UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #7

[MajorLang]

@MajorLang LH was on googlemaps in HP in April 2012 not 2014.
They do all seem to live in each other's pockets in Heworth don't they?

Yes-Sorry for date error.
I can't change it in post so will do so by replying to my thread

 

[MajorLang]

@MajorLang LH was on googlemaps in HP in April 2012 not 2014.
They do all seem to live in each other's pockets in Heworth don't they?

Yes-Sorry for date error.
I can't change it in post so will do so by replying to my thread

Lee Horwell, Claudias latest "named" lover. There may have been more.
What was he doing in April 2014 in Heworth Place in these pictures?
Note the lady / man in the silver VW. This car is not parked up and is a distance from the kerb, suggesting that they were there for a quick errand.
Was Horwell still the owner of the Maroon Volvo in the picture at the time these stills were captured?

He owned this Volvo with reg L330AM from 2012.
He sold it to David Robinson who switched the plate to YO1 in 2014.
Both registrations had a level of personalisation. L33 (Lee) YO1 being the name of Robinson's Double Glazing business.
Robinson was a POI in 2015.
Horwell was never arrested. His wife and childhood sweetheart left him when she discovered his affair with Claudia.
Note how he has what appear to be medications in one hand and car keys in the other.
The Maroon Volvo is regularly parked in this area yet neither of the two aforementioned were known to live here?
Note how in one shot Horwell is stood next to the driver side of the Silver VW.
We know from the other shot that someone else was driving at the time and so was there a "trade" taking place?
Also note another silver car-A Renault parked at the end of the Cul-de-Sac, Heworth Place. Is there someone waiting in this car?
Was the Silver Renault the one that belonged to SR the brother of PR?
It is believed that both SR and PR lived in Heworth Place around this time.
Today PR owns 15 Heworth Place. Where the car was close to.
PR lives in Heworth Road today.
There appears to be something unusual in many of these characters still living and socialising in this area, an area with lots of very sad memories and past dark forces.
We get much in the way of theories on this thread and a fair share of disruption.
To date little concrete to discuss due to the time passing since Claudia's disappearance.
I do believe though that WS is still the best thread online for carrying information on the case.
We should perhaps spend some time discussing this?
Was Claudia involved in medications or was there an overdose of such occurring that took her life?
This may we'll be quite innocent activity in the attached shots but IMO any police officers watching this forum should consider and investigate this.
That is if they have not done so already.
These images were taken in 2014 but the Sleuth who brought these to my attention and myself had never come across these before despite many Google image searches over the years??
There is so much about this case that troubles me.

Is this why Robinson and the Ruanes were arrested in 2015?
Horwell owned a scrap metal dealers along with his brother David in close by Mansfield Street. His brother David died suddenly in 2018. David Horwell was associated with the Pavlou Brothers and was named on The Pavlous company register as "Secretary.
The Pavlou own the club in York, The VUDU Lounge.
The Horwels and Pavlous wanted to build a casino on the land in Mansfield street but this was blocked by council. After the death of David Horwel, Lee remained the sole beneficiary of the company and the land in Mansfield Street was sold to a company to build Student Acxiom. In 2018 Horwell will have raised £800,000 for the sale of the land.

replying to my date error here it is April 2012 and not 2014.

sorry for any inconvenience
Thank you @Yozzer

 

[Pinkizzy]

@MajorLang LH was on googlemaps in HP in April 2012 not 2014.
They do all seem to live in each other's pockets in Heworth don't they?

It's amazing he was caught on Google maps, isn't it?

 

[Yozzer]

It's amazing he was caught on Google maps, isn't it?

Such a useful device - even better if they would put a time/day stamp on their images too! "But I wasn't in xxxx on that day M'Lord" - "Oh yes you were sonny!"

 

[Pinkizzy]

Such a useful device - even better if they would put a time/day stamp on their images too! "But I wasn't in xxxx on that day M'Lord" - "Oh yes you were sonny!"

They know the month tho

 

[Deleted member 102539]

No I still would like to know what TOS stands for .
Clearly English is not from Germany’ first language so we need to be a bit more understanding

If I'm using the term/abbrevation, I always get asked for the meaning. The rules by WS are meant. "Terms Of Service".
Maybe, I referred to this paragraph:
11. Please note that Websleuths is a victim friendly forum therefore we do not permit name calling of victims. Please tread carefully in this area. Discussion of victims and families* is permitted but name calling and foundless accusations will not be allowed.
And yes, unfortunately English is not my first language, only a little bit school English (middle school) from 60 years ago, never spoken except during time in school, but loved by me as a second language. Whereas I hate French, which I also learned at school.
* underlining by me

 

[Deleted member 102539]

You need to tell us what you mean by T O S okay ?
Thanks

Why so unfriendly? I used an abbrevation, used here on WS again and again.
I'm reading the posts from new to old, so I can say at this point, I answered your question.

 

[LuluR38]

This is the face I shall never forget until I die !
But I cannot expand on it on here I’m afraid !

What is that meant to me?

