UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #7

[keep-it-real]

That’s a shame I’d be interested to read your musings you seem well informed...

Don't know that one. Criminally the other famous Swindon case (Halliwell aside) is Glyn Razzell who murdered his wife Linda. He still protests his innocence, I think he is due out of prison soon although I may be wrong there. They never found her body. Incidentally I’ve passed by alleyway she was abducted from. She was also linked as one of Halliwell’s victims!

My thoughts on Claudia are she was killed by a lover. I suspect the police know who, sadly it’s a case of not having enough proof beyond circumstantial. Unless her body is located, if there is one to find, or someone cracks and breaks a loyalty I fear this case won’t be solved in her parents lifetime and potentially ours, if at all regrettably. I have such a burning desire to know what happened it’s so frustrating and obviously terrible for her family and loved ones.

You touch on the Linda Razell case which I think does bear similarities to the CL case worth noting
Claudia like Linda disappeared on route to work of a morning.
Linda's disappearance happened in the alley where there was a row of garages.. Claudia was seen talking to the left handed smoker on melrosegate bridge on the lower side of that bridge there is also a row of garages. ( see attach)
Both Linda and Claudia worked at a college.
It was reported Linda had recently had an extension built at her home, Do you know if there was any construction/building being carried out on at the college where she worked. Construction work was being carried out at the college where CL worked.
Given that both swindon and york have waterways served by canal/river and Haliwell owned a narrow boat which he used extensively do you think he used this means of transport to store or transport a body to a different location to dispose of at a more convenient time to himself, enabling him to carry on with his usual daily routines without raising suspicion.
(I noted on a photo of where Sian O'Callaghans remains were found that a waterway runs alongside the field).
It was reported Claudias scent was tracked to the waters edge of the river Ouse by two individual search dogs.

 

[ArcadeFire]

You touch on the Linda Razell case which I think does bear similarities to the CL case worth noting
Claudia like Linda disappeared on route to work of a morning.
Linda's disappearance happened in the alley where there was a row of garages.. Claudia was seen talking to the left handed smoker on melrosegate bridge on the lower side of that bridge there is also a row of garages. ( see attach)
Both Linda and Claudia worked at a college.
It was reported Linda had recently had an extension built at her home, Do you know if there was any construction/building being carried out on at the college where she worked. Construction work was being carried out at the college where CL worked.
Given that both swindon and york have waterways served by canal/river and Haliwell owned a narrow boat which he used extensively do you think he used this means of transport to store or transport a body to a different location to dispose of at a more convenient time to himself, enabling him to carry on with his usual daily routines without raising suspicion.
(I noted on a photo of where Sian O'Callaghans remains were found that a waterway runs alongside the field).
It was reported Claudias scent was tracked to the waters edge of the river Ouse by two individual search dogs.


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I don’t think it was Halliwell, just a hunch. It’s to easy to link him to every unsolved murder during the time he was active before incarceration. Halliwell transported Sian in his taxi this was forensically proven at his trial and in subsequent later findings. I believe Halliwell was actually in hospital for some minor operation when Claudia vanished.

 

[ArcadeFire]

Does anyone connected to Claudia, JK or SC post on this forum has it been discovered under any sort of pseudonym...?

 

[chimpface]

Does anyone connected to Claudia, JK or SC post on this forum has it been discovered under any sort of pseudonym...?

I think there are suspicions of people connected posting here but there's no way of proving it and I highly doubt anyone is going to out themselves.

 

[MajorLang]

Does anyone connected to Claudia, JK or SC post on this forum has it been discovered under any sort of pseudonym...?

Could be any of us

 

[Popejohn3]

Police show CCTV footage to local residents six years after Claudia Lawrence disappeared - UPDATED

This video was released six years too late in my opinion.
The police ask public to identify the dark man and the light man .
But if you look closely there is also another person disappearing out of view on the left hand side of the picture just as the dark man appears for the first time on the right hand side of the picture.
Now the man on the left would have gone past the dark man if the latter was standing/ knocking at her door before he decides to look at the back of the house !
That person (left hand side ) would definitely have recognised himself .For all we know he could have already come forward as a witness with a detailed description of the dark man .
The white man probably never even saw the dark one because that one was crafty and stopped in time !

