Two mothers: a picture is worth a thousand words

[PDXMom]

Oh dear.....3 out of 10 right. It said if I needed my computer fixed I wouldn't know whether to run for it.

 

[mmmagique]

Thank you JBean, my point exactly. Sometimes a picture is not worth a thousand words.

But a video can be even more telling, no?
Remember Casey Anthony on the steps, wiping her eyes over and over, with not a tear shed?
How about Susan Smith? Did anyone get a weird feeling when she was speaking? I know I did.
Diane Downs was always creepy as heck, so I guess that's not a good analogy...then again, maybe it is...

And while, it would be wrong to take just the video (and especially just a picture) and use it to point to your beliefs in toto, they do help (along with the many other things we discuss here) to paint a picture of a woman who is guilty of something so heinous none of us really want to believe it.

How odd it would be if we find out later that Terri was doing and saying all those things in a vaccum. If she did not do something to that little boy (who trusted and loved her) she's giving an awfully good impression of someone who did.

 

[scotslass]

Not sure i see evil in Th's eyes in the first picture but i do believe the eyes are a window to our souls. A lot of victims of rape, assault or trauma are often haunted by the perps eyes.

I also have seen the change in someones appearance especially the eyes during behavioural shifts and it can be quite sudden. They can look like a different person altogether and under certain circumstances quite malevolent.

Common phrases in our language also point to this ..She gave me the evil eye, she shot daggers at me, he looked right through me, shifty eyes , beady eyes , lifeless eyes.

so yeah i think we can tell a lot about a persons emotion by their eyes and while i may not call it good versus evil. It is generally a tool used for gaging emotion. Whether it may be anger, fear, sadness, happiness, arousal etc

Good versus evil is really just another expression for positive vs negative IMO..

So now i am curious to look at Th's eyes more closely during that intial pressure and see if there are clues that show a different emotion than the one she was trying to portray.. It is a valid observation well IMO

 

[Billylee]

But a video can be even more telling, no?
Remember Casey Anthony on the steps, wiping her eyes over and over, with not a tear shed?
How about Susan Smith? Did anyone get a weird feeling when she was speaking? I know I did.
Diane Downs was always creepy as heck, so I guess that's not a good analogy...then again, maybe it is...

And while, it would be wrong to take just the video (and especially just a picture) and use it to point to your beliefs in toto, they do help (along with the many other things we discuss here) to paint a picture of a woman who is guilty of something so heinous none of us really want to believe it.

How odd it would be if we find out later that Terri was doing and saying all those things in a vaccum. If she did not do something to that little boy (who trusted and loved her) she's giving an awfully good impression of someone who did.

Correct, Terri was certainly not living in a vacuum, all the more reason to look to her space and whom was in her immediate proximity.

I wish that, just for a moment, we would take a step back. Every person you are referring to in your post has been found guilty, yes? Have you never heard those kinds of things said about someone who turned out to be innocent?

Not sure why there seems to be such a rush to judgment in this case. We all want Kyron found. We all want him to be loved, appreciated and cared for. Many of us would take him in ourselves in a NYminute and put him under our protective wings, maybe that's it, IDK, but I see a huge rush to judgment here.


JMO, When I first saw that first family presser, June 11, all of the parents behavior looked suspect to me. As most of us who were following the case back then agreed, why on earth did they wait a week to come forward to plead for their son's return.? It was all weird. I can't go into why or whom I think looked weird, but that's okay. I can say this now, and it can explain Terri's demeanor, Terri had been through multiple hour long interviews with LE by then, (up to 5 hours at a time from what I understand). She looks like a puppy looking for nothing more than approval to me. Someone who's saying "please don't throw me under the bus, don't throw me off the team, I didn't have anything to do with it".

Now, that's just what I see, as in JBean's example above, some will see different. So what? Doesn't get us any closer to finding Kyron. I want to know what the task force is doing? What have they found? To heck with all this other stuff, but then, that's JMO.

 

[Kimster]

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[mmmagique]

Correct, Terri was certainly not living in a vacuum, all the more reason to look to her space and whom was in her immediate proximity.

I wish that, just for a moment, we would take a step back. Every person you are referring to in your post has been found guilty, yes? Have you never heard those kinds of things said about someone who turned out to be innocent?

Not sure why there seems to be such a rush to judgment in this case. We all want Kyron found. We all want him to be loved, appreciated and cared for. Many of us would take him in ourselves in a NYminute and put him under our protective wings, maybe that's it, IDK, but I see a huge rush to judgment here.


