UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #36

[Dotta]

Lucy Letby's chilling motive for jail friendship with killer stepmum - expert

Lucy Letby's bond with Beinash Batool, one of Britain's most hated female child murderers, speaks volumes about how she really feels about her horrific crimes, an expert says

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[Sweeper2000]

Sweeper, maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anywhere that Dr. Chase is a medical doctor; rather that he has a PhD in engineering. I have no doubt he is a very smart guy and that he is knowledgeable of his topic which is insulin sensors used in ICU setting. But I do not think that makes his opinion more credible than Dr. Hindmarsh who is an endocrinologist. Only my opinion.

i think your right. i did assume he was medically trained due to working on the med units and developing that insulin device, i guessed it would take med knowledge but tbh thats out of my depth. agreed im still with hindmarsh on that aspect. he literally has studied in minute detail about insulin and its production.

here is his educational history.

"Distinguished Professor at University of Canterbury
Department of Mechanical Engineering

Geoff received his B.S. from CWRU in 1986 and his M.S. and PhD from Stanford in 1991 and 1996. He spent 6 years working for General Motors and a further 5 years consulting in Silicon Valley, including positions at Xerox PARC, GN ReSound, Hughes Space and Communications and Infineon Technologies AG, before the University of Canterbury. His research interests include: automatic control, physiological systems dynamics, structural dynamics and vibrations, dynamic and systems modeling."


"Model-based Therapeutics (in Medicine and Intensive Care)
University of Canterbury August 2000 - Present

Clincal applications of engineering models of human physiology and patho-physiology to diagnose and manage disease state, including: - Metabolic Systems - Cardiovasculary Systems - Pulmonary Mechanics"

"Christchurch Hospital
Canterbury District Health Board January 2001 - Present

Clinical collaboration"

Academic CV - Geoff Chase | Impactio

Geoff received his B.S. from CWRU in 1986 and his M.S. and PhD from Stanford in 1991 and 1996. He spent 6 years working for General Motors and a further 5 years consulting in Silicon Valley, including positions at Xerox PARC, GN ReSound, Hughes Space and Communications and Infineon Technologies...

www.impactio.com

he is particularly well distinguished within his field but it is mainly engineering. i cant actually see any proper medical clinical stuff.

 

[joltz]

from lucy herself Lucy Letby wrote note because ‘everything got on top of me’

No one told Letby what to write though. I don't really care for this evidence in particular but no one told Letby to write "I am evil" "I did this this" "I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them"
Claims have been made that Letby was told to write down her feelings by a professional at coc but during her trial she did not offer this as a reason whatsoever. If she had done she would have faced some very difficult questioning under cross examination imo. So she choose not to offer this explanation whatsoever. Either way i find it difficult to comprehend an innocent explanation for her confession, despite what she said. The jury listened to what she had to say first-hand and they decided that she was lying.

 

[joltz]

25: The Inquiry: The Press Conference. How significant was it?

Podcast Episode · The Trial of Lucy Letby: The Inquiry · 07/02/2025 · Subscribers Only · 49m

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"In this episode Caroline and Liz discuss this week’s press conference by Lucy Letby’s defence team. They go over the findings of the expert panel, who now say she isn't guilty of any murders, and compare it to the evidence scrutinised at her two trials.

They also speak to Lord Ken Macdonald KC, the former Director of Public Prosecutions, who gives his take on the Criminal Cases Review Commission and Lucy Letby’s chances of a new appeal."

The discussion in this podcast should be shared far and wide. I would like front page headlines where evidence tested in court is placed side by side with the new claims and shown to be factually incorrect or just false. Won't happen though. We will probably getting told how much compensation she is due next.

 

[joltz]

He added: “I disagree with Lee’s assertion that I was ‘selective’. Quite the contrary. This is why I asked to review all the deaths and collapses from 2015 and 2016, not just the ’suspicious’ or ‘unexpected’ ones, or the ones where Letby was on duty.

“That’s why I told the police that if they had a ’suspect’, I didn’t want to know. I only heard about Letby in July 2018, when she was arrested for the first time.

“I identified malfeasance because the evidence pointed to it.”

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The article is by Knapton, one of Letbys biggest flag bearers. Everything Letby related that she publishes is heavily biased.

 

[Highlandspring]

The parents statement on the Thirwell inquiry certainly implicates the doctors to a large degree

The reason medics 'didn't know what they were doing' and were trying everything was because, once again, they didn't know (because the symptoms were incredibly rare and unnatural, they hadn't learned about or experienced them) what was causing the child's collapse, therefore didn't know how to reverse it. The parents were talking about how they felt at the time watching it unfold. Surely that doesn't need spelling out. It was the very essence of these events through a 10 month trial.

 

[marynnu]

what i could never understand is why 7 deaths were suspicious and the other 12 weren't

What other 12??

 

[mrC]

the other 12 deaths at the hospital that happened at the hospital when lucy letby wasn't there

 

[GreatAgain]

Odd that I've never heard of this case before but it seems interesting. I'll have to dig into it...

 

[notsure]

the other 12 deaths at the hospital that happened at the hospital when lucy letby wasn't there

Can you give more details of which deaths you're referring to? A link maybe?

