UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #4

[MajorLang]

BBM

I was going to mention this. If they have been complicit in a crime, why have neither of them ever been named as suspects or been questioned? The more l think about this case, the less it makes sense.

Is it not standard practice that when arrested they are not named? Press have done this though for the police.

It is upon charge that they can be named. They were never charged but only arrested.

 

[MajorLang]

Claudia Lawrence’s friends in BBC show appeal

Not sure l remember seeing this article before.

'But her best friend, Suzy Cooper, is determined not to give up hope of finding the 35-year-old alive.

Together with three other friends, Jen King, Pete Ruane and George Forman – landlord of the Nags Head pub – she has recorded an interview to be screened on BBC 1’s Missing Live programme on Friday, at 9.15am.'

So GF is a 'friend's then.

'“The four of us get together most nights to go over and over everything we know, but we just can’t come up with anything,” she said.

“I can’t think of anybody who would want to harm her or make her life difficult.'


I think NYP know who dark man is, and everyone local knows who dark man is, and he is 'apparently ' married with children. So possibly the casual acquaintance Claudia was meeting up with in Acomb in the weeks leading up to her disappearance. But proving it is a different matter.

Yes
George Foreman-Landlord was a good friend of CL and PR Etc. He left the Nags a few years later and his marriage broke up. His wife was often unhappy about the lock inns that would regularly take place-It is only my opinion but I do feel George may know something, he is not involved and has had the sense to move away whilst others have stayed. Perhaps to protect their manor and control any gossip?

Yes the Dark Person is likely in a strong marriage with two grown up and away from the nesters-He probably had more to lose from any revelation.

 

[MajorLang]

I feel it may simply be the 'family' connection amongst them. Perhaps DR did only drink in the sports bar, but that's not to say that CL may have on occassions drank in their too?

Particularly during a lock in

 

[Eve71]

BBM

I was going to mention this. If they have been complicit in a crime, why have neither of them ever been named as suspects or been questioned? The more l think about this case, the less it makes sense.

It’s all very odd and kind of throws the love triangle motive out the window. Both women must have had solid alibis but that doesn’t mean they are not aware of what happened. That’s if the four are guilty of course.
Didn’t JK have her bins searched at some point ?

 

[x_caz_x]

I would love everyone's thought's on this...Dark Alley way man...

If police are saying that they know who this man is, why keep those images in the public eye?
Do they need further witnesses to collaborate this?
Has this man been arrested and questioned?
Perhaps they just need the why he was there?
I mentioned before the theory that Dark Alley way man could possibly be 2 different people, is that the reason the police still keep the CCTV images open and asking who they are?
Ultimately, it's the keeping of these images in the public eye that make us believe that whatever happened to Claudia, happened due to someone she knows.

If these were 'normal' comings and goings, then stranger abduction would be highly likely, so why have police ruled out the possibility of Halliwell?

 

[MajorLang]

It’s all very odd and kind of throws the love triangle motive out the window. Both women must have had solid alibis but that doesn’t mean they are not aware of what happened. That’s if the four are guilty of course.
Didn’t JK have her bins searched at some point ?

Suzy had her bins searched 4 months after CL disappeared but I'm sure other people bins were searched also

 

[Popejohn3]

Claudia Lawrence’s friends in BBC show appeal

Not sure l remember seeing this article before.

'But her best friend, Suzy Cooper, is determined not to give up hope of finding the 35-year-old alive.

Together with three other friends, Jen King, Pete Ruane and George Forman – landlord of the Nags Head pub – she has recorded an interview to be screened on BBC 1’s Missing Live programme on Friday, at 9.15am.'

So GF is a 'friend's then.

'“The four of us get together most nights to go over and over everything we know, but we just can’t come up with anything,” she said.

“I can’t think of anybody who would want to harm her or make her life difficult.'


