UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3

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I just had a look at Le Figaro article. In the video Beinash says "We were afraid of being tortured or killed by the Pakistani police, which is why we decided to go into hiding ,” Makes no sense that they'd travel to Pakistan to go into hiding if they were afraid of the Pakistan police. They could have stayed in the UK to avoid the Pakistan police.
 
I just had a look at Le Figaro article. In the video Beinash says "We were afraid of being tortured or killed by the Pakistani police, which is why we decided to go into hiding ,” Makes no sense that they'd travel to Pakistan to go into hiding if they were afraid of the Pakistan police. They could have stayed in the UK to avoid the Pakistan police.

Or if torturing and killing are so very scary and bad, perhaps they shouldn’t have tortured and killed a young child in their own family…. Beggars belief what that poor girl suffered for so long, and the adults who were supposed to be protecting her are only worried about themselves!

IMO only, and aware that nobody has been convicted… yet.
 
Or if torturing and killing are so very scary and bad, perhaps they shouldn’t have tortured and killed a young child in their own family…. Beggars belief what that poor girl suffered for so long, and the adults who were supposed to be protecting her are only worried about themselves!

IMO only, and aware that nobody has been convicted… yet.
Yes, it's beyond belief what they did to her.
 
I know the school made a report to social services after they spoke to Sara about her face bruising, and she was taken out of school, but does anyone know if social services then checked on the family?
Yes, I think they did, because Beinash came in later and was "defensive" about a later injury.

Ms Simmons, who was Sara’s teacher in Year 4 and Year 5, said she saw “a bruise on the underside of her chin and one on her cheek".

She said that after Sara did not give a consistent account of her injuries, her school, St Mary’s primary in West Byfleet, made a referral to Social Services.

More than two weeks later, Ms Batool “marched towards” her and said Sara had a bruise on her face, the court heard.

“She told me it was made by a pen,” she said.

“She said before I jumped to conclusions again, it was just a pen”


“It was strange. It felt very defensive,” Ms Simmons said.

Sounds like a dig at the teacher for reporting them. The school would not have informed the family to say they'd made a referral. Beinash would only have found out after being contacted by social services regarding the concerns.
 
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From CPS guidance:

More than one suspect​

Where there is more than one suspect, and all the suspects are in the same household as the victim, then the section 5 offence may be charged. Section 5(2) provides that the prosecution does not have to prove whether any one suspect caused the death or failed to take steps or prevent it.

Nonetheless, by the close of all of the evidence in the case, the prosecution should be clear about the basis on which the case is put against each suspect. If convicted, the judge must be sure of the basis on which sentence is to be passed. Prosecution submissions at sentence will be informed by the basis on which the jury was asked to convict each defendant. It may or may not be possible after all of the evidence has been heard to invite conviction for one defendant on the basis that they caused the death (the jury may nonetheless convict on the basis of allowing) and the remaining suspects on the basis of allowing.

The legal position, and procedural provisions, where murder or manslaughter also charged​

In a case where there is more than one such suspect and the section 5 offence is charged, it may in addition be appropriate to charge the suspects with murder or manslaughter.

Several authorities have considered the situation where it is clear that a member of a household killed the victim, but it is not clear which one. In such cases, unless the suspects were acting as part of a joint enterprise, the ordinary principles of criminal liability require an acquittal on charges of murder or manslaughter. See, for instance Lane and Lane (1986) 82 Cr App R 5 CA.

This legal position means that, procedurally, a judge would be obliged to accede to an application to dismiss or a submission of no case to answer at the close of the prosecution case. There would be insufficient evidence on which a jury could be sure that any single one defendant killed the victim. A jury would have to have a reasonable doubt that it could have been one or more of the co-defendants.

The legal position remains: there is no case to answer (nor could a jury properly convict) for the offences of murder or manslaughter where the prosecution cannot prove who killed the victim.
 
Yes, I think they did, because Beinash came in later and was "defensive" about a later injury.



Sounds like a dig at the teacher for reporting them. The school would not have informed the family to say they'd made a referral. Beinash would only have found out after being contacted by social services regarding the concerns.
Oh yes, thank you, I remember that now.
 
From CPS guidance:
This is what's been worrying me. The prosecution have done a good job of showing to the jury how Sara was beaten black and blue with a cricket bat, pole, etc and strangled with a belt, but can they put those weapons into somebody's hands? If they can't prove that a particular person inflicted violence on Sara, then in law, can the jury convict anyone of murder? Might things end up like the verdict in the 'Baby P' case?