JMO, When I first saw that first family presser, June 11, all of the parents behavior looked suspect to me. As most of us who were following the case back then agreed, why on earth did they wait a week to come forward to plead for their son's return.? It was all weird. I can't go into why or whom I think looked weird, but that's okay. I can say this now, and it can explain Terri's demeanor, Terri had been through multiple hour long interviews with LE by then, (up to 5 hours at a time from what I understand). She looks like a puppy looking for nothing more than approval to me. Someone who's saying "please don't throw me under the bus, don't throw me off the team, I didn't have anything to do with it".

Now, that's just what I see, as in JBean's example above, some will see different. So what? Doesn't get us any closer to finding Kyron. I want to know what the task force is doing? What have they found? To heck with all this other stuff, but then, that's JMO.

If there's a big whole in the birthday cake and my dog has chocolate whiskers, I don't spend a lot of time interviewing the cats! *lol*

I understand what you're saying, and your beliefs are just as valid as anyone else's. We just see things differently.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Thank you JBean, my point exactly. Sometimes a picture is not worth a thousand words.

A picture may not be but a human beings eyes are a window into their souls and it is definitely true that just as kindness can be seen in someones eyes, so too can evil, my point exactly...

 

[Adrienne37]

I wish that, just for a moment, we would take a step back. Every person you are referring to in your post has been found guilty, yes? Have you never heard those kinds of things said about someone who turned out to be innocent?

Not sure why there seems to be such a rush to judgment in this case. We all want Kyron found. We all want him to be loved, appreciated and cared for. Many of us would take him in ourselves in a NYminute and put him under our protective wings, maybe that's it, IDK, but I see a huge rush to judgment here.

To the best of my knowledge, Casey Anthony hasn't been found guilty. Her trial isn't supposed to start until 2011.

As for your statement regarding being unsure as to why there seems to be such a rush of judgment in this case, I don't believe there are many here who have rushed to judgment so perhaps you could kindly point that out for me. With each passing day, it seems as though more and more information is discussed and it's very easy to see just how guilty she really is.

As much as I want Kyron found, I want the person who is responsible for his disappearance locked up so they will never have the opportunity to harm another child and I believe that person is Terri Horman. Furthermore, Terri's behavior at the one and only press conference that she participated in was bad enough to begin with but now it is completely disgusting for me to watch after reading the garbage that she sent in text messages while she was married and while her stepson was missing. All I can say in that regard is I'm thankful that the photos that she took of herself aren't on display all over the internet.

Additionally, both of the other women that you spoke about in your original post all MURDERED THEIR CHILDREN because they couldn't live the life they wanted and be saddled with children so obviously it was much easier for them to murder them instead of giving them up for adoption or turning them over to their biological parent. Terri happens to fit rather nicely in the same category as Susan Smith, Dianna Downs, and Casey Anthony, murderers with absolutely no conscience or thought about anyone else around them. It was all about ME, ME, ME. Again, I can't state enough that I'm thankful that Kaine had the wisdom to get baby K out of her care because she likely would have ended up as just another statistic. ~JMO~

 

[Donjeta]

I'm probably goofy as all get-out, but I replicated Terri's pose in those pictures - specifically the one where she is holding one arm near the elbow. I don't want to influence anyone by saying what I think, but try it.

I was immediately brought back in the doctor's office, and felt like I had just been drawn blood or given an injection of something in the vein inside of the elbow. The nurse instructed, "put some pressure here so it won't start to bleed", hence the thumb. :twocents:

 

[pufnstuf]

It shows me a grieving family. I would like to see the full view of that exact shot that is being displayed. I have looked at the website and see nothing in all 4 of them standing in that particular zoomed in picture of TH,KH and DY... All I see is TH, and KY embrassing a Mother of a missing son and their missing son as well..And TY too... At the end of the day, matters not what I think I see...it's the family's feelings and far be it from me to judge otherwise...

I agree. It's the family's feelings. And here's what the family was feeling leading up to, and on that June 11 afternoon:

As night fell, the search continued outside Skyline School with flashlights and dogs, but something was also brewing inside the Hormans' house, where all four parents were gathered together: Kaine and Terry, Desiree and Tony. Tony has had a unique perspective from day one. He's not only Kyron's stepfather, he's also a police detective back in Medford. And tonight, he's speaking out for the first time.

TONY YOUNG: I was watching the investigation right from the start.

Tony says that first night, because he knows so much about how police operate, he was walking the family through what to expect.

TONY YOUNG: I explained to each person that now our lives are not private anymore, that the investigators are going to want to know very detailed information about our lives.

That's when Tony noticed something unsettling. He says Terri, Kyron's stepmom, seemed to bristle at the idea that she would be questioned.

