Was the carpet removed from Lisa's room?

[Melon]

Again, would the media even know to look for it? They might have assumed there was only one SW. Federal SW's are often only filed by index number. If they didn't know to ask for the index number or if the FBI wasn't sharing, then they would have a difficult time finding it. . .that's if they even thought to look for one.

We know other things were taken that day. Did they just spend all that time doing stuff to not take it. If they were vacuuming that carpet, what did they do with the contents of the bag? Just dump it out and not take it? That doesn't make any sense.

MOO

It certainly seems like there were more than 7 items taken and it seems like a really bizarre (and/or possibly detrimental) investigative technique to package up evidence, remove it from the house and then change your mind about it and decide to leave it. KWIM? There has got to be a piece of the puzzle missing.

ETA: watching the footage the day of the warrant execution, there was a tech that photographed the ground by the fence in the back or side yard and then noted something on a clipboard, along with a person in street clothes. I watched it on the live feed. That certainly looked like evidence recovery to me. I suppose it's possible that recovery was one of the 7 items listed on the warrant return but it kind of seems odd to think any of those items listed on the warrant return were out in the yard by the fence.

 

[norest4thewicked]

It really is quite the optical illusion. I was seeing it the way vlpate was. I had to look several times till I realized that the black plastic was not extending all the way to the floor. It took looking at the feet of the crib to get the right perspective. That black mark that makes it look like that is the bottom of the dresser is actually the handle on the top tote, cutting off the bottom part of the dresser and giving the illusion.

I agree. I can totally see it from the same way that vlpate sees it. I also had to look at the perspective of the things around it. I think that the key is the plastic doesn't come to the floor.

But, really, I don't think that this really matters as to what we see because it is very possible that they LE did take a piece of the carpet.

Does anyone know if luminol testing was done in the parents bedroom?

 

[melissasmom]

Again, the filing would be public even if the warrant itself was sealed. The media would have been all over this just as they were for the original warrant filing. My above post and link state that ALL search warrant filings are public information no matter which agency.

I agree on this, IDM. This article you posted: http://multimedia.journalism.berkeley.edu/tutorials/police-records/search-warrants/

is specifically for journalists. It is basically detailing that ALL search warrants have to be filed with the court (within 10 days) even if they are sealed. If there were more search warrants out there (including from the FBI) I am quite sure the media would have gotten ahold of that fact and been all over it. They WOULD have checked, in my opinion. And reported it.

JMO

 

[Jacie Estes]

If you watch the link, you see it is not the wall. In the other pictures the wall is a mutstard looking color and there is crown moulding or a very wide, white trim - the carpet is dark. Look at the video that the still was taken from and you will see the bottom of the black bags are much lower to the floor than in the original pictures.

Forget the arrow, look at the video.

Of course some people aren't going to see it because they don't see anything that might lead to Lisa dying in her room.

I may have a retinal tear right now but I can tell the difference between a wall and a floor. IMHO I don't need to 'forget the arrow'. The color variation is in the pic, not the actual subject of the pic. IMHO

As for the part I bolded; we each have an opinion, <modsnip> IMHO

 

[vlpate]

Ok, I see now, please forgive me, I believe I am wrong about the bottom of the chest of drawers - that's what this site is for, smart people letting the idjuts know what's what - my apologies imnotagen and In Da Middle - I see what you are saying now.

The totes are running along side the chest. Here's what threw me off - I wasn't even thinking about the totes being there when I started looking at this. They don't show up clearly in the videos and in all the pictures we have seen, except for the photo Cindy Short had in her story, there were no totes or a dresser - there was just a swing. So, why did they put those totes and that dresser there? Are they covering something up? A piece of cut out carpet? There's a reason for everything they do - even inviting Peter in, there had to be a reason. What was it?

I have a friend who teaches at the art institute looking at this picture to see if the carpet has been photo-shopped.

Here's where you can just barely make out a tote, ignore the top circle:

 

[iamnotagolem]

Ok, I see now, please forgive me, I believe I am wrong about the bottom of the chest of drawers - that's what this site is for, smart people letting the idjuts know what's what - my apologies imnotagen and In Da Middle - I see what you are saying now.

The totes are running along side the chest. Here's what threw me off - I wasn't even thinking about the totes being there when I started looking at this. They don't show up clearly in the videos and in all the pictures we have seen, except for the photo Cindy Short had in her story, there were no totes or a dresser - there was just a swing. So, why did they put those totes and that dresser there? Are they covering something up? A piece of cut out carpet? There's a reason for everything they do - even inviting Peter in, there had to be a reason. What was it?

I have a friend who teaches at the art institute looking at this picture to see if the carpet has been photo-shopped.

Here's where you can just barely make out a tote, ignore the top circle:

No need to apologize at all!! I saw exactly what you did the first couple of times I watched it. Then I thought there was a hole in the wall. The camera angle, distance, everything makes the whole room wonky, especially since everything is moved around in every video.

 

[redheadedgal]

It looks photoshopped out to me. They did the same thing with some of the surveillance pictures of Julia Biryukova in the Sky Metalwala case.

There was no evidence on the carpet...

i'm confused... why would they photoshop the carpet out if there was no evidence on it... or did i completely misread your post? lol... thnx.

 

[vlpate]

I may have a retinal tear right now but I can tell the difference between a wall and a floor. IMHO I don't need to 'forget the arrow'. The color variation is in the pic, not the actual subject of the pic. IMHO

As for the part I bolded; we each have an opinion, for me my opinion doesn't affect my eyesight. IMHO

It isn't the wall, I don't think - apparently that is a tote.

