UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #7

[Popejohn3]

I didn't know her father offered his car for Thurs 19th due to PL going to London that day. That seems a bit of a coincidence - PL being out of the way along with the man who worked in the NH (drayman?) being on holiday too.

Missing chef Claudia Lawrence declined mum's taxi offer

She had got into the habit of walking to and from her job at Goodricke College in recent weeks after her Vauxhall Corsa developed engine trouble.
Miss Lawrence had also turned down an offer from her father for the loan of his car for the day she went missing and had arranged to meet him for a drink the following evening.
Mr Lawrence, of Slingsby, near Malton, said: “I was going to London by train but she declined my offer, saying it was nice weather and she would walk to the university.”

I believe she did borrow her father’s car a couple of times but most probably for weekends when he was not working .

 

[MajorLang]

I believe she did borrow her father’s car a couple of times but most probably for weekends when he was not working .

Was the text sent to Jen sent for the following reasons:
By Claudia-To Avoid JK as it was getting uncomfortable following something that happened last time she was with her?
By Claudia-As a cry for help-The message was immaculate about her working pattern and may have made Jen think that something was up?
By Claudias captor-To put Jen off from checking in her that night.
By JK-Sending message to herself for obvious reasons?

 

[MajorLang]

So are you saying they got the time wrong for 2:30 pm?
I believe she worked that day ?

No-You refer time the day being a weekend day-It was not it was a weekday and the 17th.
There was the report of her seeing a "New Boyfriend" on the night of 17th. The stranger appeared at her door on that afternoon.
The person had a fringe, stylishly cut and She knew him, was initially both surprised and appeared annoyed. She looked both ways before letting him in as though to ensure no one saw him-Why?
Was she sheltering someone who was on the run?
Did she become embroiled in his problems and did she rather than he pay the penalty?
In these circumstances, would he be afraid to go to the police?

 

[keep-it-real]

Was the text sent to Jen sent for the following reasons:
1. By Claudia-To Avoid JK as it was getting uncomfortable following something that happened last time she was with her?
2. By Claudia-As a cry for help-The message was immaculate about her working pattern and may have made Jen think that something was up?
3. By Claudias captor-To put Jen off from checking in her that night.
4. By JK-Sending message to herself for obvious reasons?

In answers to
1. Seems the most likely in my opinion
2. I understand the text was sent before her the calls made/received from her parents so if CL was attempting a I cry for help she could have done this verbally in a carefully considered way which would alert her parents.
3. Unlikely in my opinion if anything such a biazzare text would have the opposite effect.
4. Although the actual content of a text message sent does not show up on the mobile providers records it does show details that it was a text message, when it was sent and to which receiving mble number, so if JK had sent this message to herself she would have had to done this before CL's calls and texts to her parents and her friend Jo that evening.(as I understand this was when then text was sent)

I was wondering wether it was ever checked if she had to work these days.. we know she would step up at christmas covering work to allow collegues to have time with their families.Was she stepping up to cover for someones holiday, illness or staff shortages

 

[Yozzer]

Was the text sent to Jen sent for the following reasons:
By Claudia-To Avoid JK as it was getting uncomfortable following something that happened last time she was with her?
By Claudia-As a cry for help-The message was immaculate about her working pattern and may have made Jen think that something was up?
By Claudias captor-To put Jen off from checking in her that night.
By JK-Sending message to herself for obvious reasons?

Or it was a genuine text? Do we know when this run of shifts would start? Also am pretty sure she mentioned the shift to her Malton friend that same evening. Has a colleague questioned the validity of her statement? - here is the text msg according to JK/Daily Mirror 2012:
Hours before she vanished she sent Jen a text saying: "Bloody hell, I've got to do 12 days on the trot, early mornings too. No fun for me!"
The article (and others) mention she was planning to go to Cyprus at Easter which was around 9th - 12th April in 2009 so ample time to perform a 12 day shift starting, say, the Monday after Mothers Day.
Whether she raised the matter as a means of distancing herself from JK during a difficult period following the weekend of revelry is still quite possible.

Missing Claudia Lawrence's last words to pal revealed

 

[Yozzer]

No-You refer time the day being a weekend day-It was not it was a weekday and the 17th.
There was the report of her seeing a "New Boyfriend" on the night of 17th. The stranger appeared at her door on that afternoon.

Wasn't it Mon 16th into early hours of 17th when she saw the 'new boyfriend' then she went to work and made this disclosure to DO?

Here it is:
The investigation team are appealing for help to locate a man seen on Heworth Road at about 2.30pm on an unknown day the week Claudia went missing.
Appeal for man with rucksack

 

[Yozzer]

I believe she did borrow her father’s car a couple of times but most probably for weekends when he was not working .

Yes but was thinking like a conspiracy theorist that if her murder was planned, certain things fitted into place on Thurs 19th such as her dad being out of the way in London and a member of staff who normally stayed overnight at the NH, when he had an early morning Thurs shift, being away on holiday. Could all be coincidence of course.

 

[Popejohn3]

No-You refer time the day being a weekend day-It was not it was a weekday and the 17th.
There was the report of her seeing a "New Boyfriend" on the night of 17th. The stranger appeared at her door on that afternoon.
The person had a fringe, stylishly cut and She knew him, was initially both surprised and appeared annoyed. She looked both ways before letting him in as though to ensure no one saw him-Why?
Was she sheltering someone who was on the run?
Did she become embroiled in his problems and did she rather than he pay the penalty?
In these circumstances, would he be afraid to go to the police?