 
This is what's been worrying me. The prosecution have done a good job of showing to the jury how Sara was beaten black and blue with a cricket bat, pole, etc and strangled with a belt, but can they put those weapons into somebody's hands? If they can't prove that a particular person inflicted violence on Sara, then in law, can the jury convict anyone of murder? Might things end up like the verdict in the 'Baby P' case?


But what about Logan M's case?
Mother didn't beat him, and yet her sentence is only 1 year shorter than stepfather's.
Please, don't scare me :oops:

I don't remember the exact details of Logan's case now.
But ALL were found guilty.
Even a minor boy.
 
There is a change in barrister for Malik - according to the below, it was Dan Taylor - Dan Taylor instructed for the defence in high-profile murder case of 10 year old Sara Sharif | Red Lion Chambers

I believe it is not uncommon to change barristers in high-profile cases and can happen for loads of reasons—e.g., needing a specific expertise, or the new barrister can bring a different angle which is better for Malik... although I still think he is guilty of witnessing the constant abuse on Sara without lifting a finger, and therefore guilty of her murder directly or indirectly (IMOO).
I feel this is why the ring door bell was removed so footage of comings and goings couldn't be handed in as evidence.

I have been unsure of the uncles role in Sara's abuse . In the mugshot he does look like a deer caught in the headlights ( for those who are not familiar with the phrase it means ,startled, frightened, terrified) . I think he was aware she was being physically punished but may have believed it was none of his business as it was urfans daughter.

Regardless of his work and college hours I highly doubt he was totally unaware of Sara's injuries particularly with the more serious ones . I can't imagine hiding this level of abuse for such a prolonged amount of time is possible living in the same house
 
This is what's been worrying me. The prosecution have done a good job of showing to the jury how Sara was beaten black and blue with a cricket bat, pole, etc and strangled with a belt, but can they put those weapons into somebody's hands? If they can't prove that a particular person inflicted violence on Sara, then in law, can the jury convict anyone of murder? Might things end up like the verdict in the 'Baby P' case?

I fully agree with you and I myself have questioned this . Evidence has shown bienash bought the sellotape and fingerprints of urfan on belt and on tape and on the homemade hoods . But is that enough ?
MsM hasn't reported on Evidence from other weapons have they ? Does the confessional note and phonecall constitute guilt ?

The baby p case was harrowing and I remember the verdicts were very hard to take in by the public . A lot of people were very angry.
I feel in cases like these where a child's injuries could not have been from 'innocent accidents " it should be straight to sentencing. I'm aware everyone is entitled to a fair trial and a presumption of innocence. But in Sara's case and Baby p's case no one else had access to the child . It all happened within the home . All circumstantial evidence pointed to the defendants.

I am dreading the outcome of this trial . Because I feel through the legalities and loop holes . Sara is not going to get the justice she deserves. And each time an abused child is let down by a legal system set up to protect the perpetrator another child is at risk of suffering the same fate
 
But what about Logan M's case?
Mother didn't beat him, and yet her sentence is only 1 year shorter than stepfather's.
Please, don't scare me :oops:

I don't remember the exact details of Logan's case now.
But ALL were found guilty.
Even a minor boy.
Yes, I thought of that case too.
 











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Many more. Poland of course, Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Serbia, Iran. I’d say, for sure most EU countries.
I feel this is why the ring door bell was removed so footage of comings and goings couldn't be handed in as evidence.

I have been unsure of the uncles role in Sara's abuse . In the mugshot he does look like a deer caught in the headlights ( for those who are not familiar with the phrase it means ,startled, frightened, terrified) . I think he was aware she was being physically punished but may have believed it was none of his business as it was urfans daughter.

Regardless of his work and college hours I highly doubt he was totally unaware of Sara's injuries particularly with the more serious ones . I can't imagine hiding this level of abuse for such a prolonged amount of time is possible living in the same house

He for sure knew. He left with the Urfans but he was handed back by the Pakistan, so they must view him as guilty.

But the call from Urfan means he knew his daughter was dead and he admitted of guilt. No one pushed him.

The boy texted to his friend that Sara was dead.

Urfan left a note that Sara was dead and that he killed her.

Batool texted her sister long before that Urfan was beating Sara.

Hard to blame it on the stranger.