I think NYP know who dark man is, and everyone local knows who dark man is, and he is 'apparently ' married with children. So possibly the casual acquaintance Claudia was meeting up with in Acomb in the weeks leading up to her disappearance. But proving it is a different matter.

Tha casual acquaintance is not the mystery boyfriend.

 

[Popejohn3]

BBM

I was going to mention this. If they have been complicit in a crime, why have neither of them ever been named as suspects or been questioned? The more l think about this case, the less it makes sense.

Don’t let it worry you too much, there are many important facts we are not privy to

 

[Popejohn3]

I would love everyone's thought's on this...Dark Alley way man...

If police are saying that they know who this man is, why keep those images in the public eye?
Do they need further witnesses to collaborate this?
Has this man been arrested and questioned?
Perhaps they just need the why he was there?
I mentioned before the theory that Dark Alley way man could possibly be 2 different people, is that the reason the police still keep the CCTV images open and asking who they are?
Ultimately, it's the keeping of these images in the public eye that make us believe that whatever happened to Claudia, happened due to someone she knows.

If these were 'normal' comings and goings, then stranger abduction would be highly likely, so why have police ruled out the possibility of Halliwell?

The police are NOT saying they know who he is

 

[Kiranerys]

Ok,I am just reading through the other thread so still playing catch up,but I have just read that JK ended up living with Claudia for a while,so its plausible she may have still had a key to her house?

 

[Eve71]

I would love everyone's thought's on this...Dark Alley way man...

If police are saying that they know who this man is, why keep those images in the public eye?
Do they need further witnesses to collaborate this?
Has this man been arrested and questioned?
Perhaps they just need the why he was there?
I mentioned before the theory that Dark Alley way man could possibly be 2 different people, is that the reason the police still keep the CCTV images open and asking who they are?
Ultimately, it's the keeping of these images in the public eye that make us believe that whatever happened to Claudia, happened due to someone she knows.

If these were 'normal' comings and goings, then stranger abduction would be highly likely, so why have police ruled out the possibility of Halliwell?

I’m sure I read somewhere the police didn’t look at the CCTV prior to Claudias disappearance so have nothing to compare it with.

 

[Eve71]

Suzy had her bins searched 4 months after CL disappeared but I'm sure other people bins were searched also

Thank you. What on Earth did they hope to find four months later?

 

[Eve71]

I would love everyone's thought's on this...Dark Alley way man...

If police are saying that they know who this man is, why keep those images in the public eye?
Do they need further witnesses to collaborate this?
Has this man been arrested and questioned?
Perhaps they just need the why he was there?
I mentioned before the theory that Dark Alley way man could possibly be 2 different people, is that the reason the police still keep the CCTV images open and asking who they are?
Ultimately, it's the keeping of these images in the public eye that make us believe that whatever happened to Claudia, happened due to someone she knows.

If these were 'normal' comings and goings, then stranger abduction would be highly likely, so why have police ruled out the possibility of Halliwell?

Im confused....isn’t dark alley man the landlord who passed away?

 

[Mrs Marple]

Is it not standard practice that when arrested they are not named? Press have done this though for the police.

It is upon charge that they can be named. They were never charged but only arrested.

And yet we all know who has been arrested on suspicion of what

Tha casual acquaintance is not the mystery boyfriend.

This is what l was getting at. Mystery boyfriend is unknown. Casual relationship is with a known and unlikely to be PR imho

Ok,I am just reading through the other thread so still playing catch up,but I have just read that JK ended up living with Claudia for a while,so its plausible she may have still had a key to her house?

Good point.

Im confused....isn’t dark alley man the landlord who passed away?

I think some people thought he was but he remains a POI. The CCTV is still on the NYP website.

 

[MajorLang]

Thank you. What on Earth did they hope to find four months later?

