UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[lee sumner]

An interesting coincidence here is that the posh riverside flats were on at prices from £130k which is about the same as 37 Shorrolds (128k). It seems feasible that she went to 37SR, "Kipper" says something like "God, what a dump - got anywhere smarter on the books at this money?" and they then head to Stevenage Road without ever going inside 37SR.

What then happened is of course unclear, but the place and manner of stopping the car suggests a very brief stop was intended.

i believe SL was taken away in her own car. i think she was lured into a trap. we will probably never know for sure, but was she lured to an address to do a valuation on a property, and that is how mr kipper set her up.

 

[Klclevi]

Has anyone read this book published by CBD in 1992? I have ordered a copy off Ebay today from the UK. If anyone has - would be interested in thoughts on it?

Amazon.com

 

[tes1984]

Has anyone read this book published by CBD in 1992? I have ordered a copy off Ebay today from the UK. If anyone has - would be interested in thoughts on it?

Amazon.com

It contains a lot of interesting detail, but not sure what to think of CBD, as he also pushed Michael Sams as prime suspect..

Glad you didn't pay the $124 price on Amazon btw!

 

[Klclevi]

It contains a lot of interesting detail, but not sure what to think of CBD, as he also pushed Michael Sams as prime suspect..

Glad you didn't pay the $124 price on Amazon btw!

Hi - lol no $22.00 AUD with shipping! It will probably take 2 months to get here haha. Thankyou for your reply tes1984. I know baseline about MS and agree - that does not make any sense.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

It contains a lot of interesting detail, but not sure what to think of CBD, as he also pushed Michael Sams as prime suspect..

Glad you didn't pay the $124 price on Amazon btw!

Prime Suspect: The True Story of John Cannan, the Only Man the Police Want to Investigate for the Murder of Suzy Lamplugh by Christopher Berry-Dee Prime Suspect: The True Story of John Cannan, the Only …

I have this one, and I'm wondering if it's the same as the one you've quoted as it was also published in 1992.

If It's the same one yes, it's worth a read. I've not liked anything else of cbd's though. It's got lots of detail about JC's interviews with the police, and how JC was shaped into the criminal he was.

 

[WestLondoner]

Very annoyingly it refers to JC as "John" all the way through, like he's out mate or something. John did this, John did that. Imagine reading a book about the Ripper that went on about how "Peter smashed her head in with a hammer, then Peter stabbed her twenty times with a screwdriver" and you get the flavour.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

Very annoyingly it refers to JC as "John" all the way through, like he's out mate or something. John did this, John did that. Imagine reading a book about the Ripper that went on about how "Peter smashed her head in with a hammer, then Peter stabbed her twenty times with a screwdriver" and you get the flavour.

Yeah! A bit gratuitous in parts. I haven't read the book in a while but I think he refers to JC's shared car as a Fiesta not a Sierra? Also, I think he has JC as the person in the POW with sjl on the Sunday before her disappearance nicking her things?

 

[Klclevi]

Prime Suspect: The True Story of John Cannan, the Only Man the Police Want to Investigate for the Murder of Suzy Lamplugh by Christopher Berry-Dee Prime Suspect: The True Story of John Cannan, the Only …

I have this one, and I'm wondering if it's the same as the one you've quoted as it was also published in 1992.

If It's the same one yes, it's worth a read. I've not liked anything else of cbd's though. It's got lots of detail about JC's interviews with the police, and how JC was shaped into the criminal he was.

Oh bugger i think it is the same one !

 

[Konstantin]

Yeah! A bit gratuitous in parts. I haven't read the book in a while but I think he refers to JC's shared car as a Fiesta not a Sierra? Also, I think he has JC as the person in the POW with sjl on the Sunday before her disappearance nicking her things?

I think Berry Dee is a very unreliable narrator. It's a shame because he cites a lot of nonsense as facts and then because it's a published book, others then re-cite it as being facts and then the information that is available is misleading and muddied.

Someone else pointed out that he is also very familiar in the way he refers to JC as "John" as if he's a mate even though JC is a convicted rapist and murderer. Berry Dee was writing to JC in prison and I wonder how much that relationship coloured how he talked about him. I imagine "John" got to read the book, so maybe Berry Dee didn't want to upset him in case he wanted to continue writing to him for another book.

Maybe now JC is dead someone else will write a book about him that is more careful in its reporting.

 

[RichardKimble]

I think Berry Dee is a very unreliable narrator. It's a shame because he cites a lot of nonsense as facts and then because it's a published book, others then re-cite it as being facts and then the information that is available is misleading and muddied.

Someone else pointed out that he is also very familiar in the way he refers to JC as "John" as if he's a mate even though JC is a convicted rapist and murderer. Berry Dee was writing to JC in prison and I wonder how much that relationship coloured how he talked about him. I imagine "John" got to read the book, so maybe Berry Dee didn't want to upset him in case he wanted to continue writing to him for another book.

Maybe now JC is dead someone else will write a book about him that is more careful in its reporting.

It would be an interesting read if JD were to ever put pen to paper explaining what convinced him or the MET that JC killed SJL but couldn't convince the CPS.

