GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #9

[YidArmyRach]

So is he admitting to smothering Becky, not strangling her?

Yes, funny that his story has changed to match the post mortem results.

 

[skibaboo]

Darren Little ‏@DarrenLittleSky 3m3 minutes ago
Crying can be heard in court as NM says he checked #beckywatts and she didn't have a pulse

Darren Little ‏@DarrenLittleSky 2m2 minutes ago
NM says #beckywatts "stopped kicking" after he tried a technique they "used to use at school" to restrict the airway so she "would pass out"

But he just said she didn't resist?

 

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ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 3m3 minutes ago
Becky's step mum Anjie Galsworthy breaks down in loud sobs as well. Court has adjourned for 10 minutes. #beckywatts


ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 3m3 minutes ago
'I thought something's not right, and I checked for a pulse, and she didn't have a pulse' #beckywatts


ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 5m5 minutes ago
Becky's Uncle Sam leaves in tears as NM describes how he strangled #beckywatts in an attempt to subdue her and stop her struggling

 

[leah]

Has there been a psych eval done on him?

 

[ColourPurple]

But he just said she didn't resist?

I think he's saying she didn't resist till his mask slipped off and she saw who it was.

 

[Tortoise]

[h=3]'She got down to her knees and I got the handcuffs and put them on her'[/h]Matthews has just told the jury about the moment he killed Becky.
Matthews said his mum Anjie had left to go to the hospital by the time he and Hoare arrived at Becky’s family home. A key had been left for them to get in.
Hoare had a cigarette and went out into the garden to feed the rabbit.
Matthews said: “I got the suitcase out and put it upstairs in the spare bedroom.
“I put the mask on and got the Cellotape ready.
“I knocked on the door. I can’t remember if I said anything. The door was opened and straight away I used the Cellotape around Becky’s mouth.”
Matthews was asked what he was thinking when he came face to face with becky.
He said: “I don’t know - I was following the plan.
“She turned round and I said something along the lines of ‘as long as you do what you are told you are going to be fine.’
“She got down to her knees and I got the handcuffs and put them on her.
“I put them behind.”
Matthews told the jury Becky did not resist.
He said: “I didn’t use my voice, I used a deep voice.
“I got her on her back and went to lift her to put her in the suitcase. I was struggling. I got her in and then my mask slipped.
“I put my hands over her eyes.
“When she was on her knees I told her to keep her eyes shut.
“My hand went straight over her eyes. I got the mask off and put the Cellotape over her eyes.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6713517

 

[Clio]

I've said before that it isn't believable. Her hair and blood were on the boot liner. She would have to have been curled up to put in there and after 8 hours - and longer going by his story (not until 48 hours or so) - with rigor mortis she would have been fixed in that position.

Re "boot liner" - hair yes, but I have seen nothing reported about blood on the liner. There was blood on a duvet and he admits taking a duvet from the spare room in CH so I suspect she was actually wrapped in that. We don't know the dimensions of the case but she was 5'1 and about 9st so I don't believe it.

I have mentioned before about suitcase and rigor. If he had waited 48 hours rigor would have reversed, however his story about taking the bag into CML on 19th (after SH was asleep) and putting the body in the bath on evening of 20th (after SH was asleep) is a bit out of the window since his written addendum on 4th March where he admits it was actually Fri 20th rather than Sat 21st when he left SH with AG (so he could go back to CML to "dispose" of the body).

 

[epiphany]

Yes, funny that his story has changed to match the post mortem results.

Idk...May depend on what the "technique" learned in school is

 

[babame]

We know that she did resist as she put up a fight. Something just doesn't add up.

 

[Tortoise]

[h=3]“I checked for a pulse and she didn’t have a pulse”[/h]Matthews said: “When I started putting her in the suitcase - that’s when she started wriggling, resisting.
“That’s when I put my fingers on her nose to restrict her breathing so she passed out.
“I put my hand on top of the Cellotape but she was still managing to breath.
“I put more Cellotape on to connect the mouth to the eyes part but she was still wriggling.
“And then I said ‘look don’t struggle, you are going to be released unharmed’ - but she was still refusing to get in the suitcase.
“And then I thought to make her pass out - to knock her out, basically I remember punching her just once.
“I didn’t feel comfortable trying to do it that way because there would be a lot of pain.
“The last thing I did was to try and make her pass out which is something we did at school - it’s like strangling but it doesn’t completely restrict the air.
“People at school would pass out - some would take a minute, some would take 15 or 20 seconds at a guest.
“Then after that she stopped kicking.
“I moved her head and moved her legs and tried to position her in the suitcase.
“Then I picked up all the other bits.
“Something didn’t seem right with her breathing because she was not breathing.
“Normally it would be a deep breath and then nothing for five seconds - but I couldn’t hear any breathing.
“I checked for a pulse and she didn’t have a pulse.”
A woman began sobbing in the public gallery and Matthews broke down in tears in the witness box with his head leaning on the lectern.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6713517

 

[ColourPurple]

'She got down to her knees and I got the handcuffs and put them on her'

Matthews has just told the jury about the moment he killed Becky.
Matthews said his mum Anjie had left to go to the hospital by the time he and Hoare arrived at Becky’s family home. A key had been left for them to get in.
Hoare had a cigarette and went out into the garden to feed the rabbit.
Matthews said: “I got the suitcase out and put it upstairs in the spare bedroom.
“I put the mask on and got the Cellotape ready.
“I knocked on the door. I can’t remember if I said anything. The door was opened and straight away I used the Cellotape around Becky’s mouth.”
Matthews was asked what he was thinking when he came face to face with becky.
He said: “I don’t know - I was following the plan.
“She turned round and I said something along the lines of ‘as long as you do what you are told you are going to be fine.’
“She got down to her knees and I got the handcuffs and put them on her.
“I put them behind.”
Matthews told the jury Becky did not resist.
He said: “I didn’t use my voice, I used a deep voice.
“I got her on her back and went to lift her to put her in the suitcase. I was struggling. I got her in and then my mask slipped.
“I put my hands over her eyes.
“When she was on her knees I told her to keep her eyes shut.
“My hand went straight over her eyes. I got the mask off and put the Cellotape over her eyes.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6713517

Ah so he's saying the sellotape round her head was done at this point. I wonder if it was examined to see if it was from the same batch they bought the day after.

