UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, York University, 18 March 2009 - Chef - #2

[HongKongPhooey]

I don’t see the clip where jk says...while avoiding the camera...’it’s up to him...he started it....he’s got to finish it ‘

You're losing me guys with your far better knowledge of the detail...

Who is "he" referenced here?

 

[Yozzer]

If anyone deleted texts from Claudia's phone, the text numbers would appear on her phone statement wouldn't they?

Wouldn't that depend on whether she had a contract phone or a PAYG (now often known in the criminal world as a Burner phone because if the owner has not registered it,calls/texts can't be traced)?
I had a (registered) Nokia PAYG for years and it was a cracking little phone, but I digress.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Wouldn't that depend on whether she had a contract phone or a PAYG (now often known in the criminal world as a Burner phone because if the owner has not registered it,calls/texts can't be traced)?
I had a Nokia PAYG for years and it was a cracking little phone, but I digress.

Well...Claudia was a prolific texter (1000 texts a month), it would make sense to have a contract unless she used 2 phones - a burner and another one

 

[Yozzer]

Claudia: 10 year investigation has been 'hell on earth' says friend Jen King

"If she's still alive she deserves another chance" 1m 53s.
Clumsy wording?

 

[MajorLang]

I do wonder about that last text sent to Jen too, about the twelve shifts in a row Claudia was last minute drafted in to work. Which was sent Wednesday evening. I think this is too soon to have her phone taken over outright by the perps and was sent before the phonecalls w her parents (?) unless they text and deleted from her outbox before she noticed, only surely they'd reasonably expect a reply that would puzzle her, increasing the likelihood that if this is what happened Jen or someone with access to her phone either text themselves from Claudia's or if elsewhere was clued up to respond immediately for the other person to then delete, perhaps knowing investigators wouldn't be able to tell provided they don't find the phone (accurate??)
My gut instinct is that if term began March 20th the previous week or two had probs been relatively chilled at work, another possible reason why she was out and about more in the evening times. Could the smaller numbers mean aspects of her job changed temporarily, that she worked in different buildings, which might explain the mixed reporting, meaning perhaps she met someone that way? What about new staff at work?

A bit more out there ofc but aside from building, what other work/tests were being carried out around the uni grounds in Heslington during student holidays? York Uni's Physics and Engineering depts are renowned for their research and innovation, with ties to new arms and military tech development. Who knows a lovers tiff or something more serious that led to silence could have brought her in the path of a ray gun test of some description. Never underestimate the determination of nerds to not face justice!!

Talking about building- works Google shows a very different Seph Way on 2009 to date and the construction as I have mentioned before the newer building of a Travis Perkins- who built that. Seph Way backs onto River Derwent and so quite a "Picturesque" area. If you get what I am saying?

 

[Popejohn3]

You're losing me guys with your far better knowledge of the detail...

Who is "he" referenced here?

That’s just it from memory I remember her saying that but who?

 

[MajorLang]

There's an army barracks near York Uni, isn't there?

I live near a barracks-what is the relevance?

 

[Popejohn3]

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That's Naive of them PJ3 after 20 years unless she is alive and as part of a controlled LE activity.
Please explain who "We all" are. Im pretty sure that you are not speaking for the Websleuth community here?
I wish she was alive for her families sake but had she planned this then I'm sure she would have signaled to her parents or someone she was ok?

I’m sure you mean 10 years

 

[Pinkizzy]

I live near a barracks-what is the relevance?

Moosafari : "York Uni's Physics and Engineering depts are renowned for their research and innovation, with ties to new arms and military tech development. "

 

[MajorLang]

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I’m sure you mean 10 years

Yes -Good spot PJ3
but unless someone gets traction then it's likely to be 20. I wonder if police had thought about hiring skilled volunteers to help them with their budget and workload to solve this case ?

 

[MajorLang]

Moosafari : "York Uni's Physics and Engineering depts are renowned for their research and innovation, with ties to new arms and military tech development. "

Ah yes-Rayguns comment.
Thank you

 

[Yozzer]

That’s just it from memory I remember her saying that but who?

I live near a barracks-what is the relevance?

Not IN one then MAJOR

 

[Yozzer]

That’s just it from memory I remember her saying that but who?