 

[marynnu]

the other 12 deaths at the hospital that happened at the hospital when lucy letby wasn't there

My understanding is that there were 13 deaths at Chester and 4 in other hospitals for babies who had been transferred out. And that she was present for 12 of the 13.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Can you give more details of which deaths you're referring to? A link maybe?

these ones.

in a graph under section 2 it states 9 for 2015 and 8 for 2016.

really good informative article if anyone wants to read. lots of detail about if the numbers were actually unusual or not.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/384043212_How_unusual_was_the_spike_in_neonatal_deaths_when_Lucy_Letby_was_working

apparently even wth 17 deaths over those years it wasnt actually much too much. ETA if you take away the numbers that lucy letby was convicted of killing the numbers are more or less identical to other similar hospitals. we did hear two maybe three a year but thats not quite right as far as i can tell.

 

[marynnu]

of course there isnt just the new medical evidence there is prosecution witneses telling different stories at the inquiry to the the ones they told at the trial making them unreliable witnesses

Who are you talking about?

 

[marynnu]

I find that strange too , I don't live in UK but in my country in the childrens hospital even calpol dosage is wrote down alongside time and date . And as this is an otc medication I suspect its not a controlled substance . So why wasn't records kept of this to deduce amount given and deducted from amounts stored at any given time .

And surely if as alleged Lucy had vials of insulin recovered from her home that would be a smoking gun and along with other guilt implying evidence no matter how much of that can be reduced to circumstantial evidence it looks to be on the balance of probability more guilty than innocent.

I don't know whether mainstream media are creating shocking headlines for clicks but upon opening my news app this morning and seeing the headline "Free Lucy " and "Lucy should be freed and placed under house arrest " it is an insult to the grieving families and will only provoke anger and upset .
But hey I suppose these media giants will always place money over emotions and the pain of families and eager readers will form opinions from a prospective of what has been available in the public domain since the beginning. And most of that is formed from click bait articles and differing levels of intelligence imo

Obviously all medication given is signed for. But the amount of insulin needed for an infusion is very small. And of course there is often a bit of wastage when you draw up, get rid of air bubbles etc. There is no way of being accurate about what is left in a vial.

 

[May72031]

the other 12 deaths at the hospital that happened at the hospital when lucy letby wasn't there

The link you provided after this claim does not back up this particular claim. All it does is say there was no unusual spike in the death rate in 2015 and 2016. This is at odds with what David Spiegelhalter, the emeritus professor of statistics at the University of Cambridge claims, namely, the chances were less than 1%.
Spike in baby deaths in Lucy Letby unit warranted inquiry, says statistician

But Letby was not convicted solely on the basis of this unusual spike in deaths, i.e. statistics. It was a factor in the launch of the investigation to see what caused it.

Finally, you mention there were "12 other deaths" when Letby was "not on duty." Over what time period was this?

 

[greenwoodlad]

The link you provided after this claim does not back up this particular claim. All it does is say there was no unusual spike in the death rate in 2015 and 2016. This is at odds with what David Spiegelhalter, the emeritus professor of statistics at the University of Cambridge claims, namely, the chances were less than 1%.
Spike in baby deaths in Lucy Letby unit warranted inquiry, says statistician

But Letby was not convicted solely on the basis of this unusual spike in deaths, i.e. statistics. It was a factor in the launch of the investigation to see what caused it.

Finally, you mention there were "12 other deaths" when Letby was "not on duty." Over what time period was this?

Media reports are now saying she was not on duty when the "most rapid deteriorations" in babies conditions occurred prior to their deaths and one report stated when some of these deaths occurred she wasn't on duty either?

 

[May72031]

Media reports are now saying she was not on duty when the "most rapid deteriorations" in babies conditions occurred prior to their deaths and one report stated when some of these deaths occurred she wasn't on duty either?

Which media reports?

 

[greenwoodlad]

Which media reports?

Lucy Letby not on duty when 'most rapid deteriorations' occurred, report claims

Letby js currently serving 15 whole-life orders

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Lucy Letby was not on duty when many babies went downhill fastest

The mortality data is understood to show a broader spike in deaths during the period focused on by police, bolstering the claim that wider failures of care were behind the fatalities.

www.dailymail.co.uk

these media reports

 

[greenwoodlad]

Ive been following this case for years - the evidence that has now come to light at last means her conviction is completely unsafe. She should never have been convicted - she was a convenient scapegoat for the failings of the Neo natal unit and the evidence convicting her is circumstantial and now it can be proved that these deaths can be explained ...no babies were murdered and it cannot be proved beyond doubt she murdered them. This will play out as the biggest miscarriage of justice od modern times IMO

 

[marynnu]

Ive been following this case for years - the evidence that has now come to light at last means her conviction is completely unsafe. She should never have been convicted - she was a convenient scapegoat for the failings of the Neo natal unit and the evidence convicting her is circumstantial and now it can be proved that these deaths can be explained ...no babies were murdered and it cannot be proved beyond doubt she murdered them. This will play out as the biggest miscarriage of justice od modern times IMO

No new evidence, sorry. Not a scapegoat, that's a ludicrous claim. Circumstantial evidence is stil evidence. etc., etc., etc.