 

[MajorLang]

Police show CCTV footage to local residents six years after Claudia Lawrence disappeared - UPDATED

This video was released six years too late in my opinion.
The police ask public to identify the dark man and the light man .
But if you look closely there is also another person disappearing out of view on the left hand side of the picture just as the dark man appears for the first time on the right hand side of the picture.
Now the man on the left would have gone past the dark man if the latter was standing/ knocking at her door before he decides to look at the back of the house !
That person (left hand side ) would definitely have recognised himself .For all we know he could have already come forward a a witness with a detailed description of the dark man .
The white man probably never even saw the dark one because that one was crafty and stopped in time !

Good spot @Popejohn3
I doubt if dark person was stopping because he saw light person
He just didn't want to catch up with him as they were a team.
He also stopped AFTER he would have been spotted by white person
Notice how dark and white person appear in both pm and am cctv.I still think they were part of the distraction as they will have checked cctv out first if doing a dastardly deed.

 

[ArcadeFire]

Here me out here, all this CCTV footage I’ve reviewed it and I’m not seeing what you are. I don’t know what any of you do in your professional lives if you are experienced with cleaning up video editing etc but I just don’t accept this other people on the screen stuff. I accept I think more than one person was involved in her disappearance but other than the guy staking out her back gunnel alley I don’t see anyone else visible in the pictures...

 

[MajorLang]

Here me out here, all this CCTV footage I’ve reviewed it and I’m not seeing what you are. I don’t know what any of you do in your professional lives if you are experienced with cleaning up video editing etc but I just don’t accept this other people on the screen stuff. I accept I think more than one person was involved in her disappearance but other than the guy staking out her back gunnel alley I don’t see anyone else visible in the pictures...

@ArcadeFire Perhaps look back on the threads as there are reports of many people seen.
Don't rely on media cctv clips alone

 

[Yozzer]

Police show CCTV footage to local residents six years after Claudia Lawrence disappeared - UPDATED

This video was released six years too late in my opinion.
The police ask public to identify the dark man and the light man .
But if you look closely there is also another person disappearing out of view on the left hand side of the picture just as the dark man appears for the first time on the right hand side of the picture.
Now the man on the left would have gone past the dark man if the latter was standing/ knocking at her door before he decides to look at the back of the house !
That person (left hand side ) would definitely have recognised himself .For all we know he could have already come forward as a witness with a detailed description of the dark man .
The white man probably never even saw the dark one because that one was crafty and stopped in time !

I assume you are referring to the group of people seen at 1m 32s and 3m 59s walking on Heworth Road from right to left, ahead of the mystery male who comes round the corner and enters Lime Court/HP?
It has been known for some time that Heworth Road was quite busy at that time (7pm ish?) of the evening on Wed 18th March. Plenty of cars driving past too. For this reason, I think it makes his little walk into HP look less furtive to anyone who cared even to notice him. His walk back is very suspicious though and note how he takes a little peak to the left just before he turns the corner, then possibly behind too. Hypervigilant you might say.
I also believe he was carrying the rucksack on the walk towards HP - if you check around 1m 39s you can see it on his right shoulder. I may be wrong - the quality is poor.
Some believe the man in the white jacket walking from left to right is a relative and this is why he was glued to the spot, lest he be caught out 'up to no good' or in a place where you wouldn't expect to see him maybe.

 

[Popejohn3]

I assume you are referring to the group of people seen at 1m 32s and 3m 59s walking on Heworth Road from right to left, ahead of the mystery male who comes round the corner and enters Lime Court/HP?
It has been known for some time that Heworth Road was quite busy at that time (7pm ish?) of the evening on Wed 18th March. Plenty of cars driving past too. For this reason, I think it makes his little walk into HP look less furtive to anyone who cared even to notice him. His walk back is very suspicious though and note how he takes a little peak to the left just before he turns the corner, then possibly behind too. Hypervigilant you might say.
I also believe he was carrying the rucksack on the walk towards HP - if you check around 1m 39s you can see it on his right shoulder. I may be wrong - the quality is poor.
Some believe the man in the white jacket walking from left to right is a relative and this is why he was glued to the spot, lest he be caught out 'up to no good' or in a place where you wouldn't expect to see him maybe.

Who’s relative ?The dark man ?