As for the part you bolded, I agree, you are right.

 

[In da Middle]

Ok, I see now, please forgive me, I believe I am wrong about the bottom of the chest of drawers - that's what this site is for, smart people letting the idjuts know what's what - my apologies imnotagen and In Da Middle - I see what you are saying now.

The totes are running along side the chest. Here's what threw me off - I wasn't even thinking about the totes being there when I started looking at this. They don't show up clearly in the videos and in all the pictures we have seen, except for the photo Cindy Short had in her story, there were no totes or a dresser - there was just a swing. So, why did they put those totes and that dresser there? Are they covering something up? A piece of cut out carpet? There's a reason for everything they do - even inviting Peter in, there had to be a reason. What was it?

I have a friend who teaches at the art institute looking at this picture to see if the carpet has been photo-shopped.

Here's where you can just barely make out a tote, ignore the top circle:

Thank you for taking the time to look again! I really think if there was ANY missing carpet in the entire house, Peter Alexander, at least, would have mentioned it. I can see a defense attorney glossing over it, but not a journalist. It is obvious that people were in there moving things around. We just dont know who did it or why. It could have just been nosy people looking with their hands and not their eyes.

 

[vlpate]

i'm confused... why would they photoshop the carpet out if there was no evidence on it... or did i completely misread your post? lol... thnx.

They would photo shop it out to show nothing was taken, to cover for something being taken....however, someone were to see it in person, they wouldn't be able to photo-shop it, they'd have to cover whatever was taken out.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I have often wondered why the floor in Lisa's room is not the same beige carpet as the rest of the house. Did they never put new carpet in there? Did the carpet get removed at some point by the parents? Was it removed by the police?

 

[redheadedgal]

Would they even look for it? The first warrant was not sealed. It took us, what, four months to figure out there might be a second federal warrant.

i must've missed this discussion... can someone elaborate or point me to the proper thread? pls and thx

 

[vlpate]

Thank you for taking the time to look again! I really think if there was ANY missing carpet in the entire house, Peter Alexander, at least, would have mentioned it. I can see a defense attorney glossing over it, but not a journalist. It is obvious that people were in there moving things around. We just dont know who did it or why. It could have just been nosy people looking with their hands and not their eyes.

You're welcome...hands you a virgin mary Now, I do know that Peter was invited in by Jeremy and Deborah, not the attorney. After Peter went in, Cindy did her video and promised another tour at a later date, which, for obvious reasons, never happened.

Peter wouldn't have seen carpet missing beneath the totes and the dresser. A dresser is not something one just moves around willy-nilly...IMO. Unless they have those handy-dandy moving men things. I can move a high-boy dresser from one side of the room to the other without breaking a sweat, but I digress.

 

[vlpate]

No need to apologize at all!! I saw exactly what you did the first couple of times I watched it. Then I thought there was a hole in the wall. The camera angle, distance, everything makes the whole room wonky, especially since everything is moved around in every video.

That's what made me start looking at it, for days I've been trying to figure out why the heck everything keeps getting moved. I understand after the search things would be moved, but one would think to a state of disarray more than these pictures depict.

Would LE search the room Lisa vanished from and then put a dresser and plastic bins, all nice and neat, someplace they hadn't been there before? If so, they should be spanked for the mess they left in the Irwin's room!

 

[vlpate]

I don't know if this will help-but I found 2 videos-1 on Oct 8 and the other on the 14-bothof this videos have different carpet TO ME- and the second video you can clearly see a piece of carpet missing by her crib..

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/lisa-irwin-inside-home-14695353

the other video is posted on pg 4

Syra, thank you!

 

[vlpate]

Again, the filing would be public even if the warrant itself was sealed. The media would have been all over this just as they were for the original warrant filing. My above post and link state that ALL search warrant filings are public information no matter which agency.

What about consensual searches - are they recorded somewhere? We have no idea what went on in that house during the very first searches. Maybe LE took that piece of carpet with Jeremy's consent before the dog hit in DB's bedroom. The baby's room was a crime scene and I believe any evidence that was out in the open was their's for the taking.

I could be wrong, God knows lol

 

[vlpate]

one of the reporters would've mentioned it too, right?

there couldn't be a "carpet" gag order no one outside media knows about?

Dan Harris did a tour of the home on October 12 - and look at what is beside the bed! A SMALLER side table - like one that would go with the larger chest. No way this is the same chest in Peter's video or the still in Cindy Short's video presentation, it doesn't have the lip on the top. Now I'm wondering if half the stuff on the floor by DB's bed came out of the taller chest that is shown in the late October videos. Everything was moved around between October 12 and 24th.

CS photo

 

[redheadedgal]

that would be very sneaky to photoshop to cover up holes and also use furniture and whatnot else to hide holes... surely if family saw this they'd speak up? or do you think this has been hidden from family too?

and, WHY didn't they take down the hideous garbage bags asap? why leave it up?

 

[vlpate]

that would be very sneaky to photoshop to cover up holes and also use furniture and whatnot else to hide holes... surely if family saw this they'd speak up? or do you think this has been hidden from family too?

and, WHY didn't they take down the hideous garbage bags asap? why leave it up?

Exactly Red, why leave them up? So no one can look inside? Would they keep it from family? IMO, yes. They kept Lisa and the other child from family - DB kept her pregnancy from her husband.

I find it incredible that the first time BS stepped foot in their house was on October 31st. What's up with that?

 

[redheadedgal]

"so no one can look inside" eh? ... i see where you're going... hmmm.

i never really followed the BS thing... so i can't answer... sorry.