UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #1

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Amonet....

Ya need to read "cj357" posts really. They are dynamite.

All from Corrie's mum.
He was out drinking longer than "advertised". And earlier on the phone !
He left the club of his own accord.
And many (not sure how many or who) spoke to him whilst in the doorway.
 
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357 is a "little" magnum right ?
You are dynamite my friend. Xx
 
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Did anyone else see the man in the last cctv of Corrie going into the bin area? Lower left, framed by what I believe to be a sign for Celebrity Nails. Dark short hair, watches Corrie go passed and ducks back in again. I feel Corrie is aware of his presence as he turns to look twice. Enlarge image, it is quite plain to me.

It is not another person it is Corrie as he walks up the road and weaves left before coming back out again.
 
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Does anyone else feel we are just going round and round in circles?

With no new information I can't see any progress being made, do the police know something that they aren't telling us and if so why aren't they saying. It ceratinly doesn't seem like they are keeping the family in the loop. Why no appeals for info, no warnings about fake taxis, no request for help with searches? It can't be that the Suffolk police are worse than other forces so why are they appearing not to be doing anything?

They have asked the public, multiple times, for help that the public can/should be doing.

The searches off private property are a different matter, though. They really should be done by proper search teams using good protocols. That means things like collecting names and contact details of everyone who turns up to search, and each small team gets assigned a team leader who's an experienced searcher. The teams should be given information on how to search, and what to look for, and what to do if they think they've found something. You don't want dozens of people traipsing around and eradicating forensic evidence. From what I've read the situation is that the teams are maxed out with their ratios of team leaders to less-experienced searchers and so they can't actually handle the public participation at this time.

You've always got people who are going to be in and out of outbuildings, or doing some gardening, regular things, who might come across something like a discarded phone, and they've given the description of the phone and its case to the public for that reason. Everything's for a reason, even if we can't figure it out. People out walking their dogs should keep an eye out, and if the dog comes out of the bushes with a phone or something, then the onus is on them to call the police....hopefully they could call from the position, and if not then try and mark the area with something, even just a coin left on the ground to say "this is where the dog went into the bushes", and try to cover your hands before picking anything up, and then get in touch with the police as soon as you can get a phone signal.
 
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It is not another person it is Corrie as he walks up the road and weaves left before coming back out again.


But I see it too ! (I might as well.... it's such a mad story now !).
 
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At least we hope so.

Or is it that "this" is how many "Missing Person" cases are/were handled in the past ?

Don't forget, we live in the "internet age" now. Corrie's family have done an amazing job keeping their plight in the public eye.

In a click of a mouse, we can see the area that they are talking about. We can look what cameras are there. We can review the released CCTV tapes, over and over again. Not long ago, non of this was possible.

....are we just highlighting the fact "dog walkers, discover more victims of crime, than the police" ?

Exactly, yes this is a different era than many cases a lot of us remember. Police methods have changed, with technology and more focus on things like behavioral analysis and victimology.

I don't know, but I don't think it's out of the realm of probability that any car numberplate that was in that area has been looked up in databases and that there's a computer room with people checking the names of every driver linked to every car and then checking those names against crime databases. It's what I'd be doing. But it's not something that the public will be aware of, it's all behind-the-scenes work, and you don't really tell the public too much, if this is what's happening, until you've actually got someone in custody.

James, as for the post you just made with my name at the top. This whole thread has been excellent quality with lots of different avenues being explored, and what you said about thinking in algorithms...everyone's doing that whether they realise it or not. The new information....we've been dealing with this for the past week or so with what was 'fact' suddenly being corrected and having to be thrown out. The way I deal with that in my head is that this is exactly what police have to deal with in the their world, the facts are only ever as good as the latest bit of info to come in, and then you've got to throw out half your working and start fresh and start prioritising a totally different angle.

I don't see much difference to the basic case no matter what time Corrie went out, if he'd been drinking longer, etc. At this point it doesn't bother me in the slightest, maybe I've come to expect it in this case?
 
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He went into the bins at 3.25 his phone was in Bury till 4.00am it was in Barton Mills at 4.30am. Despite being shot down for suggesting its the landfill, well it was days later before searched, there would be no 'body' by then. There is no other evidence. There is no footprint to find. Because there is nothing to find other than the fb page going wild and comments and contradictions galore.
 
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keep focused on this spot

I explained earlier in the thread that that is just digital noise/compression artifacts on the vimeo upload because it is low bit-rate. Technically called macroblocking.

Look along that same side top to bottom in the grey/black areas and you can see the same macroblocking/compression artifacts all over the place. It shows as "moving blocks". You notice it more in that area because it is bright/white.

At least this is what I think that is.
 
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I wouldn't shoot you down for suggesting the landfill, it was my first thought too. but land-filling is not at haphazard and a search after a few days although not pleasant would not be impossible at all. They would know what area was tipped that day to within a few meters . The police will search a landfill after a much longer period. If they have stopped the search it will be because they are satisfied he is not there. Again not shooting you down we have the issue of bin weight - he wasn't in the bin. and one can't simply chuck a body in the back of a waste vehicle when the driver isn't looking - in order to load the driver has to operate the mechanism.
 
