UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #36

[Dotta]

"Medical experts reviewing Lucy Letby case in bid overturn killer's 15 whole-life orders claim ​

they 'did not find any murders' ​

and 'natural causes and bad medical care'​

are behind baby deaths.​

The convictions of child serial killer Lucy Letby were today branded
'one of the major injustices of modern times'
as a team of experts claimed all baby deaths were
'due to natural causes or just bad medical care',
concluding:
'We did not find any murders'.

The nurse's case will be now reviewed by the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC),
which investigates potential miscarriages of justice,
after an application was made by Letby's lawyers
who ramped up their campaign protesting her innocence.



(From left) Professor Neena Modi, Lucy Letby's barrister Mark McDonald, Sir David Davis MP and retired medic Dr Shoo Lee at a press conference at 1 Great George Street in London today."

Experts reviewing Lucy Letby case claim they 'didn't find any murders'

Lucy Letby, of Hereford, is serving 15 whole-life orders after being found guilty of murdering seven infants and attempting to murder seven others, with two attempts on one of her victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lincoln34]

Trust me she ain't getting cleared of all of them if any. I doubt it will change a thing. The butterfly needle one will be one to look out for I think.

Hi Sweeper, could you remind me of the butterfly needle issue

 

[Sweeper2000]

Hi Sweeper, could you remind me of the butterfly needle issue

Baby H.

"Medics accidentally left a butterfly needle inside the chest of a baby who reportedly suffered two cardiac arrests after she was deliberately hurt by nurse Lucy Letby, a murder trial heard today.

They also failed to give the infant a drug to help relax her lungs, while a chest drain to withdraw air was inserted in the 'wrong' space between her ribs.

Details of the mistakes emerged at Manchester Crown Court as two paediatric experts said they could find no medical reasons for Baby H to suffer cardiac arrests on successive days in September 2015."

Medics left needle inside baby's chest, Lucy Letby trial hears

The prosecution alleges Lucy Letby, 33, somehow sabotaged the infant's treatment on two separate occasions on successive night shifts in the neonatal unit of the Countess of Chester Hospital.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Was a case where dr Bohin the pros top doc criticised the med care. I thought it would be an easy case for other docs to say it was the med care that killed the baby.

 

[iamshadow21]

Hi Sweeper, could you remind me of the butterfly needle issue

It doesn't matter, she wasn't convicted for Baby H.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Bit annoying. want to know what they are saying about the insulin tests as they were actually a key part of the prosecutions case.the new guys they said it was normal levels for a neonate ? anyone catch that info as I find it difficult to believe.

 

[Sweeper2000]

It doesn't matter, she wasn't convicted for Baby H.

cheers. remember that now.

 

[mrC]

fromthe independant

Experts to reveal new evidence questioning child killer Lucy Letby's guilt: latest

Team of international experts believe there are alternative causes of death for a ‘large number’ of Lucy Letby’s victims

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Moll]

Bit annoying. want to know what they are saying about the insulin tests as they were actually a key part of the prosecutions case.the new guys they said it was normal levels for a neonate ? anyone catch that info as I find it difficult to believe.

From Sarah Knapton's live blog in the Daily Telegraph at 11.09:

"Interesting new data coming out on the insulin charges. Letby was convicted of attempting to murder two babies by poisoning their feeding bags with insulin.

The convictions were based on blood test readings that showed high insulin levels but low c-peptide levels in the blood - a clear sign that artificial insulin has been administered.

However Professor Geoff Chase, a world expert in insulin, from the University of Canterbury in New Zealand. says that the prosecution and police were basing their readings on ratios from adults and children.

In fact, he says the ratio of c-peptide to insulin was completely normal for a pre-term infant.

This is important because even the defence accepted that the two babies had been poisoned. They just said it wasn’t Letby that was responsible. Now it appears they may not have been poisoned at all."

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[Parker Knoll]

What a quartet !
Deeply unprofessional IMHO.

 

[Marantz4250b]

found that almost impossible to follow tbh. except dr lee saying his group are the best of the best.

Yet none of them were called by her defence initially!

The defence even had a doctor prepped to go as an expert witness but they chose not to use him. There's a reason they did that and it's glaringly obvious, lets face it.

