UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #19

[Blonderabbit]

There is no need to I believe you

It’s ok - I think it would be good to refresh my memory

 

[Popejohn3]

I have looked at it again, I see where you are coming from but it is still a stretch for me. This is a busy road, you could not have a body lying there at that time of night without being seen. It's very implausible to me, images are too vague, they are not going to help catch anyone.

But definitely worth a second look

 

[Popejohn3]

Although I'm recognizing mostly very little only, I want to express my thoughts: If I see an arm and it is the same arm from the pictures above that ^^ post, then there isn't someone knocking on the door, no matter if Claudia or another person. In the pictures before, the naked arm belonged to one person, who was very near at least two more people, identified as possible JK plus one other. If these three people are "around the naked arm", Claudia's door has to be open for enough space. I think so. - Does anybody see, if the door is within the picture (of the tumult) and if the door is open or closed??
ETA: The naked arm within "the tumult":

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Is that a tattoo on his

Although I'm recognizing mostly very little only, I want to express my thoughts: If I see an arm and it is the same arm from the pictures above that ^^ post, then there isn't someone knocking on the door, no matter if Claudia or another person. In the pictures before, the naked arm belonged to one person, who was very near at least two more people, identified as possible JK plus one other. If these three people are "around the naked arm", Claudia's door has to be open for enough space. I think so. - Does anybody see, if the door is within the picture (of the tumult) and if the door is open or closed??
ETA: The naked arm within "the tumult":

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is that a tatto I can see on his right arm biceps ?

 

[SanT88]

Can you send me exactly the link please? And roughly at what point in the footage you see it. I know I'll be able to find it when looking at it. Well done. Thank you for making a positive effort

The image I put the red circles on is a screen shot of one of the earlier posts showing stills from the upper deck bus camera (I think that’s correct). I’d love to find the actual higher up footage and not just the stills. I can’t find it anywhere.

 

[shadwell]

Is there video footage of the higher positioned bus camera? Or just stills?

Just these three stills published, but NYP would likely still have the video.

 

[shadwell]

I agree with your comments @shadwell . For crime watch to include her being given a lift by a person called Jo and shown as female in the reconstruction, the police would have had to sign of the crime watch reconstruction and so I do believe that she was given a lift.
The childminder seeing her could of course have been on a different day.

Yup. Crimewatch reconstructions were always made in close cooperation with police and went to great lengths to ensure every detail was correct in as far as it was known at the time.

 

[BryterLayter]

Everyone seems to have disappeared. I remember watching an appeal featuring Jk she was saying she often cleaned Claudias windows - I wonder if she cleaned the floor outside the windows as well!!

Sorry if you disagree about the comments on the images but that still does not make them any clearer. You can try and interpret them if you want to, that is your prerogative. I am trying to be the voice of reason here.

Hopefully the police can relook at the upper deck video footage thanks to the hard work going on here by superb sleuths

 

[shadwell]

So. Looking again this morning at the Mirror composite, the offside wing of the Ranger is not looking so interesting - what I thought might be a figure is now looking more like the light and shadow of the other vehicle parked (close) in front of the Ranger.

WRT to the possible body lying on the pavement - to my eye it appears in a place in the image where I would expect to see the bonnet of the Ranger and looks too small to be a person. I’m thinking more likely a reflection in the Ranger bonnet of the house frontages.

A couple of things I do note looking again:

Top centre in the top left image - something appears to be obscuring the lower edge of the window frame of number 46. There is a brick pillar there, but this looks taller and more irregular in shape.

Top and bottom left images - I often get the impression that the door of number 48 is open. There is a low wall there which might cause this effect, but the left side of the frame seems to extend down beyond it and the apparent angle of the letterbox (top left image particularly) and door panels/windows suggest the door fully open (see composite and October 2009 streetview below).

 

[Ergs]

FWIW, a couple of points about the bus CCTV and the Ranger:

1. I commented previously that from looking again at the bus CCTV Ranger appeared to be closer to the Nag’s than 46 HR - another look at the stills published early on before it was eliminated appear to confirm this (composite from the Mirror attached below). It is actually parked in front of number 50 - the white metal gatepost of number 50 appearing on the left as a vertical yellow streak in the top right and left images roughly in line with the rear wheels and the blue door of number 48 appearing in the bottom left image in line with the bonnet. So far, so mundane...

2. The still images are from another (higher) camera on the same bus (see timestamp) but much clearer than the cctv issued in the Astra appeal and apparently with a faster frame rate (frames in order of capture: top right; top left; bottom left). So not only did this camera allow identification of the Ranger, it would also have captured several frames of the vehicle in front of it and anything going on on the pavement outside number 46 at the time.

Mirror composite and October 2009 streetview images below.

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The SUV is parked on the pavement? Forcing people to cross over?

 

[leuraman]

So. Looking again this morning at the Mirror composite, the offside wing of the Ranger is not looking so interesting - what I thought might be a figure is now looking more like the light and shadow of the other vehicle parked (close) in front of the Ranger.

WRT to the possible body lying on the pavement - to my eye it appears in a place in the image where I would expect to see the bonnet of the Ranger and looks too small to be a person. I’m thinking more likely a reflection in the Ranger bonnet of the house frontages.

