UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #7

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Was he in the UK at the time of CL's disappearance?
What make and model were the vans that were being transported from Scotland to Cyprus?
Here is an article on it. I don't buy the 'CL wanted to move to Cyprus' line. That sounds like holiday fantasy talk.
Shortly before Claudia vanished Robbie and three other friends came to the UK to pick up four vans, which they drove to Italy before putting them on ships for the sea trip to Cyprus.
Robbie said: ”When the police came over they asked me all about the trip. I said to them how could Claudia have got to the island without her passport, which was found in her home in York, and one of them jokingly said ‘in the back of your van’.
“We picked up the vans in Glasgow and I would have driven past York, but I didn’t stop and see Claudia.
“The police did all sorts of checks and saw us getting the vans on boats on CCTV. When she went missing I was driving between two ports in Greece.”

Missing Claudia Lawrence did not come to Cyprus 4 years ago, insist pals
 
Here is an article on it. I don't buy the 'CL wanted to move to Cyprus' line. That sounds like holiday fantasy talk.
Shortly before Claudia vanished Robbie and three other friends came to the UK to pick up four vans, which they drove to Italy before putting them on ships for the sea trip to Cyprus.
Robbie said: ”When the police came over they asked me all about the trip. I said to them how could Claudia have got to the island without her passport, which was found in her home in York, and one of them jokingly said ‘in the back of your van’.
“We picked up the vans in Glasgow and I would have driven past York, but I didn’t stop and see Claudia.
“The police did all sorts of checks and saw us getting the vans on boats on CCTV. When she went missing I was driving between two ports in Greece.”

Missing Claudia Lawrence did not come to Cyprus 4 years ago, insist pals

I am familiar with this article
I noted this is an 'exclusive' interview with the Express journalist was Robbie Campbell paid for it?
 
Popejohn3 I’m sorry but I honestly believe both of the sightings in the morning were that of Claudia and her abductor .The fact no one has ever came forward to claim it was them that speaks volumes .

Keep-it-real Like you I have to consider witness sighting seriously and I have plenty of questions I would like to ask those witnesses. [/QUOTE]

Regarding the couple seen at Melrosegate:

There is a person walking towards the university at approx 1m 51s on this video:
Last known movements of Claudia Lawrence

I always assumed it was a male but looking again at the gait and build, it could be a female in a waist length jacket. I don't believe it's CL because the hair length is too short IMO but it might account for the sighting reported at the substation which is about 5 mins earlier on that route. Police would be able to work out whether this would be possible from timings.
I am less surprised at the lack of response from the public to this sighting as it was in such a student-populated area of York; the local student population is very transient and would not necessarily tune into appeals as readily, particularly international students of which there were thousands. I guess what I am suggesting is that this could have been an 'innocent' encounter and if it was a drug deal, it is unlikely they would come forward willingly as many York Uni students have affluent parents funding their education who would not take kindly to learning that their offspring are engaging in illicit activity. IMO.[/QUOTE]
Robbie Campbell was in U.K. at the time of her disappearance and there has been no mention of the type of vans.
I understand that the trip commenced in Glasgow, Robbie's home town and proceeded down the west coast of UK. It is mentioned that Liverpool was a stopping off point???? (Later mentioned as the centre of a major drugs bust in 2019 that had been ongoing for many years).

Robbie states in the press article that whilst he passed York he didn't stop.
For them to pass York after stopping at Liverpool would suggest that they were heading for one of the South Easterly ports for departure.
Were they stopping gun Liverpool to collect something coming in from Ireland?
The other option would be a South Westerly port to Northern Spain / France.

The report talks about how they arrived at Cyprus via Italy.

Were there reasons for them making these stops:
Liverpool
Italy

I am unaware of the most direct sea route via scheduled shipping to Cyprus but were they going the long way round by stopping in Italy.
Liverpool is less of a detour as anyone heading to a South East port from Glasgow would do A74 / M6 / M1 then across through Cambridgeshire to either pick up M11 and southerly for South East Ports or through East Anglia for Felixstowe.


I wonder why they didn't use the Northerly port at Newcastle to Netherlands and through Belgium / Germany onwards to Italy?

Did the police look at the route and why they had chosen this route with the prescribed stop off points and did they inquire into why a Bar worker / owner was trading in vehicles?

Like so much of this case we are left in limbo when we ask ourselves if the police followed through on what we would assume was a direct line of investigation regarding a possible lead.
There may be reasons certain ports were used instead of other possibly more convenient ones especially if the people transporting the vans were possibly involved in illegal activities, perhaps these ports had a more lax approach to security of boarding and unboarding goods/vehicles or there network had connections at the port.
We are really looking for a connecting timeline here, CCTV would show those vans and boarding the Ferry. CCTV would show them departing the Ferry dates and times would confirm this if the people left those vehicles while aboard the ferry its likely they would be caught on CCTV too.
From this information we could calculate if there was enough time for any person/vehicle to be involved in CL's diasappearance before continueing their onward journey.

I haven seen many holiday snaps of CL's trips to Cyprus so a full length photo of RCampbell has eluded me, if anyone has one I would like to see it I want to see if compares in anyway to the alleyman.
 
Keep-it-real Like you I have to consider witness sighting seriously and I have plenty of questions I would like to ask those witnesses.

