have Nancy Grace on speed dial.
Everyone is too quiet.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Aha! I wasn't considering that. I've been thinking the part behind the 'living space' converted garage. But now that you mention you're thinking inside the 'living space' part, I'm wondering if that's where the early phrase 'home invasion' came from!

RIGHT

A lot of this goes wayyyyyyyyy back to the very first reports that said Holly was assaulted in her garage, or dragged across the car port into the woods. I suppose there was no dragging but things did happen in the garage and car port area, although it has taken 4 months for that to work itsway back into the story.

Also this is why I wonder why Clint didnt look more closely into the "garage" as its seemingly just another room in the house. Calling Mom to ask who was in the garage would be about like calling mom to ask who was in the living room or the bathroom.

 

[~n/t~]

RIGHT

A lot of this goes wayyyyyyyyy back to the very first reports that said Holly was assaulted in her garage, or dragged across the car port into the woods. I suppose there was no dragging but things did happen in the garage and car port area, although it has taken 4 months for that to work itsway back into the story.

I wonder why it was kept hush hush until now?

 

[wfgodot]

I stopped reading about this case a couple of months ago since there was so much misinformation, so I'd like to check in and ask if the police ever leveled with the public or are they still gameplaying and confusing everyone?

No, and yes.

 

[wfgodot]

Why is there so little info still?? Granted I dont live in TN so I have no idea whats going on locally, just what we read and have to self interpret. If my kid was missing, I would have Nancy Grace on speed dial.
Everyone is too quiet.

In Tennessee, there is alleged to be a law making it okay for police to withhold evidence in an ongoing case from family members, who are also victims - in this case, of a missing daughter and sister.

 

[cluciano63]

I wish I felt that LE's total silence was due to a top secret, ever-moving forward investigation that is about to be wrapped up...but not feeling it, personally. The sounds of silence to me resemble a prideful LE that won't ask for help, won't admit any possible early mistakes and won't share the most basic of info with the family. Some see that as LE not being able to rule out the family, but to me it is a power thing; clearly, Mrs. B keeps being told it is the "law" that TBI does not have to tell her anything as she has said that twice. That is a pretty brutal thing to tell a mom. The way she says it makes me think that is exactly how they are saying it to her, i.e. "we don't have to tell you anything."

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I wonder why it was kept hush hush until now?

Well as near as I can figure, LE did not want the suspect to know that Clint was close to him in the garage/house. So they just published the very last part of the story where Clint saw them walking away. Now, I have to wonder what other parts of the story have been redacted or obscured, as even in its current version there are a Lot of holes... I wonder if Clint did not see more? Although if he saw the suspect in greater detail, I would assume that info would have been made public. Perhaps they were trying to see if Clint could recall more with hypnosis, etc.?

I don't know if you followed the story from day one, but original reports of what happened wrere much more like what came out in the JVM inverview than the edited, sanitized, corrected version that was held out for the last 3 months.