 

[greenwoodlad]

Lucy Letby did not murder babies, claim medical experts

Former nurse Letby was convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others.

www.bbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby did not Murder Babies - medical experts claim - her incarceration is one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in modern times.

 

[Marantz4250b]

From Sarah Knapton's live blog in the Daily Telegraph at 11.09:

"Interesting new data coming out on the insulin charges. Letby was convicted of attempting to murder two babies by poisoning their feeding bags with insulin.

The convictions were based on blood test readings that showed high insulin levels but low c-peptide levels in the blood - a clear sign that artificial insulin has been administered.

However Professor Geoff Chase, a world expert in insulin, from the University of Canterbury in New Zealand. says that the prosecution and police were basing their readings on ratios from adults and children.

In fact, he says the ratio of c-peptide to insulin was completely normal for a pre-term infant.

This is important because even the defence accepted that the two babies had been poisoned. They just said it wasn’t Letby that was responsible. Now it appears they may not have been poisoned at all."

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Again, if this is all true then how come this wasn't brought up in her initial defence? It's hardly as though her defence team was pushed for time to arrange evidence and witnesses in her favor.

 

[Dotta]

Again, if this is all true then how come this wasn't brought up in her initial defence? It's hardly as though her defence team was pushed for time to arrange evidence and witnesses in her favor.

Exactly!

All I remember as far as Defence witnesses - only a Plumber appeared
(although I might be wrong,
so much time has passed after all
and my memories are vague).

This horrific case seems to be a never ending story.

I pity the parents of victims.

JMO

 

[notsure]

I've just had a brief skip through of what they are claiming is "new" evidence. It really isn't anything of the sort. None of what they are saying was unavailable at the original trials. They could have easily have presented all of this in the first instance. The court was not under any pressure of time. The first trial went on for ten months and would have gone on for whatever length of time was required for the defence to provide evidence.

Agreed - from the brief report on the BBC News at 1 o'clock, it appears to be a new interpretation of the existing evidence rather than actual new evidence.

 

[Moll]

Agreed - from the brief report on the BBC News at 1 o'clock, it appears to be a new interpretation of the existing evidence rather than actual new evidence.

If the evidence of, say, the NZ insulin specialist on neonatal blood test readings is agreed by others of comparable standing, doesn't that count as new evidence, even though it's interpretation of the same blood test results? It always bothered me that Dr Evans wasn't a neonatal specialist and was retired.
It is, as others have said, extraordinary that LL's defence didn't produce anyone to counter his arguments in court.

 

[notsure]

If the evidence of, say, the NZ insulin specialist on neonatal blood test readings is agreed by others of comparable standing, doesn't that count as new evidence, even though it's interpretation of the same blood test results? It always bothered me that Dr Evans wasn't a neonatal specialist and was retired.
It is, as others have said, extraordinary that LL's defence didn't produce anyone to counter his arguments in court.

I can't remember all the details of the trial, but I got the impression the defence did question the evidence back then and suggested possible alternative causes of death/injury other than foul play for all the incidents. It was the sheer volume of incidents that occurred while LL was on duty, together with certain unusual and suspicious behaviours that convinced people of her guilt.

 

[Marantz4250b]

The defence accepted that they were poisoned with insulin, just not that LL was responsible for it.

 

[greenwoodlad]

I can't remember all the details of the trial, but I got the impression the defence did question the evidence back then and suggested possible alternative causes of death/injury other than foul play for all the incidents. It was the sheer volume of incidents that occurred while LL was on duty, together with certain unusual and suspicious behaviours that convinced people of her guilt.

Yes from memory a spreadsheet was done with all the member of staffs duty rosters and when the babies died and it was a case of LL was on duty for all I think ....so the evidence against her it seems was inconclusive but overwhelming.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Utterly flawed case.There definitely needs to be a re-trial as I don't see how on the basis of the new evidence and that which was withheld there can be a safe guilty verdict.

And if she is innocent... yet ANOTHER gross miscarriage of justice.

 

[greenwoodlad]

Utterly flawed case.There definitely needs to be a re-trial as I don't see how on the basis of the new evidence and that which was withheld there can be a safe guilty verdict.

And if she is innocent... yet ANOTHER gross miscarriage of justice.

Agreed totally - possible alternative causes of death were suggested for every baby in this case.