GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

[notsure]

They weren't "older" parents. You might say her dad was but I think her mother was about 30 when she was born.

Her father must have been the ancient age of 43 when he fathered her, lol; her mum must have been around 31. Positively geriatric.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Her father must have been the ancient age of 43 when he fathered her, lol; her mum must have been around 31. Positively geriatric.

One of the articles said she was 29 when Lucy was born. An entirely normal age. Her dad was 43 or something.

I'm repeating what you've said - getting tired after staring at a screen all day!

 

[notsure]

One of the articles said she was 29 when Lucy was born. An entirely normal age. Her dad was 43 or something.

I'm repeating what you've said - getting tired after staring at a screen all day!

Same here - going to tear myself away now, though. What a day.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Lucy Letby: Church-goer dubbed 'The Innocent One' by friends

With toys in her bedroom, doting parents and the nickname from friends 'The Innocent One', no one could have thought Lucy Letby was Britain's worst ever serial killer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"
Moving away from home and her parents was a big deal. Mr and Mrs Letby doted on their daughter, who was born five months after they married, in July 1989.

Creatures of habit, they still live in the house they bought shortly before their wedding, and holiday in Torquay three times a year, taking their daughter with them right up until she was arrested in July 2018 – just hours after the trio returned from their annual break in Devon.

Neighbours remember Letby as a 'sweet' girl, who was a 'delight' for her parents. They were so proud when she attained her honours degree they marked her graduation, in December 2011, with an announcement in their local paper, the Hereford Times.2

BBM. is that usual?

Also this - this seems very outdated/old fashioned thing to do: " similar announcement, with an accompanying photograph of Letby as a young child was also placed in the same newspaper to mark her 21st birthday."

Edited to add: Just my opinion. JMO

 

[katydid23]

That is completely incorrect as regards Allitt. She was an absolute lunatic, had very few friends, was known to be violent and anti-social, domestic abuse against a boyfriend, barred from the local pub too, I think.

She barely made it through her nursing training and had just about the worst attendance record of any trainee ever. I believe she was within a day of failing for lack of attendance.

Allit was a million miles away from being compassionate by any measure.

I guess she wasnt a good example. Here is why I had said that though:

"Within the next two months, she attacked nine children and murdered four. Yet to the suffering families, she was an angel of mercy, someone who was always available for their needs. How could a person be so caring and so demented at the same time?
...snipped...
Ironically, Katie's mother, Sue Phillips, felt so grateful to Allitt for saving her baby's life that she asked her to be Katie's godmother. Allitt accepted the honor. She acted as if she'd been a hero when in fact thanks to Allitt, this child now had cerebral palsy, paralysis, and damage to both her sight and hearing.
....
Allitt denied that she had any part in the attacks, apart from caring for the victims. She showed no nervousness under interrogation, but a search of her home revealed parts of the missing log.

While the initial evidence seemed damning, the parents of little Katie who had invited Allitt to be a godmother hired a detective to help clear her"



But in many Munchausen by proxy cases, their history is one of being known as martyrs and compassionate caregivers. They were not known as cruel bullies or harmful to family pets, etc. Their desire was to be seen as super caring heroic types.

 

[Cuko]

This explains why the kid gloves from the Judge

Lucy Letby always wanted to work with children, court heard

After completing her A-levels at a sixth form college, she went on to study nursing at the University of Chester.

www.standard.co.uk

Thanks for posting. It’s a revealing article on several levels.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I guess she wasnt a good example.But in many Munchausen by proxy cases, their history is one of being known as martyrs and compassionate caregivers. They were not known as cruel bullies or harmful to family pets, etc. Their desire was to be seen as super caring heroic types.

Agree

 

[kittythehare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1692662531901579710

 

[Popcorn80]

Knee surgery…. Does that explain the commode?

 

[kittythehare]

Cunning Letby ‘brainwashed’ colleagues, says case lawyer

Her trial heard the nurse was able to persuade others that the number of deaths on the neonatal unit was just down to ‘bad luck’.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

This case will go down in history for decades, or even centuries.

I hope it WILL change the system.

The worn out expression
"Lessons will be learnt"
is not enough any more.

JMO

 

[Officer Dibble]

Killer nurse created 'crisis situations' to attract married colleague

The nurse and the medic went on day trips to London, met up for walks and meals together in their free time away from the hospital, and swapped hundreds of messages on Facebook,

www.dailymail.co.uk

Has this article been discussed yet? I know we know some of these things but it was an interesting read. JMO

 

[Sundial]

Lucy Letby: Church-goer dubbed 'The Innocent One' by friends

With toys in her bedroom, doting parents and the nickname from friends 'The Innocent One', no one could have thought Lucy Letby was Britain's worst ever serial killer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"
Moving away from home and her parents was a big deal. Mr and Mrs Letby doted on their daughter, who was born five months after they married, in July 1989.

Creatures of habit, they still live in the house they bought shortly before their wedding, and holiday in Torquay three times a year, taking their daughter with them right up until she was arrested in July 2018 – just hours after the trio returned from their annual break in Devon.

Neighbours remember Letby as a 'sweet' girl, who was a 'delight' for her parents. They were so proud when she attained her honours degree they marked her graduation, in December 2011, with an announcement in their local paper, the Hereford Times.2

BBM. is that usual?

Also this - this seems very outdated/old fashioned thing to do: " similar announcement, with an accompanying photograph of Letby as a young child was also placed in the same newspaper to mark her 21st birthday."