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Exactly, yes this is a different era than many cases a lot of us remember. Police methods have changed, with technology and more focus on things like behavioral analysis and victimology.

I don't know, but I don't think it's out of the realm of probability that any car numberplate that was in that area has been looked up in databases and that there's a computer room with people checking the names of every driver linked to every car and then checking those names against crime databases. It's what I'd be doing. But it's not something that the public will be aware of, it's all behind-the-scenes work, and you don't really tell the public too much, if this is what's happening, until you've actually got someone in custody.

James, as for the post you just made with my name at the top. This whole thread has been excellent quality with lots of different avenues being explored, and what you said about thinking in algorithms...everyone's doing that whether they realise it or not. The new information....we've been dealing with this for the past week or so with what was 'fact' suddenly being corrected and having to be thrown out. The way I deal with that in my head is that this is exactly what police have to deal with in the their world, the facts are only ever as good as the latest bit of info to come in, and then you've got to throw out half your working and start fresh and start prioritising a totally different angle.

I don't see much difference to the basic case no matter what time Corrie went out, if he'd been drinking longer, etc. At this point it doesn't bother me in the slightest, maybe I've come to expect it in this case?

Agree.... but now you have to add in "the mates".
As in... no contact with them, what happened ?

The algo alters somewhat. Not because "what people think immediately" but the fact that, it is without parameters.

T'is all about data.
 
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I have been thinking similarly. I know in the past there has been difficulty when it comes to civilian police working with/alongside military police and who is actually in charge. Things may be different now, I have no clue. I'm also not sure on the powers civilian police have when it comes to questioning military personnel. Eg, If there were a punch up in the streets involving two military personnel, I'm not entirely sure which police would handle it.

This stuff has been in my mind the past week. I live in an area that used to have more MOD police cars going around than civilian police cars. While I'm not privy to more than my personal observations the MOD services and civilian services seem to work very well together, and I don't imagine they have any problems working together. They will have guidelines as to whose jurisdiction anything is, but I believe that where jurisdiction may cross they work together and support each other.

It's the USAF bases that are bothering me! All those bright, intelligent, trained-to-be-observant people, who could have been out in BSE and going down the roads around Barton Mills/Mildenhall area that night, and they apparently didn't even know Corrie was missing until nearly a month later? I have few polite words for this! I am fuming.
 
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Thanks that's really helpful - I was expecting there to be a technical explanation but the thing that struck me - and it may be nothing, it probably is nothing - is that his last glance seems to be back over his shoulder at that spot. Maybe the earlier glance was too.
 
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I wouldn't shoot you down for suggesting the landfill, it was my first thought too. but land-filling is not at haphazard and a search after a few days although not pleasant would not be impossible at all. They would know what area was tipped that day to within a few meters . The police will search a landfill after a much longer period. If they have stopped the search it will be because they are satisfied he is not there. Again not shooting you down we have the issue of bin weight - he wasn't in the bin. and one can't simply chuck a body in the back of a waste vehicle when the driver isn't looking - in order to load the driver has to operate the mechanism.

Allegedly/possibly procedures not always followed if the site is busy? Weight may be done when a body is no longer a body...
 
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Thanks that's really helpful - I was expecting there to be a technical explanation but the thing that struck me - and it may be nothing, it probably is nothing - is that his last glance seems to be back over his shoulder at that spot. Maybe the earlier glance was too.

No problem. As for his glances I just think he's making absolutely sure nobody can see him before having a pee. Not worth the £80 fine.
 
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Weight may be done when a body is no longer a body...

??? The weight was taken as the bin is loaded onto the lift of the lorry. Corrie, alive or dead was NOT in or on the bin lorry ...
 
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??? The weight was taken as the bin is loaded onto the lift of the lorry. Corrie, alive or dead was NOT in or on the bin lorry ...

Just to add to this so everyone can see what is meant by the bin being weighed (a video speaks a million words!) here is a demo of what I would think is a similar system used on the bin lorry in question:

[video=youtube;31YTZ8qqdG0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31YTZ8qqdG0[/video]

It seems the bin lorry and bins have rfid so can't really be tampered with either.
 
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I have the "touch of scepticism" about this case now.

The "factoids" keep changing....and no one has come out and said "what is what".

An "Anti Terrorist Consultant uncle" and a "Police Officer mother" telling consistently "shift sands" stories.
No "passionate plea's" from his muckers. Not a pip from the RAF (I would expect more from my CO).

Am I being led gently up the garden path here ???

I was looking for a couple of posts that caught my eye. One was saying about the ex-detective who was interviewed by media, and the other was how Nicola has been the public eye of this rather than active detectives who are on the case. So I want to work those things into my response to this post, because this has caught my eye.

The CO has been sending out 'boys' to help SULSAR search the back roads/bushes on the route back to Honington. That means giving guys time off their regular duties or actually taking them off those duties. So the CO is doing stuff, even if he's not going on camera.

