GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[Marantz4250b]

If all 257 pages referred to the children she’s accused of murdering then I’d agree that’s pretty damning. But if they’re just all the case records of the children under her care then I’d say it’s less so. I’m convinced she’s neurodivergent and keeping records is something someone on the spectrum (so to speak) would do quite fastidiously. They may have been labelled “keep” so that they didn’t accidentally get chucked away and end up being discovered - she’d know she wasn’t meant to take them but may have thought taking them for her own records/reflection/learning was less bad.

Similarly with the asterisks in her diary - were they ONLY on days the victims died, or were they on days other babies died too? It’s never made clear.

I hate how her handwritten notes have been used as evidence of her guilt. They’re clearly the ramblings of a mentally unwell person and cherry picking parts of sentences to fit a narrative is disgusting imo.

Sorry, but with the very greatest respect, these are the writings of someone who's looking for innocence, as opposed to someone following the evidence.

There was eight months of it which was followed by nearly a month of jury deliberations. Taking individual pieces and arguing how they aren't incriminating is to miss the whole point and has been done at MASSIVE length on for years!

She's guilty.

She did it.

Full stop!

 

[Skiede]

You say - ‘2. She was attempting to gather her own evidence for a grievance’.
Hand over sheets are printed off in ‘Real Time’ - ready for the start of the shift. Once the patient has been discharged from the ward using the hospital’s electronic system you cannot print off a ‘hand over sheet’ in retrospect. It’s absolutely impossible. So having 257 hand over sheets is pretty damning.

EDIT: Having 257 hand over sheets - goes against the NMC code of practice.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Is this true or just hearsay?

The OP was just saying digging up the garden was overkill in their opinion.

 

[WaneLyrical]

If all 257 pages referred to the children she’s accused of murdering then I’d agree that’s pretty damning. But if they’re just all the case records of the children under her care then I’d say it’s less so. I’m convinced she’s neurodivergent and keeping records is something someone on the spectrum (so to speak) would do quite fastidiously. They may have been labelled “keep” so that they didn’t accidentally get chucked away and end up being discovered - she’d know she wasn’t meant to take them but may have thought taking them for her own records/reflection/learning was less bad.

Similarly with the asterisks in her diary - were they ONLY on days the victims died, or were they on days other babies died too? It’s never made clear.

I hate how her handwritten notes have been used as evidence of her guilt. They’re clearly the ramblings of a mentally unwell person and cherry picking parts of sentences to fit a narrative is disgusting imo.

I also think she’s neurodivergent. I am, and I see a lot of myself in her behaviour. The handover notes, the post-it notes, how her behaviour was perceived. It’s likely why I’ve always taken such a deep interest in the case.

I’ll tell some stories to illustrate:

I used to work in a bank, between 2000-2010. In 2022, over a decade later, having moved house multiple times, I was looking through an old box of random paper I’d accumulated and found a print out of a random person’s mortgage application (absolutely no idea how I had this, don’t know the person, and I didn’t sell mortgages, perhaps I’d inadvertently taken it off the photocopier along with my own stuff? Who knows).

There were also multiple receipt slips I’d scibbled all over, account numbers on them, postcodes, all the kinds of things I’d be noting down in a day and stuffing in my pockets.

Letby’s post-it notes also look familiar to me. I scribble all day long, particularly when I’m on the phone or a teams meeting. For the purpose of writing this post, I just went and looked at my notebook. In today’s ramblings of a mad woman, the following strange phrases appear:

“Worry about it” (boxed, and scored heavily)

“I’m so mad” (with the word mad underlined).

“Hope for the best”

“Working is helping” (circled)

My own name is written 4 times.

The names of 5 of my colleagues appear.

“Epstein” also appears multiple times, lol

Despite these things being written by my own hand, TODAY, the only thing I have a clear memory of is “working is helping”. That was something said TO me: “I don’t think working is helping”, and they were talking about themselves.

I find it bizarre when I read that the handover notes had to have some special meaning, or why she wrote “on purpose”, because to me they have no relevance.

 

[Marantz4250b]

The OP was just saying digging up the garden was' overkill in their opinion.

Ive heard it mentioned several times that they dug up her garden but I'm not convinced at all that they did anything of the sort.