 

[Popejohn3]

I assume you are referring to the group of people seen at 1m 32s and 3m 59s walking on Heworth Road from right to left, ahead of the mystery male who comes round the corner and enters Lime Court/HP?
It has been known for some time that Heworth Road was quite busy at that time (7pm ish?) of the evening on Wed 18th March. Plenty of cars driving past too. For this reason, I think it makes his little walk into HP look less furtive to anyone who cared even to notice him. His walk back is very suspicious though and note how he takes a little peak to the left just before he turns the corner, then possibly behind too. Hypervigilant you might say.
I also believe he was carrying the rucksack on the walk towards HP - if you check around 1m 39s you can see it on his right shoulder. I may be wrong - the quality is poor.
Some believe the man in the white jacket walking from left to right is a relative and this is why he was glued to the spot, lest he be caught out 'up to no good' or in a place where you wouldn't expect to see him maybe.

Yes I was referring to that group of people walking away from left side of the picture .You don’t miss a trick do you ?!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

But if you look closely there is also another person disappearing out of view on the left hand side of the picture just as the dark man appears for the first time on the right hand side of the picture.
Now the man on the left would have gone past the dark man if the latter was standing/ knocking at her door before he decides to look at the back of the house !
That person (left hand side ) would definitely have recognised himself .For all we know he could have already come forward as a witness with a detailed description of the dark man .

To the left of picture I'm seeing two persons, a hooked couple, it seems.

 

[Popejohn3]

Could be any of us

#not me!

 

[keep-it-real]

I assume you are referring to the group of people seen at 1m 32s and 3m 59s walking on Heworth Road from right to left, ahead of the mystery male who comes round the corner and enters Lime Court/HP?
It has been known for some time that Heworth Road was quite busy at that time (7pm ish?) of the evening on Wed 18th March. Plenty of cars driving past too. For this reason, I think it makes his little walk into HP look less furtive to anyone who cared even to notice him. His walk back is very suspicious though and note how he takes a little peak to the left just before he turns the corner, then possibly behind too. Hypervigilant you might say.
I also believe he was carrying the rucksack on the walk towards HP - if you check around 1m 39s you can see it on his right shoulder. I may be wrong - the quality is poor.
Some believe the man in the white jacket walking from left to right is a relative and this is why he was glued to the spot, lest he be caught out 'up to no good' or in a place where you wouldn't expect to see him maybe.

Could it be that he was merely checking the road to his left and behind because he was going to cross the road and he was checking for any aproaching traffic?

 

[Popejohn3]

To the left of picture I'm seeing two persons, a hooked couple, it seems.

Yes it seems many people in cars as well, had the opportunity to see him knocking or standing outside her green door .
If he was local and by the same token the others were too, there would have been some mutual recognition and memories should have been jogged when the police six years later put up that short clip on a huge tv screen !

Perhaps a longer clip needed so that more people can recognise themselves?!!

I saw a panoramic view of Weymouth beach with literally thousands of tiny dots (people ) both on the sand and water ! in a Sunday Times supplement.
I used to go there a lot and I wondered ?!
I looked and looked I recognised myself in the water and to double check I found my family sunbathing on the beach !
I promise you no one on earth ( except my family) would have been able to point me out !!

 

[Popejohn3]

Could it be that he was merely checking the road to his left and behind because he was going to cross the road and he was checking for any aproaching traffic?

I would say most probably because having established she was not in or not responding would be foolish to stand outside her green door for long.Better to keep an eye from across the road . Was his car there ? And wouldn’t this take him closer to the cctv across the road from Claudia’s ?

 

[Popejohn3]

Good spot @Popejohn3
I doubt if dark person was stopping because he saw light person
He just didn't want to catch up with him as they were a team.
He also stopped AFTER he would have been spotted by white person
Notice how dark and white person appear in both pm and am cctv.I still think they were part of the distraction as they will have checked cctv out first if doing a dastardly deed.

Yes probably working together .question : is the white man coming from the Nh area ?

 

[Yozzer]

@FromGermany, post: 16020097, member: 102539"]To the left of picture I'm seeing two persons, a hooked couple, it seems.

And a male in front wearing a white jacket and dark trousers.[/QUOTE]

 

[Yozzer]

Yes it seems many people in cars as well, had the opportunity to see him knocking or standing outside her green door .
If he was local and by the same token the others were too, there would have been some mutual recognition and memories should have been jogged when the police six years later put up that short clip on a huge tv screen !

Perhaps a longer clip needed so that more people can recognise themselves?!!

We don't know for sure that he hung around or knocked on her front door. I do agree that locals or family members should recognise him. The problem with this case has been that, at times, there were too many conflicting pieces of evidence being presented. If a documentary or a slot on a news programme would focus on one or two strong theories and present them to the public, it might focus people's minds and stir their consciences.