The police will always weigh up options as to who goes on camera, and Nicola is the obvious choice given her background and that she's Corrie's mum. Corrie's brothers and uncle have also been doing interviews, either the police appeals or any TV they can get onto. Surely a passionate plea from the mother will outweigh pleas from his mates or his CO, especially given that he's disappeared off-base in civvies, and it's the human side that the police want to appeal to. A uniform could be off-putting to some people, but the mother's appeals tug at everyone's heartstrings.

So I think the police and Nicola purposely made a decision to put her at the forefront as the public face, right at the beginning when it was most likely that Corrie had met with an accident walking back to base and they might have been appealing to a driver of a hit-and-run who'd knocked a late night walker into the bushes at the side of the road and left them there.

But after a month, this has taken on a different thing for Nicola and family. She now has a 'need' to do this. And the extent of what she and other family members are doing is stunning to me. They're very, very savvy in what online is called SEO, which is related to marketing and advertising. They need the story to keep going and keep getting attention and get donations for SULSAR, and they are doing the most brilliant job of it. Most families can't achieve this, it's the type of work (offline) that very expensive agencies paying high wages normally do, and the family are doing it for themselves with the aid of contacts from their respective lines of work. I can easily imagine Nicola putting in 20-hour days doing all these things, pushing herself so hard because she doesn't want to personally do less than she can push herself to, and to avoid going to bed at night at the end of yet another day with no news of her beloved son.

If the police investigations side of this is mostly back-room work, it is going to be tricky to keep that in the media when you don't have anything to say. And this is the short-attention span world, where as was said earlier people easily get switched over to the popular TV programmes and celebrity things and stuff like that.

Corrie isn't a child, he's a grown man. It's most likely a very local case involving Suffolk and maybe Cambridgeshire and Norfolk regions, at a push. If it wasn't for Corrie's family, I think this case would probably never have achieved the widespread awareness that it has, and even people in BSE would have stopped talking about it by now. But the police, after the searches came up empty, would still be working their back-room angles. And in a month's time there would be a part-front page headline on the local papers saying that the police have made a local arrest in connection with the disappearance of a man who everyone had forgotten about.
 
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??? The weight was taken as the bin is loaded onto the lift of the lorry. Corrie, alive or dead was NOT in or on the bin lorry ...

A body doesn't have to be in a bin, to be in a lorry ?

So far we have heard "mistruths".

But apparently facenookers go off "looks" (for me, it brilliant as a student of human nature) so he could actually be the biggest "git" you could ever know ? Self interested, self adsorbed etc, etc

EDIT... this is regardless if he is alive or dead.
 
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I was looking for a couple of posts that caught my eye. One was saying about the ex-detective who was interviewed by media, and the other was how Nicola has been the public eye of this rather than active detectives who are on the case. So I want to work those things into my response to this post, because this has caught my eye.

The CO has been sending out 'boys' to help SULSAR search the back roads/bushes on the route back to Honington. That means giving guys time off their regular duties or actually taking them off those duties. So the CO is doing stuff, even if he's not going on camera.

The police will always weigh up options as to who goes on camera, and Nicola is the obvious choice given her background and that she's Corrie's mum. Corrie's brothers and uncle have also been doing interviews, either the police appeals or any TV they can get onto. Surely a passionate plea from the mother will outweigh pleas from his mates or his CO, especially given that he's disappeared off-base in civvies, and it's the human side that the police want to appeal to. A uniform could be off-putting to some people, but the mother's appeals tug at everyone's heartstrings.

So I think the police and Nicola purposely made a decision to put her at the forefront as the public face, right at the beginning when it was most likely that Corrie had met with an accident walking back to base and they might have been appealing to a driver of a hit-and-run who'd knocked a late night walker into the bushes at the side of the road and left them there.

But after a month, this has taken on a different thing for Nicola and family. She now has a 'need' to do this. And the extent of what she and other family members are doing is stunning to me. They're very, very savvy in what online is called SEO, which is related to marketing and advertising. They need the story to keep going and keep getting attention and get donations for SULSAR, and they are doing the most brilliant job of it. Most families can't achieve this, it's the type of work (offline) that very expensive agencies paying high wages normally do, and the family are doing it for themselves with the aid of contacts from their respective lines of work. I can easily imagine Nicola putting in 20-hour days doing all these things, pushing herself so hard because she doesn't want to personally do less than she can push herself to, and to avoid going to bed at night at the end of yet another day with no news of her beloved son.

If the police investigations side of this is mostly back-room work, it is going to be tricky to keep that in the media when you don't have anything to say. And this is the short-attention span world, where as was said earlier people easily get switched over to the popular TV programmes and celebrity things and stuff like that.

Corrie isn't a child, he's a grown man. It's most likely a very local case involving Suffolk and maybe Cambridgeshire and Norfolk regions, at a push. If it wasn't for Corrie's family, I think this case would probably never have achieved the widespread awareness that it has, and even people in BSE would have stopped talking about it by now. But the police, after the searches came up empty, would still be working their back-room angles. And in a month's time there would be a part-front page headline on the local papers saying that the police have made a local arrest in connection with the disappearance of a man who everyone had forgotten about.

I am (in light of what has come forth) able to argue the opposite
 
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