Where is the actual evidence for it?

Why would they be looking for, exactly?

 

[Sweeper2000]

Ive heard it mentioned several times that they dug up her garden but I'm not convinced at all that they did anything of the sort.

Where is the actual evidence for it?

Why would they be looking for, exactly?

It happened. Police dig up the garden of the nurse Lucy Letby who was arrested over the deaths of babies at Cheshire hospital

I might guess it was just protocol though and not information led.

 

[Jules2021]

I also think she’s neurodivergent. I am, and I see a lot of myself in her behaviour. The handover notes, the post-it notes, how her behaviour was perceived. It’s likely why I’ve always taken such a deep interest in the case.

I’ll tell some stories to illustrate:

I used to work in a bank, between 2000-2010. In 2022, over a decade later, having moved house multiple times, I was looking through an old box of random paper I’d accumulated and found a print out of a random person’s mortgage application (absolutely no idea how I had this, don’t know the person, and I didn’t sell mortgages, perhaps I’d inadvertently taken it off the photocopier along with my own stuff? Who knows).

There were also multiple receipt slips I’d scibbled all over, account numbers on them, postcodes, all the kinds of things I’d be noting down in a day and stuffing in my pockets.

Letby’s post-it notes also look familiar to me. I scribble all day long, particularly when I’m on the phone or a teams meeting. For the purpose of writing this post, I just went and looked at my notebook. In today’s ramblings of a mad woman, the following strange phrases appear:

“Worry about it” (boxed, and scored heavily)

“I’m so mad” (with the word mad underlined).

“Hope for the best”

“Working is helping” (circled)

My own name is written 4 times.

The names of 5 of my colleagues appear.

“Epstein” also appears multiple times, lol

Despite these things being written by my own hand, TODAY, the only thing I have a clear memory of is “working is helping”. That was something said TO me: “I don’t think working is helping”, and they were talking about themselves.

I find it bizarre when I read that the handover notes had to have some special meaning, or why she wrote “on purpose”, because to me they have no relevance.

Well Victorino Chua did write a remarkably similar note to Letby. And I'd hazard a guess that the innocent nurse they arrested before they found the real culprit probably didn't have anything like that in her house...so that's one similarity Letby shares with a serial killer.

I think when people say they do a similar thing it's not really on the level of the type of things Lucy was writing. I understand her writing something like-this is all my fault, I'm such a failure, they died because of me etc. but not "I killed them on purpose"-that is very precise with no room for interpretation really. There's also no evidence at all that she's on the spectrum-and even if she is it doesn't mean she isn't still a killer.

 

[katydid23]

The OP was just saying digging up the garden was overkill in their opinion.

If you don't find anything, it's overkill.
If you do find evidence, then it was a good decision.

 

[Marantz4250b]

It happened. Police dig up the garden of the nurse Lucy Letby who was arrested over the deaths of babies at Cheshire hospital

I might guess it was just protocol though and not information led.

I remember reading that, actually.

I'm still not convinced, though. It cites no source and there are no pictures of police with shovels anywhere I can find.

It's not protocol to dig up the garden of someone who's been arrested for killing people in hospital, as far as I'm aware. If you had reason to belive that evidence has been buried there then, yes, that's reasonable, but the police don't simply go digging up gardens on the off-chance.

There's no easy way to see into her back garden so how would anyone know?

 

[Parker Knoll]

I think that’s the period at the very beginning that a neighbour tipped off the press whilst they were collecting evidence. They were checking everywhere including drains and gutters so maybe they did and we didn’t see photos.
Her supporters claimed it was the police leaking to MSM but it later turned out to be nothing or the sort.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Just been searching for this. A FB group says that the police "ransacked" her house and later "ransaked" her parents house.

Utterly delusional!

 

[joltz]

I also think she’s neurodivergent. I am, and I see a lot of myself in her behaviour. The handover notes, the post-it notes, how her behaviour was perceived. It’s likely why I’ve always taken such a deep interest in the case.

I’ll tell some stories to illustrate:

I used to work in a bank, between 2000-2010. In 2022, over a decade later, having moved house multiple times, I was looking through an old box of random paper I’d accumulated and found a print out of a random person’s mortgage application (absolutely no idea how I had this, don’t know the person, and I didn’t sell mortgages, perhaps I’d inadvertently taken it off the photocopier along with my own stuff? Who knows).