So there is enough evidence. I can’t imagine them getting off it. Irfan admitted on his way to Islamabad. So they can’t blame fear of torture in Pakistan. They were still in UK, just hoped they could escape to Pakistan and no one would care.

Also, strange that they can’t make Beinash provide the teeth cast in jail. If the judge issues an order, can she refuse? And can the refusal be viewed as the admission of guilt?
 
Many more. Poland of course, Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Serbia, Iran. I’d say, for sure most EU countries.


He for sure knew. He left with the Urfans but he was handed back by the Pakistan, so they must view him as guilty.

But the call from Urfan means he knew his daughter was dead and he admitted of guilt. No one pushed him.

The boy texted to his friend that Sara was dead.

Urfan left a note that Sara was dead and that he killed her.

Batool texted her sister long before that Urfan was beating Sara.

Hard to blame it on the stranger.

So there is enough evidence. I can’t imagine them getting off it. Irfan admitted on his way to Islamabad. So they can’t blame fear of torture in Pakistan. They were still in UK, just hoped they could escape to Pakistan and no one would care.

Also, strange that they can’t make Beinash provide the teeth cast in jail. If the judge issues an order, can she refuse? And can the refusal be viewed as the admission of guilt?
I certainly would have thought a judge can issue a court order requiring bienash give an impression. Or is it a process of elimination. I think urfan and Malik gave impressions as they knew they didn't bite Sara .
 
I fully agree with you and I myself have questioned this . Evidence has shown bienash bought the sellotape and fingerprints of urfan on belt and on tape and on the homemade hoods . But is that enough ?
MsM hasn't reported on Evidence from other weapons have they ? Does the confessional note and phonecall constitute guilt ?

The baby p case was harrowing and I remember the verdicts were very hard to take in by the public . A lot of people were very angry.
I feel in cases like these where a child's injuries could not have been from 'innocent accidents " it should be straight to sentencing. I'm aware everyone is entitled to a fair trial and a presumption of innocence. But in Sara's case and Baby p's case no one else had access to the child . It all happened within the home . All circumstantial evidence pointed to the defendants.

I am dreading the outcome of this trial . Because I feel through the legalities and loop holes . Sara is not going to get the justice she deserves. And each time an abused child is let down by a legal system set up to protect the perpetrator another child is at risk of suffering the same fate

Ok folks
I'm not British and I live far away from the UK
BUT
I remember reading that there have been changes done in Law since this poor Baby's case you are mentioning.

This issue was talked about during Logan M's trial.

In case of death and multiple defendants and not 100% certainty who pulled the ultimate blow
ALL are treated as guilty.
Yes!
It resembles American law.

For God's sake!
Nobody can tell me that monstrosities can evade Justice! :oops:

Honestly, please do not scare people!!!

JMO
 
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We know the bites were done by Beinash as they weren't Urfan, the uncle or Sara's brother's bite marks. The other kids mouths would have been too small.

I think it is very easy to get the teeth imprints in jail. Anywhere. And, DNA swabs from the wounds?
From CPS guidance:
I always thought that if it is impossible to say who dealt the crushing blow so to say but there may be even several reasons for death (as in Sara’s case), that could turn into a group case, and group cases are worse for the individual participants? I mean, there is dad’s admission it was him. But there is also evidence of others participating in a torture. Doesn’t a list of multiple charges make it worse? Yes, someone’s can be downgraded, but at least two people is a conspiracy.
 
I'm not British and I live far away from the UK
BUT
I remember reading that there have been changes done in Law since this poor Baby's case you are mentioning.

This issue was talked about during Logan M's trial.

In case of death and multiple defendants and not 100% certainty who pulled the ultimate blow
ALL are treated as guilty.
Yes!
It resembles American law.

For God's sake!
Nobody can tell me that monstrosities can evade Justice! :oops:

Honestly, please do NOT scare people!!!

JM
Didn't mean to scare Dotta .sorry about that .
Like yourself I'm not living in the United Kingdom. I only have a vague understanding of law . I probably shouldn't be commenting on outcomes as I have no control over that . I should keep my nightmares to myself lol
 
Didn't mean to scare Dotta .sorry about that .
Like yourself I'm not living in the United Kingdom. I only have a vague understanding of law . I probably shouldn't be commenting on outcomes as I have no control over that . I should keep my nightmares to myself lol

I didn't mean you personally Amiga :)
 
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