I think she has made a few 'shoot from the hip' comments like that. There have been a number of interviews over the years and generally I have noted that the longer the interview, the looser the comments became. No-one knows for sure that the person responsible is a 'He' so any public comment (tv or newspaper) should remain gender neutral.

 

[MajorLang]

Not IN one then MAJOR

I can't say as I would have to dispose of you

 

[MajorLang]

I think she has made a few 'shoot from the hip' comments like that. There have been a number of interviews over the years and generally I have noted that the longer the interview, the looser the comments became. No-one knows for sure that the person responsible is a 'He' so any public comment should remain gender neutral.

Her partner has been charged and dropped a

"If she's still alive she deserves another chance" 1m 53s.
Clumsy wording?

Yes-JK does not endear herself to the public in the same way that Suzy Cooper does-Why is that?

 

[MajorLang]

I do wonder about that last text sent to Jen too, about the twelve shifts in a row Claudia was last minute drafted in to work. Which was sent Wednesday evening. I think this is too soon to have her phone taken over outright by the perps and was sent before the phonecalls w her parents (?) unless they text and deleted from her outbox before she noticed, only surely they'd reasonably expect a reply that would puzzle her, increasing the likelihood that if this is what happened Jen or someone with access to her phone either text themselves from Claudia's or if elsewhere was clued up to respond immediately for the other person to then delete, perhaps knowing investigators wouldn't be able to tell provided they don't find the phone (accurate??)
My gut instinct is that if term began March 20th the previous week or two had probs been relatively chilled at work, another possible reason why she was out and about more in the evening times. Could the smaller numbers mean aspects of her job changed temporarily, that she worked in different buildings, which might explain the mixed reporting, meaning perhaps she met someone that way? What about new staff at work?

A bit more out there ofc but aside from building, what other work/tests were being carried out around the uni grounds in Heslington during student holidays? York Uni's Physics and Engineering depts are renowned for their research and innovation, with ties to new arms and military tech development. Who knows a lovers tiff or something more serious that led to silence could have brought her in the path of a ray gun test of some description. Never underestimate the determination of nerds to not face justice!!

@moonsafari There was a good comment on here recently about Claudia texts.
She habitually ended each one with a x (Kiss) I think @Yozzer or @Pinkizzy picked up on this. Yet the text to Jen didn't have this sign off and so may well not have been from her and the big mistake someone may have made?

 

[Popejohn3]

Using the new ray gun !?

 

[moonsafari]

@moonsafari There was a good comment on here recently about Claudia texts.
She habitually ended each one with a x (Kiss) I think

Well spotted. I tend to X if the other person X's but that's just me.

 

[MajorLang]

For me the combination of Claudia's last day at the Nag's being a race day and knowing how raucous they could become, the fact that there were four days between her last visit and last planned one on the Sunday and Thursday, suggests to me that something out of the ordinary happened. Was she feeling intimidated by someone, had there been a falling out, or was it just that spending time with her alleged new romantic interest--away from the pub for whatever reason/s, could one be the person's ethnicity?--meant she was mostly AWOL to her Nag's friends those last few days of Claudia's life?

Suzy, Jen and Claudia bought pretty much all their rounds together and drank at a similar pace. The drinks were bought for George and me!

While there was a naive side to Claudia she seemed pretty switched on about some people too. The more unpleasant a person seemed the more guarded she became. I believe she would have had an instinctive sense that something was going to happen if she was lured somewhere, and wonder if the fact that her phone wasn't manually switched off until 12.10 that day was her doing rather than a deliberately timed act by the perpetrators. If the former, did she hide her phone in a house or garden somewhere in the knowledge that if people looking for her found it first they'd be closer to knowing what happened to her, did she launch the phone from a car window enroute somewhere and it was deemed too obvious a pointer to the perps so they drove back to search for it??

@moonsafari I have updated my medium blog to reflect some of your observations

 

[Pinkizzy]

This refers to the barracks near the uni :
In June 2006 a ceremony celebrating the formation of the Yorkshire Regimentwas held at Imphal Barracks.[10] The new divisional headquarters of 6th Division marked its formation with a parade and flag presentation at Imphal Barracks on 5 August 2008.[11] It had a clear focus on preparing brigades for Afghanistan: during summer 2009, the divisional headquarters was significantly reinforced and transformed into Combined Joint Task Force 6 before deploying to Afghanistan as Regional Command South in November 2009.[12]The 6th division headquarters closed in April 2011.[13]