 

[Popejohn3]

If I'm using the term/abbrevation, I always get asked for the meaning. The rules by WS are meant. "Terms Of Service".
Maybe, I referred to this paragraph:
11. Please note that Websleuths is a victim friendly forum therefore we do not permit name calling of victims. Please tread carefully in this area. Discussion of victims and families* is permitted but name calling and foundless accusations will not be allowed.
And yes, unfortunately English is not my first language, only a little bit school English (middle school) from 60 years ago, never spoken except during time in school, but loved by me as a second language. Whereas I hate French, which I also learned at school.
* underlining by me

Im sure we all welcome your astute observations here and apologies If I sounded unfriendly

 

[LuluR38]

We cannot be 100% sure she actually went inside her home after leaving work on Wednesday 18th March. I've always wondered if Linda (the childminder), saw Claudia with her bag or without it. That would give some indication.

Particularly also when I’ve read she often went into the bags after work for a cheeky one ...

 

[Popejohn3]

What is that meant to me?

This is an oldish comment from me and before you get the wrong end of the stick I just say I was a witness to something and this time round I’ve been assured I’m being taken seriously .

 

[LuluR38]

Whoever committed the crime knew CL that I am sure. Why? Because we have not heard of any other similar cases in the North of England and if it was someone who took advantage of the situation then I believe they would have likely done this before and will have done it again since ( serial killer)..... The only other person with this type of MO that we know of is Halliwell and he operated in the South East and I do not believe he is the offender in this case! I'm not convinced either that the abduction is linked to organised criminals that CL was linked to. More likely that it was a crime of passion fuelled by jealousy or lust. Just my opinion!!

Sorry I disagree about other cases where there could have been a potentially similar MO and were occurring at this very time (in fact North Yorkshire police let him go to reoffend before catching him again). The black guy mark I forget his surname, was kidnapping and raping women in York at this time. And has a white van (he was a decorator and lived in tang hall I believe with his wife who worked at the uni). He also resembles co op man. It’s not a leap to progress from stranger rape / kidnap to then murder a target. From my previous forensic risk assessment work I know this. So if a random attack it could well have been him. I think it’s more likely closer to home however still...

 

[LuluR38]

This is an oldish comment from me and before you get the wrong end of the stick I just say I was a witness to something and this time round I’ve been assured I’m being taken seriously .

Sounds dubious as owt.

 

[LuluR38]

And maybe an individual or individuals found out Claudia had been passing on information to her friend.

I'm sure I've read that her friend Anthony said when Claudia had a bit too much drink that she said things she regrets. Maybe Claudia did say something;thus staying out the Nags for a few days

Coupled with Jen saying she was embarrassed after their last session drinking but not elaborating on this always made me wonder what had she maybe said or done on this evening...

 

[LuluR38]

OK perhaps you can retrieve them when you get time . I will continue to search for them online If I locate them I will post the links and update the forum until then I have to leave these two pieces of info as unsubstantiated

They’re not unsubstantiated. Her sister has said it in an interview and also Jen herself, I may have these links. Didn’t specify a relationship problem if I recall correctly was helping a friend with a difficult time... I’ll try and find the links...

 

[LuluR38]

TRANSCORE LIMITED - Officers (free information from Companies House)

Father of missing chef Claudia retraces daughter's walk to work in desperate plea for information | Daily Mail Online

A friend of Miss Lawrence, Peter Ruane, 49, said: 'Where she is now, it's not out of choice. She just wouldn't let work down and wouldn't let people down. Without a shadow of doubt she would ring home.'

 

[Popejohn3]

Coupled with Jen saying she was embarrassed after their last session drinking but not elaborating on this always made me wonder what had she maybe said or done on this evening...

I thought it was SC who said that ?

 

[Popejohn3]

They’re not unsubstantiated. Her sister has said it in an interview and also Jen herself, I may have these links. Didn’t specify a relationship problem if I recall correctly was helping a friend with a difficult time... I’ll try and find the links...

And that friend could also be a he !

 

[LuluR38]

Why did she need his car when she had a car? I'm aware her car was in the garage for repair on the week she disappeared and her mum has said on numerous occasions she offered her a lift or pay a taxi for her to get to work that week but it was not accepted.... I also wonder what the conversation was with the colleague who drove her home on the 17th? Did she walk to work on the 17th or did she get a lift? I think she probably had lifts organised to take her into work that week...if not then why not use her bicycle instead of walking? Find out who the person is that was arranged to drive her to work and we find us the murderer!

Why did she need his car when she had a car? I'm aware her car was in the garage for repair on the week she disappeared and her mum has said on numerous occasions she offered her a lift or pay a taxi for her to get to work that week but it was not accepted.... I also wonder what the conversation was with the colleague who drove her home on the 17th? Did she walk to work on the 17th or did she get a lift? I think she probably had lifts organised to take her into work that week...if not then why not use her bicycle instead of walking? Find out who the person is that was arranged to drive her to work and we find us the murderer!

George kneW she was walking to work as it was a nice day apparently ... not sure how nice it ever is at 5.30am like.

 

[Popejohn3]

Particularly also when I’ve read she often went into the bags after work for a cheeky one ...

Unlikely though to go into the NH straight from work and in her working cloths and apparently without any money !