TONY YOUNG: She instantly started to express some displeasure at that, and not wanting—feeling like she was persecuted. And I thought that was kind of an unusual reaction that early.


AND:


Members of the family stood side by side, a unified front – but look closely and you can see some interesting body language between Kyron's mother, Desiree, on the left in the sweater, and his stepmother, Terri.

KATE SNOW: She reached—she put her arm around you at one point?

DESIREE YOUNG: Mm-hmm.

KATE SNOW: And you kind of seemed to maybe stiffen a little bit.

DESIREE YOUNG: I don't know. It's a little strange for your ex-husband's new wife to be hugging you and caressing you. It just seemed strange to me.

Much more about their early suspicions, before that press conference, at this link.

 

[pufnstuf]

Thanks! That was fun! Eight out of ten!

p.s. It says "it seems you know your java beans from your fava beans" *lol*

Of course Berkowitz was a "gimme"

"9/10 You'd spot Hannibal Lector in seconds at an Open Source conference. Your liver's safe."

 

[Michael25]

TONY YOUNG: I explained to each person that now our lives are not private anymore, that the investigators are going to want to know very detailed information about our lives.

That's when Tony noticed something unsettling. He says Terri, Kyron's stepmom, seemed to bristle at the idea that she would be questioned.

TONY YOUNG: She instantly started to express some displeasure at that, and not wanting—feeling like she was persecuted. And I thought that was kind of an unusual reaction that early.

Thanks for bringing this up again, pufnstuf. I don't know about the rest of you, but this stuck with me pretty early on. JMO.

 

[Beatrice]

http://i51.tinypic.com/281rnnd.jpg

 

[ami]

crying , swollen eyes , no rest, stress, no make up...I dunno..my eyes swell and look goofy when I cry a lot...not to say that is what it is, just a observation on my part..

I actually don't think Terri looks like she was crying in the PC images. Her eyes don't look red or swollen, and her skin looks 'powdery' as if she's wearing face makeup a shade or two lighter than her natural skin tone - even under her eyes.

I mean her facial expression is "sad" but her eyes don't look wet or red or anything: http://i51.tinypic.com/281rnnd.jpg

The area under her eyes isn't shiny or damp or smeared. Her upper lids look similar to the way they look in other pics.

DY's face looks like someone crying. Tears, damp under eyes, red shiny nose, all the 'normal' things one generally experiences when crying.

I don't think Terri's lack of tears indicate guilt in itself - Kaine wasn't overtly crying, nor was Tony, but neither of the men were acting as if they were with the kleenex and the wiping gestures, either.

 

[CarrieBean]

I know I sure can't read a person by a photo. I always wonder why i don't get get pulled in at the border once they see my passport photo (one of those pics where you have yours eyes wide open so you don't blink and look like you're on crack, but look like your on speed instead). Actually, all my photo ID cards make me look like I was just booked into the city jail.

I gotta say though, that my impression of TH during that first presser was that it appeared she was over-acting. I was one of the ones who, up til that point, thought she was innocent (looking at the family photos and all).

 

[2goldfish]

Exactly Emma. The first sign I notice when someone is pregnant is them putting their hand on their belly just like that...That to me was the most heartwrenching body language of the video...Her baby is not safe where he should be...Her womb aches...

snipped by me... I noticed this in the video of zahra baker's mother visiting the memorial (in front of the house). reminded me of this immediately as it's such poignant body language. as a mother it's so painful for me to see.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Thank you JBean, my point exactly. Sometimes a picture is not worth a thousand words.

All human beings can read body language to an extent, though, since we are social creatures. Some people are better at it than others, it's true, but that doesn't mean you have to be an expert to have a hinky meter that spins in the direction of the truth.

Lots of people picked up on Scott Peterson's weird hinky behavior just from videos long before he was a suspect.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I was searching through OregonLive's archives for stuff about Sauvie Island and came across this picture, which I think is worth a thousand words.

Desiree = Tears
Terri = Dry cheeks, no tears, nothing. She's holding a kleenex, in my opinion, for show.

Terri does look worried, but is it about Kyron or herself? :furious:

 

[Adrienne37]

I was searching through OregonLive's archives for stuff about Sauvie Island and came across this picture, which I think is worth a thousand words.

Desiree = Tears
Terri = Dry cheeks, no tears, nothing. She's holding a kleenex, in my opinion, for show.

Terri does look worried, but is it about Kyron or herself? :furious:

It definitely wasn't for Kyron. ~JMO~ but she is worried that people are believing her and she is trying to act like a grieving parent should.

 

[pufnstuf]

THIS photo. To me she looks like she's trying her best not to break out in a smile.