Side note, one supposes the file is still open seeing has no one ever faced trial or no remains found.

 

[Konstantin]

It would be an interesting read if JD were to ever put pen to paper explaining what convinced him or the MET that JC killed SJL but couldn't convince the CPS.

Side note, one supposes the file is still open seeing has no one ever faced trial or no remains found.

Yes, I wish he could or would write a book. I think the case is a cold case but still open? Maybe that's why he can't write about it, but if they are only looking at JC and he is now dead, there is a possibility of that.

 

[WestLondoner]

I've long thought the reason the 2001 police case against Cannan was so feeble was because they failed to notice him in 1986.

In naming him as the only suspect 14 years later, they had to make out the information that lay behind this had only just come to light, and to avoid all mention of what they knew in 1986.

This is IMO why preposterous stuff like "I saw Cannan staring oddly in Sturgis' window 14 years ago" is part of the "case". In July 1986 he was a recently-released SO who JD is sure had access to a BMW, like the LHD one in which SJL was seen screaming. So trace recently-released SOs from the three local jails: easy because they'd have had to tell a parole officer where they were. Trace locally-owned LHD BMWs - they're rare. Chances are, there's only one person you are taken to by both of those routes.

You put him on ID parades. You search his cars forensically, the flats, garages and premises of his associates, and you make him tell you what all the keys that he has unlock. All in 1986, not 2000. If he doesn't co-operate, he goes straight back into jail to finish his current sentence.

For the plod to admit in 2000/1 that back in 1986, they in fact had everything they needed, had they been paying attention, to take them to Cannan would be to admit that he could have been caught then and that SB would still be alive now. I can't see JD writes a book that successfully buries this.

 

[lee sumner]

Has anyone read this book published by CBD in 1992? I have ordered a copy off Ebay today from the UK. If anyone has - would be interested in thoughts on it?

Amazon.com

if you mean berry dee. which book. i have many.

 

[lee sumner]

DL had a lot of powerful supporters from the start. The police couldn't tell her to go and do one.

i dont mean using them exact words, but she had to much to say. being SL mother put her in a position which allowed her power or support etc.

 

[lee sumner]

We’d all like to think we know Suzy, however, her work colleagues didn’t and maybe even her brother RL only had a small insight into her private life.
There are police detectives that can read criminals, and IMO Detective MB is one of those.
He was the only detective (to may knowledge) that realised that Shorrolds was a complete mistake. He made this assumption early on, but I can only assume wasn’t listened too by his superiors.
Again IMO he read JC like a book, and picked up on the mistakes he made in the interview.
Okay JC was inept, but sometimes even evil criminals have luck on their side. I don’t think JC was anymore careful with Suzy’s deposition than SC or SB, the only difference being he was lucky.
Look at the Melanie Hall case, the perpetrator just dumped her at the side of the motorway. A few metres further in and her remains would never have been found.
Maybe JC did just that, or given his love of water no one found her in the Brent river
section of the canal.

DS barley thinks the witnesses on shorrolds rd are credible. he never thought shorrolds was a mistake. he always believed she went there. so did SIO carter and DS johstone. these 3 detectives were the key players in the investigation.

 

[lee sumner]

It contains a lot of interesting detail, but not sure what to think of CBD, as he also pushed Michael Sams as prime suspect..

Glad you didn't pay the $124 price on Amazon btw!

CBD is not as smart as i first thought. there is no way sams snatched SL. when he took SS in 1992 he told her he was the man who snatched SL, but that was a scare tactic.

 

[lee sumner]

Yeah! A bit gratuitous in parts. I haven't read the book in a while but I think he refers to JC's shared car as a Fiesta not a Sierra? Also, I think he has JC as the person in the POW with sjl on the Sunday before her disappearance nicking her things?

as if JC would steal SL belongings, then just leave them outside the POW pub for the landlord to find. does not make sense.

 

[Konstantin]

For the plod to admit in 2000/1 that back in 1986, they in fact had everything they needed, had they been paying attention, to take them to Cannan would be to admit that he could have been caught then and that SB would still be alive now. I can't see JD writes a book that successfully buries this.

He definitely can't bury it The elephant in the room is that, if it was JC, it was a massive failure by the Met in 1986 and they should make a formal apology to the Lamplugh family. They won't.

The problem is that there is no evidence it was JC. If it was him, perhaps there would have been more to find in 1986 but the investigation team just didn't make the connection between recently released SOs including a very violent one and the abduction and murder of a young woman.

 

[lee sumner]

He definitely can't bury it The elephant in the room is that, if it was JC, it was a massive failure by the Met in 1986 and they should make a formal apology to the Lamplugh family. They won't.

The problem is that there is no evidence it was JC. If it was him, perhaps there would have been more to find in 1986 but the investigation team just didn't make the connection between recently released SOs including a very violent one and the abduction and murder of a young woman.

would JC be stupid enough to commit such a crime only 3 days after getting out the scrubs. if he did its ironic because he pulled off the perfect murder.

 

[WestLondoner]

would JC be stupid enough to commit such a crime only 3 days after getting out the scrubs. if he did its ironic because he pulled off the perfect murder.

Why not? He committed a rape in October. Zero impulse control.