Suzy point as well

 

[Yozzer]

Does anyone have a theory as to why one of the POIs SR the brother of PR is involved. He was not known to have been a drinking buddy of those at the Nags.
Equally, does anyone have a theory about DR, again a POI, who whilst drank at the Nags, frequented the sports bar area, a different part of the pub? They were not reported to being "friends" of Claudia.

DR reported to the papers in 2018 that he had made a joke about having killed CL which was taken out of context and reported to police. They've got an odd sense of humour in the NH.

Tradesman, 55, quizzed over missing chef Claudia Lawrence says 'misunderstanding' made him a suspect | Daily Mail Online

 

[MajorLang]

I would love everyone's thought's on this...Dark Alley way man...

If police are saying that they know who this man is, why keep those images in the public eye?
Do they need further witnesses to collaborate this?
Has this man been arrested and questioned?
Perhaps they just need the why he was there?
I mentioned before the theory that Dark Alley way man could possibly be 2 different people, is that the reason the police still keep the CCTV images open and asking who they are?
Ultimately, it's the keeping of these images in the public eye that make us believe that whatever happened to Claudia, happened due to someone she knows.

If these were 'normal' comings and goings, then stranger abduction would be highly likely, so why have police ruled out the possibility of Halliwell?

If police are saying that they know who this man is, why keep those images in the public eye?

As if someone comes forward and says "Thats my Fred and he was out drinking on that night and didnt come home until 6 the next morning"-Then it may well screw his Alibi

Do they need further witnesses to collaborate this?
Possibly
Has this man been arrested and questioned?
We believe this to be the case
Perhaps they just need the why he was there?
Yes-Particularly if they have said "No Comment"

I mentioned before the theory that Dark Alley way man could possibly be 2 different people, is that the reason the police still keep the CCTV images open and asking who they are?
We don't know
Ultimately, it's the keeping of these images in the public eye that make us believe that whatever happened to Claudia, happened due to someone she knows.
We don't know what evidence they hold but now that at least 2 very experienced SIOs have spent thousands of hours going over the case, you would like to believe that they know better than we do.

If these were 'normal' comings and goings, then stranger abduction would be highly likely, so why have police ruled out the possibility of Halliwell?

Halliwells only real connection to this crime is 18th March the day his girlfriend finished with him-(Some say his father lived close to York, his dad was dead at this time) He abducted on this day-It would be very easy for police to neatly wrap this up and put a "Halliwell" stamp on the crime folder-But what if it wasnt him, thas not justice. If it was him im sure they would have closed the case by now.

 

[MajorLang]

DR reported to the papers in 2018 that he had made a joke about having killed CL which was taken out of context and reported to police. They've got an odd sense of humour in the NH.

Tradesman, 55, quizzed over missing chef Claudia Lawrence says 'misunderstanding' made him a suspect | Daily Mail Online

Would it not be more than that though. Im sure that if he was arrested for this statement and it then transpired he was joking and could provide an alibi, then he would have been bailed as quick as Geordie Mick.

 

[MajorLang]

And yet we all know who has been arrested on suspicion of what



This is what l was getting at. Mystery boyfriend is unknown. Casual relationship is with a known and unlikely to be PR imho



Good point.



I think some people thought he was but he remains a POI. The CCTV is still on the NYP website.

Im confused....isn’t dark alley man the landlord who passed away?

It was originaly though that it was a landlord of the properties of 11 and 13 Heworth Place. He died and was found 3 weeks after Claudia dissapeared. We don't know when he died though-It was a suspected heart attack. Possible this could point to being suspicious. I don't think that the police wanted to admit to their initial mistake once they had discovered the same person repeating the task of walking up Heworth Place and so they focused more on the second sighting discovered. There is often little mention of a person also on both cctv footage in a white jacket coat. For me this ties the two together as to be the same person,

 

[MajorLang]

I’m sure I read somewhere the police didn’t look at the CCTV prior to Claudias disappearance so have nothing to compare it with.

Im not sure if this is true. Normal practice would be to see if this was regular or new.