 

[skibaboo]

We know that she did resist as she put up a fight. Something just doesn't add up.

None of it adds up. And he did all this, with his back pain and fibro in 20 MINUTES, and back inside on the sofa when Shauna came back in from her 'smoke'

 

[Alyce]

I have fibro I was diagnosed over 15 years ago I get constant pain and take regular medication for it. I am not buying that NM did all this on his own, no way just the stress of it all would bring on a flare and a flare can last for weeks. I do know that everyone is different with their symptoms I accept that but, I cannot accept the lifting of a body up and down stairs, into a boot of a car, up more stairs into a bath holding a circular saw, I'm sorry no way could he do this without help! I am wondering if he has fibro at all I have known of people who mimic symptoms and get medication just to try and claim benefits believe me it happens!

I wonder why the Pros didnt put up an expert to question NMs statement of being able to carry out this killing.
I have a friend who has Fibro ( admittedly older than NM ) but no way could she handle anything like this, even on a very good day. And as you say, just starting this kind of attack against another person would bring on a flare up immediately.

 

[YidArmyRach]

[h=3]“I checked for a pulse and she didn’t have a pulse”[/h]Matthews said: “When I started putting her in the suitcase - that’s when she started wriggling, resisting.
“That’s when I put my fingers on her nose to restrict her breathing so she passed out.
“I put my hand on top of the Cellotape but she was still managing to breath.
“I put more Cellotape on to connect the mouth to the eyes part but she was still wriggling.
“And then I said ‘look don’t struggle, you are going to be released unharmed’ - but she was still refusing to get in the suitcase.
“And then I thought to make her pass out - to knock her out, basically I remember punching her just once.
“I didn’t feel comfortable trying to do it that way because there would be a lot of pain.
“The last thing I did was to try and make her pass out which is something we did at school - it’s like strangling but it doesn’t completely restrict the air.
“People at school would pass out - some would take a minute, some would take 15 or 20 seconds at a guest.
“Then after that she stopped kicking.
“I moved her head and moved her legs and tried to position her in the suitcase.
“Then I picked up all the other bits.
“Something didn’t seem right with her breathing because she was not breathing.
“Normally it would be a deep breath and then nothing for five seconds - but I couldn’t hear any breathing.
“I checked for a pulse and she didn’t have a pulse.”
A woman began sobbing in the public gallery and Matthews broke down in tears in the witness box with his head leaning on the lectern.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6713517

One punch - but 40 different injuries???

And he was worried about one punch being a lot of pain ....... but wasn't worried about scaring a 16 year old, kidnapping her, taping her mouth, forcing her into a suitcase, keeping her captive in his boot for God knows how long, then scary her senseless by taking her to wooded area all whilst wearing a mask?

 

[Hexenb]

I didn't want to say so glad you have brought it up. I don't have fibro, I have had it queried as I suffered from pain, soreness, burning and tinging etc I mean I have crohns and anxiety, the symptoms were from that but one time I cleaned the kitchen, as I have done a million times, but this time I felt like I'd been hit by a bus, could barely walk for over a week. My honest opinion? I think he's a blagger.... I think he plays on it and exaggerates for his own (and SH's) needs

Totally agree I mowed the lawn last week and for 4 days afterwards I could hardly walk! I think he knows how to work the benefits system!

 

[ColourPurple]

I wonder why the Pros didnt put up an expert to question NMs statement of being able to carry out this killing.
I have a friend who has Fibro ( admittedly older than NM ) but no way could she handle anything like this, even on a very good day. And as you say, just starting this kind of attack against another person would bring on a flare up immediately.

Now he's taken the stand they can cross examine him.

 

[Tortoise]

Re "boot liner" - hair yes, but I have seen nothing reported about blood on the liner. There was blood on a duvet and he admits taking a duvet from the spare room in CH so I suspect she was actually wrapped in that. We don't know the dimensions of the case but she was 5'1 and about 9st so I don't believe it.

I have mentioned before about suitcase and rigor. If he had waited 48 hours rigor would have reversed, however his story about taking the bag into CML on 19th (after SH was asleep) and putting the body in the bath on evening of 20th (after SH was asleep) is a bit out of the window since his written addendum on 4th March where he admits it was actually Fri 20th rather than Sat 21st when he left SH with AG (so he could go back to CML to "dispose" of the body).

I have it that there was blood as well as hair on the boot liner but I will check and see if I can find the source.

 

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ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 1m1 minute ago
When asked why he didn't got to the police he said he had two options, that, or 'I didn't want anyone to know what I had done' #beckywatts

 

[Tortoise]

Ah so he's saying the sellotape round her head was done at this point. I wonder if it was examined to see if it was from the same batch they bought the day after.

is cellotape always clear tape?

 

[ColourPurple]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 1m1 minute ago
'It was the panic of everybody finding out and being hurt' NM says #beckywatts