But the Pod cast says it was 14:30 that is the time she finished work

 

[Popejohn3]

Yes but was thinking like a conspiracy theorist that if her murder was planned, certain things fitted into place on Thurs 19th such as her dad being out of the way in London and a member of staff who normally stayed overnight at the NH, when he had an early morning Thurs shift, being away on holiday. Could all be coincidence of course.

Yes coincidence

 

[Yozzer]

But the Pod cast says it was 14:30 that is the time she finished work

She could have had Monday 16th off for all we know. Don't think she wasn't a regular Mon to Fri worker.

 

[keep-it-real]

Monday's an usual nite to go out, its got to be one of the least favoured date nites. What venues are open are usually very quiet which would make more likely people would remember seeing them out.
St Patricks night was the next day 17th so why not choose that night.
Was it this because the this guy lived out of the area and his work bought him into the area that night.
Did it bring him back into the area on the evening of the 18th.

 

[Yozzer]

Monday's an usual nite to go out, its got to be one of the least favoured date nites. What venues are open are usually very quiet which would make more likely people would remember seeing them out.
St Patricks night was the next day 17th so why not choose that night.
Was it this because the this guy lived out of the area and his work bought him into the area that night.
Did it bring him back into the area on the evening of the 18th.

Do we know from her alleged comment to DO that they went out? Perhaps they stayed in at hers?
Yes he might have been in the area that day as you suggest - or did she meet him during the 'drunken' Cheltenham weekend that had just occurred?

 

[keep-it-real]

In an article in the York Press dated 26th Feb 2014 it says
Joan still has the last birthday present she bought for Claudia – a short woollen jacket she gave her daughter prior to her 35th birthday.
She said: “It’s got her hairs on it. Her perfume has more or less faded but I’ve got it in a box here.
I wonder it wonder if she wore it out on the nite of the 16th it may hold some forensic clues to who she was with or where she went, fibre forensics have made advances in the last decade
Family of missing Claudia Lawrence to mark her 40th birthday

 

[keep-it-real]

Do we know from her alleged comment to DO that they went out? Perhaps they stayed in at hers?
Yes he might have been in the area that day as you suggest - or did she meet him during the 'drunken' Cheltenham weekend that had just occurred?

It must a have been someone who she was only in verbal contact with because the police havent tracked him down from her mobile records

 

[Yozzer]

It must a have been someone who she was only in verbal contact with because the police havent tracked him down from her mobile records

Yet interestingly it said in the police link they were both talking on mobiles when she opened her front door (before he had knocked) to let him in?

 

[Popejohn3]

In an article in the York Press dated 26th Feb 2014 it says
Joan still has the last birthday present she bought for Claudia – a short woollen jacket she gave her daughter prior to her 35th birthday.
She said: “It’s got her hairs on it. Her perfume has more or less faded but I’ve got it in a box here.
I wonder it wonder if she wore it out on the nite of the 16th it may hold some forensic clues to who she was with or where she went, fibre forensics have made advances in the last decade
Family of missing Claudia Lawrence to mark her 40th birthday

Definitely good thinking here

 

[keep-it-real]

Do we know from her alleged comment to DO that they went out? Perhaps they stayed in at hers?
Yes he might have been in the area that day as you suggest - or did she meet him during the 'drunken' Cheltenham weekend that had just occurred?[/QUOTE

The police forensics said they recovered a finger print from an unknown male at her property, personally I find it unbelievable that if she had male lovers that forensic eivdence of some kind wasnt found in the bed linens pillows and especially mattress.
Do we know from her alleged comment to DO that they went out? Perhaps they stayed in at hers?.. perhaps they spent the night at a hotel I counted 25+ hotels/guest houses in the area

Remember the light coloured car possibly a ford focus seen braking on Heworth Roaf at 5.42am on the morning of the 19th was this car dropping her off after a nite out again or to pick up her rucksack/work clothes up.
Is this what also happened on the morning of the 16th?.. police have never commented wether she was caught on CCTV walking to work on the morning of the 17th

 

[keep-it-real]

Yet interestingly it said in the police link they were both talking on mobiles when she opened her front door (before he had knocked) to let him in?

The witness said she did look surprised when she opened the door so either she was on the phone to him.
Or she was and the police have eliminated him.. which is unlikely because he featured as a person the police wanted information on and this has remained current on the NYP website.

 

[keep-it-real]

Definitely good thinking here

If I was Joan I would get a pair of disposable gloves half a dozen of new self seal plastic bags a magnifying glass a tweezers and a roll of celotape and get to work on that coat taking tapings and hairs for possible future forensic analysis

 

[keep-it-real]

If I was Joan I would get a that jacket forensically inspected by an independant person failing that I would get a pair of disposable gloves half a dozen of new self seal plastic bags a magnifying glass a tweezers and a roll of celotape and get to work on that coat taking tapings and hairs for possible future forensic analysis.
If any of CL's clothes were not taken and retained by police for forensic investigation and are still in ppossession I would take advice how to store these correctly to maintain any forensic evidence they might contain