Edited to add: Just my opinion. JMO

In todays world; it can be unusual- however, it depends on their own moral values and that is completely normal. My own grandparents (as did my mother), announce christenings of one of my children and the reading of our calling of bands prior to our actual marriage. To me, no matter how well intended, it was unnecessary.
In the uk, for those who don’t know, church marriages have what’s known as “the calling of bands” prior to the marriage. (You can Google if you wish). This “notice” in the paper wasn’t and isn’t really a thing in my generation, but based on their views and morals etc of my mother and grandparents- to them it absolutely was a big deal.

EBM

 

[katydid23]

Put faeces in the fridge of the nursing residence she was living in, etc.

I think LL might have done some strange antics as well, but hid it better. She might have stuffed the towels down the plumbing pipes to create chaos and force herself into nursery one/

And she may have been the one that put the doctor on the phone with the wrong grieving mother while he was dealing with another collapsed baby?

And she may have purposely stuck herself with the needle to deflect what else was going on after one of the collapses?

We know she probably wrote false medical observations and sent texts with false info to confuse the situations.

 

[Sundial]

At the end of the panaroma documentary on bbc Iplayer; Dr B final discussion on the question put to him, his reaction tells an unspeakable volume; this must have been absolute living hell for the consultants too. In the name of trying protecting those they cared for, they deserve nothing but respect and compassion for trying to do the right thing. It really saddens me (myself included) how badly staff are treated when they try to raise concerns that should not be dismissed the way they are. I hope they too are able to find some peace in what must have been a truly agonising point in their lives along with all the parents involved. So very sad.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I hope it WILL change the system.

The worn out expression
"Lessons will be learnt"
is not enough any more.

JMO

I absolutely hate that phrase. It's a universal get-out clause for literally anything and I don't believe that anyone uttering it ever actually means it.

Standard "management speak".

 

[katydid23]

In todays world; it can be unusual- however, it depends on their own moral values and that is completely normal. My own grandparents (as did my mother), announce christenings of one of my children and the reading of our calling of bands prior to our actual marriage. To me, no matter how well intended, it was unnecessary.
In the uk, for those who don’t know, church marriages have what’s known as “the calling of bands” prior to the marriage. (You can Google if you wish). This “notice” in the paper wasn’t and isn’t really a thing in my generation, but based on their views and morals etc of my mother and grandparents- to them it absolutely was a big deal.

EBM

That's what my grandmother used to do as well. But that was in the 50's and 60's. It seemed odd to put her 21st birthday announcement in the paper though.

 

[JosieJo]

Lucy Letby: Church-goer dubbed 'The Innocent One' by friends

With toys in her bedroom, doting parents and the nickname from friends 'The Innocent One', no one could have thought Lucy Letby was Britain's worst ever serial killer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"
Moving away from home and her parents was a big deal. Mr and Mrs Letby doted on their daughter, who was born five months after they married, in July 1989.

Creatures of habit, they still live in the house they bought shortly before their wedding, and holiday in Torquay three times a year, taking their daughter with them right up until she was arrested in July 2018 – just hours after the trio returned from their annual break in Devon.

Neighbours remember Letby as a 'sweet' girl, who was a 'delight' for her parents. They were so proud when she attained her honours degree they marked her graduation, in December 2011, with an announcement in their local paper, the Hereford Times.2

BBM. is that usual?

Also this - this seems very outdated/old fashioned thing to do: " similar announcement, with an accompanying photograph of Letby as a young child was also placed in the same newspaper to mark her 21st birthday."

Edited to add: Just my opinion. JMO

In my experience it was popular in the 80s could be considered old fashioned now

 

[WaxLyrical]

I feel really shaken up this evening. I know it’s probably difficult for most people to believe, but this is now the first time I’ve looked at things without considering the possibility she might be innocent, and so many things take on a completely different meaning now. Like, her message about “fate”. She was telling the truth, how she’d go and sabotage a baby and then leave it up to fate whether they would survive or not. Some she kept going back to, pushing “fate” as far as it would go.

It’s probably been really irritating for some people interacting with me on here during this when they’ve been so convinced of her guilt for so long. I wasn’t being contrarian on purpose, I just wasn’t there yet.

I cannot fathom what could drive someone to do this. I think she’s been brought up spoiled, overprotected, mollycoddled, can do no wrong. I think she’s devoid of any empathy. Were these babies targeted? Was it their parents who were the target? Was it the designated nurse who was targeted? Or were these souls simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, collateral damage in Letby’s world of showcasing her calm under pressure skills. We will probably never know.

After Monday, when I hope she is passed a whole life order, I will be trying to keep Letby’s name as far from my thoughts as possible.

But realistically, this is only the beginning. How many more babies she’s harmed remains to be seen. What an utter tragedy that this was allowed to go on for so long.

 

[Sundial]

That's what my grandmother used to do as well. But that was in the 50's and 60's. It seemed odd to put her 21st birthday announcement in the paper though.

I still know family who do that now.. you would be surprised at the ammount of cringy things even parents of their age in that period still do it..in all honesty, it’s not as outdated as you might think- depending on the morals that are passed down between generations. It’s not something I’ve personally done, my children are older now, but even as recent as 2000 my mother would not think twice about posting something similar to that of my grans era in a newspaper article. That was the world they knew, as did their parents/the grandparents. In some families it is still the norm here, not mine personally, but I still see if from parents of LL parents age group, even now.