A couple of things I do note looking again:

Top centre in the top left image - something appears to be obscuring the lower edge of the window frame of number 46. There is a brick pillar there, but this looks taller and more irregular in shape.

Top and bottom left images - I often get the impression that the door of number 48 is open. There is a low wall there which might cause this effect, but the left side of the frame seems to extend down beyond it and the apparent angle of the letterbox (top left image particularly) and door panels/windows suggest the door fully open (see composite and October 2009 streetview below).


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Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Ergs]

So. Looking again this morning at the Mirror composite, the offside wing of the Ranger is not looking so interesting - what I thought might be a figure is now looking more like the light and shadow of the other vehicle parked (close) in front of the Ranger.

WRT to the possible body lying on the pavement - to my eye it appears in a place in the image where I would expect to see the bonnet of the Ranger and looks too small to be a person. I’m thinking more likely a reflection in the Ranger bonnet of the house frontages.

A couple of things I do note looking again:

Top centre in the top left image - something appears to be obscuring the lower edge of the window frame of number 46. There is a brick pillar there, but this looks taller and more irregular in shape.

Top and bottom left images - I often get the impression that the door of number 48 is open. There is a low wall there which might cause this effect, but the left side of the frame seems to extend down beyond it and the apparent angle of the letterbox (top left image particularly) and door panels/windows suggest the door fully open (see composite and October 2009 streetview below).


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Where would CL Normally park?

 

[shadwell]

Where would CL Normally park?

I would guess somewhere around the back on Heworth Place - Heworth Road is/was a clearway 8am-6pm. This would also be a possible innocent explanation for the alley man cctv sightings - someone going from a house on HR to retrieve something from their car via the (lit) street rather than the (unlit) back alley, though obviously the fact that nobody came forward to say it was them weighs against this.

 

[Tri-Lambda delta]

The image I put the red circles on is a screen shot of one of the earlier posts showing stills from the upper deck bus camera (I think that’s correct). I’d love to find the actual higher up footage and not just the stills. I can’t find it anywhere.

Is there a second BUS CCTV tape from the upper deck that was not released? Or a library of the upper deck data? Anyone have a link??

 

[susie sixpence]

Is there a second BUS CCTV tape from the upper deck that was not released? Or a library of the upper deck data? Anyone have a link??

It might have just been a single deck, most regular services are operated by double deckers in the busy daytime and single deckers in the evening and night time.

 

[shadwell]

Is there a second BUS CCTV tape from the upper deck that was not released? Or a library of the upper deck data? Anyone have a link??

These were the only images made public as part of an appeal to identify the driver of the Ranger who (IIRC) came forward quickly and was eliminated from the inquiry.

 

[Blonderabbit]

So. Looking again this morning at the Mirror composite, the offside wing of the Ranger is not looking so interesting - what I thought might be a figure is now looking more like the light and shadow of the other vehicle parked (close) in front of the Ranger.

WRT to the possible body lying on the pavement - to my eye it appears in a place in the image where I would expect to see the bonnet of the Ranger and looks too small to be a person. I’m thinking more likely a reflection in the Ranger bonnet of the house frontages.

A couple of things I do note looking again:

Top centre in the top left image - something appears to be obscuring the lower edge of the window frame of number 46. There is a brick pillar there, but this looks taller and more irregular in shape.

Top and bottom left images - I often get the impression that the door of number 48 is open. There is a low wall there which might cause this effect, but the left side of the frame seems to extend down beyond it and the apparent angle of the letterbox (top left image particularly) and door panels/windows suggest the door fully open (see composite and October 2009 streetview below).


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Hi, the body is within the perimeter of the low wall outside Claudias house - I’m convinced this is her, I’ve shown it to a few people and I’ve not had anyone suggest it’s not. I think possible what’s happened is they have been moving her body and seen the bus - hiding it there whilst they close the door/maybe the door was closed. This is it - if you can dig out anything more around this point I think it’s in the bag.

 

[Popejohn3]

Hi, the body is within the perimeter of the low wall outside Claudias house - I’m convinced this is her, I’ve shown it to a few people and I’ve not had anyone suggest it’s not. I think possible what’s happened is they have been moving her body and seen the bus - hiding it there whilst they close the door/maybe the door was closed. This is it - if you can dig out anything more around this point I think it’s in the bag.

The bus also stopped cctv opposite from doing its job .

 

[shadwell]

Hi, the body is within the perimeter of the low wall outside Claudias house - I’m convinced this is her, I’ve shown it to a few people and I’ve not had anyone suggest it’s not. I think possible what’s happened is they have been moving her body and seen the bus - hiding it there whilst they close the door/maybe the door was closed. This is it - if you can dig out anything more around this point I think it’s in the bag.

I’m not seeing it. My take below:

 

[Ergs]

These were the only images made public as part of an appeal to identify the driver of the Ranger who (IIRC) came forward quickly and was eliminated from the inquiry.

Any thoughts why the Ranger was there ….parked on the pavement?

there for 30 minutes.

 

[Ergs]

I’m not seeing it. My take below:

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Anyone clever enough to check the height of the white box in the two photos. Image from the bus looks like the box is higher?