Regarding the couple seen at Melrosegate:

There is a person walking towards the university at approx 1m 51s on this video:
Last known movements of Claudia Lawrence

I always assumed it was a male but looking again at the gait and build, it could be a female in a waist length jacket. I don't believe it's CL because the hair length is too short IMO but it might account for the sighting reported at the substation which is about 5 mins earlier on that route. Police would be able to work out whether this would be possible from timings.
I am less surprised at the lack of response from the public to this sighting as it was in such a student-populated area of York; the local student population is very transient and would not necessarily tune into appeals as readily, particularly international students of which there were thousands. I guess what I am suggesting is that this could have been an 'innocent' encounter and if it was a drug deal, it is unlikely they would come forward willingly as many York Uni students have affluent parents funding their education who would not take kindly to learning that their offspring are engaging in illicit activity. IMO.[/QUOTE]


Like so much of this case we are left in limbo when we ask ourselves if the police followed through on what we would assume was a direct line of investigation regarding a possible lead.
There may be reasons certain ports were used instead of other possibly more convenient ones especially if the people transporting the vans were possibly involved in illegal activities, perhaps these ports had a more lax approach to security of boarding and unboarding goods/vehicles or there network had connections at the port.
We are really looking for a connecting timeline here, CCTV would show those vans and boarding the Ferry. CCTV would show them departing the Ferry dates and times would confirm this if the people left those vehicles while aboard the ferry its likely they would be caught on CCTV too.
From this information we could calculate if there was enough time for any person/vehicle to be involved in CL's diasappearance before continueing their onward journey.

I haven seen many holiday snaps of CL's trips to Cyprus so a full length photo of RCampbell has eluded me, if anyone has one I would like to see it I want to see if compares in anyway to the alleyman.[/QUOTE]
RC told police he was traveling between two ports in Greece when Cl disappeared .
Police would have checked that ,
Also the express article makes it clear that she was texting and communicating with both Steve and RC .
Jk would have been able to confirm Claudia detailed intentions for the Easter holiday.
She could have been planning to surprise both friends at the Island .
I think some of us ( including me ) are getting fixated with just one line of thinking same mistake the police did IMO
Far too many officers far too many reports for one person to take a decision and come to some conclusion.
How is the artificial intelligence computer coming along !? If only !
 
I’m getting confused here who ( one of us )said they have seen many holiday snaps of Cl
The opposite is more like !
Where are all the holiday snaps from all these trips to Cyprus and Cuba and Ireland too I believe?
 
I’m getting confused here who ( one of us )said they have seen many holiday snaps of Cl
The opposite is more like !
Where are all the holiday snaps from all these trips to Cyprus and Cuba and Ireland too I believe?
Probably still sitting in her digital camera.
 
@Popejohn3
She was probably given a lift in a reddish lhd car.Told her newish boyfriend she was planning to go to Cyprus.He realises she was a free spirited young lady , they argued but she went or dragged back into the car .

So do you believe she was killed in a car on her way to work by the man with the hoodie? And this is based on the evidence about the couple seen arguing on the grassy bank on University Road on Thursday morning (and the Melrosegate sighting)?
 
I’m getting confused here who ( one of us )said they have seen many holiday snaps of Cl
The opposite is more like !
Where are all the holiday snaps from all these trips to Cyprus and Cuba and Ireland too I believe?

Who said they have seen many holiday snaps?
 
I can’t see the reason why we have not seen more holiday snaps in newspapers and other articles .
They might jog people’s memories.Its uncanny what the person taking pictures or video clips remembers .Even things that are not in the picture if you know what I mean .
 
@Popejohn3
She was probably given a lift in a reddish lhd car.Told her newish boyfriend she was planning to go to Cyprus.He realises she was a free spirited young lady , they argued but she went or dragged back into the car .

So do you believe she was killed in a car on her way to work by the man with the hoodie? And this is based on the evidence about the couple seen arguing on the grassy bank on University Road on Thursday morning (and the Melrosegate sighting)?
Yes
 
You know the Tang Hall coop man said he knew her or worked with her.
I have a feeling the staff there know more than they are saying .
Is he a regular ? Have they seen him again since then? Do they have a ‘wanted’ picture of him in the back?
What brought up the conversation on Claudia?
Are they scared that he knows where they work and what time they finish work?
Obviously more important 11 years ago than now ?
 
You know the Tang Hall coop man said he knew her or worked with her.
I have a feeling the staff there know more than they are saying .
Is he a regular ? Have they seen him again since then? Do they have a ‘wanted’ picture of him in the back?
What brought up the conversation on Claudia?
Are they scared that he knows where they work and what time they finish work?
Obviously more important 11 years ago than now ?
He is just another red herring to take our focus away from the truth.
Like the guy getting in the bus, Halliwell, the two at Melrosgate sub station and arguing by the maroon car.
Throw her backpack spotting into the mix and perhaps alley man along with holidays in Greece, Cyprus and Cuba.
The reason this case hasn't been solved is because someone is introducing too many rabbit holes for people to run down.
It's only a short walk to the Nags head and all happened within that area IMO
 
He is just another red herring to take our focus away from the truth.
Like the guy getting in the bus, Halliwell, the two at Melrosgate sub station and arguing by the maroon car.
Throw her backpack spotting into the mix and perhaps alley man along with holidays in Greece, Cyprus and Cuba.
The reason this case hasn't been solved is because someone is introducing too many rabbit holes for people to run down.
It's only a short walk to the Nags head and all happened within that area IMO
I had to check again the meaning of ‘red herring’
Are you saying all of the above are intentionally red herrings !?
 
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