There were also multiple receipt slips I’d scibbled all over, account numbers on them, postcodes, all the kinds of things I’d be noting down in a day and stuffing in my pockets.

Letby’s post-it notes also look familiar to me. I scribble all day long, particularly when I’m on the phone or a teams meeting. For the purpose of writing this post, I just went and looked at my notebook. In today’s ramblings of a mad woman, the following strange phrases appear:

“Worry about it” (boxed, and scored heavily)

“I’m so mad” (with the word mad underlined).

“Hope for the best”

“Working is helping” (circled)

My own name is written 4 times.

The names of 5 of my colleagues appear.

“Epstein” also appears multiple times, lol

Despite these things being written by my own hand, TODAY, the only thing I have a clear memory of is “working is helping”. That was something said TO me: “I don’t think working is helping”, and they were talking about themselves.

I find it bizarre when I read that the handover notes had to have some special meaning, or why she wrote “on purpose”, because to me they have no relevance.

So you are neurodivergent and think Letby is. This explains every single post you have made in relation to this case. You have an inherent bias. You are unable to view any piece of evidence against Letby in an impartial manner. This is not a slight against yourself. It's JMO.

 

[joltz]

Re the handover sheets it’s was already testified in court that the largest bundle was found in a bag for life under the bed, a more recent smaller bundle was in an Ibiza bag for life (the new post-Ibiza work bag), a few in the keep box, and her first ever one (pristine) in a keepsake box.

The fact the documentary showed a clip of a neat pile does not mean all 250 handover notes were in a neat pile. Quite frankly the documentary’s description of the handover notes is entirely at odds with court testimony.

Yes they were chronological, obviously they were chronological if she was adding to the stack each day. It would be weird if they were in a different order other than shift order.

Surely it would be more damning if the small number relating to the babies in the case were found together, or somehow separated out?

The only true new information about the handover sheets is that they weren’t folded.

Almost every single handover sheet relating to the babies was found underneath Letbys bed. It's important that they were kept chronologically because Letbys own testimony said they were just scraps of paper she brought home inadvertently without thought. Her own testimony exposed some lies. She also stated she had no awareness of them, yet by her own admission she was laundering her uniform every shift and removing them from her pockets.

So she had an awareness, that she was taking them every single shift. She took them out of her pockets. She kept them in different places. She moved with them on at least 5 occasions. She admitted in court that she had taken some with purpose. The idea that they meant nothing to her, is at odds with the very first one she took. She purposely took it and kept it in pristine condition in a keepsake box.

So it's an indisputable fact that Letby takes handover sheets home on purpose, keep them and attaches significance to them. She also had to admit to purposely taking another because she was good to apparently transcribe some notes from it. Yet the only note was I believe, "caffeine+"

This is before we get to the blood/gas document found in her possession, the fact she said she would have shredded them if she had a shredder etc.

She would have shredded them, if she had a shredder. That's what she told the police. But she did have a shredder didn't she. She didn't have any problem discarding her own personal data did she? She didn't feel the need to move property and hoard her bank statements for example. No, she shredded them. So she has perfect awareness of the importance of her own personal data, she shreds it. But she chooses not to shred the handover sheets

I personally believe that Letby absolutely did not want to admit any awareness of taking the handovers home on purpose, even though it was obvious that she did.

Why you might ask?


Of the 257 handover notes that LL had in her possession, there was a total of 31 handover sheets relating to 17 babies in this case, which were found in the Morrisons and Ibiza bags under her bed.

How did LL manage to organise these handover sheets for the babies in this case and put them together before they were deemed to be suspicious by the medical experts and police.

She had managed to isolate 31 notes of these 257 and of those 31, there are details of 13 babies from this case, over 17 handover sheets.

What gave LL the knowledge to specifically organise these 31 handover notes together, at a time when she was not suspected of any wrongdoing and before the point that any medical experts or police had decided, which were the cases of foul play.

Because at least 6 of the babies featured in these grouped handover notes did not die. At this point in time how was LL able to group the sheets for babies who had "unexpected collapses" amongst the babies who had died, away separately from the other 240 handover sheets in her possession?