What is your #1 indicator that Terri is *NOT* involved in Kyron's disappearance?

[nanny2five]

I am one of the so-called "fence sitters", but that does not mean I think she couldn't be or isn't guilty. It only means I haven't seen proof of guilt or even one piece of solid evidence that says she is. So far, there is plenty of reasonable doubt for me. I have yet to hear anything from anyone that indicates that Terri had anything against Kyron, which surely someone would be eager to report if true. Not even Desiree could bring herself to say any such thing. But in a way, I hope it is Terri as that is the best chance for Kyron being alive, in my opinion, although I really don't think he is.

bbm: this is exactly what i was going to say i want it to be terri. since about a week in i have wished it was terri but i just dont think it was. there is something i have learned in my many years on this earth and that is that almost everyone lies. most people arent pathological liars but most people lie when it serves to forward their agenda. that is why im suspect of the mfh plot. i dont believe she tried to hire that man to murder KH and i would have to see a lot more than i have seen to make me believe it. same thing with the mc incident, i think there is more to that story.
they need it to be terri. KH and DY need it to be terri because the alternative is too much for them to consider. jmo, imo, mho and all that jazz

 

[NancyA]

I think she's guilt BUT there's nothing LE have put out there that would make me in good conscience convict her if I were on a jury. They've piled on suspicious circumstance after suspicious circumstance to make the facts fit their theories but it all amounts to...well...nothing...nothing concrete that is. It's like dryer fluff; yeah, it looks like a lot when it's collected in the lint trap but when you scoop it out it just rolls into a small insubstantial ball taking nothing discernible away from the clothes to be folded. JMO.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Until we know what happened to Kyron, we DON'T/WON'T know WHO the last person to see him is.

I'm sorry to say it but it's just that simple. So far, we as the general public are GUESSING and I don't like that.

Of course, TH hasn't helped herself much in her actions.

 

[Trident]

Until we know what happened to Kyron, we DON'T/WON'T know WHO the last person to see him is.

I'm sorry to say it but it's just that simple. So far, we as the general public are GUESSING and I don't like that.

Of course, TH hasn't helped herself much in her actions.

I don't see us "guessing" so much as being "fed/led" through innuendo, "unknown sources" and posters/flyers that look like the ones in the post office. It's obvious to me who LE suspects and if the public can have their memories jogged in that direction, they could put this pesky case to bed that much faster. This is the way I view it anyway.

I'm glad Terry has a great lawyer.

My opinion only

 

[cluciano63]

Have the Skyline parents, etc. ever been asked if they saw any strangers on that day or just Terri Horman and/or Dede Spicher? That is a question the defense might want to know.

If someone else did this crime, I don't think anyone will recall seeing anything unusual now that doesn't involve a white truck or Terri. People are somewhat programmed to think about what they are asked to think about. So that is a little scary to me.

 

[DairyGirl]

I have to say that since the first week I have been sure that Terri was involved. But after the latest revelations I have to admit I am harboring some doubts for the first time. The fact that she was at both FM's, spoke with someone at the second FM and went to the gym have me wondering when she would have had time to do anything. It is possible that Kyron was sitting in the truck while she was at the stores. He is borderline old enough to do that, although I never would leave a child alone while I was in a store. Maybe if she was planning bad things she didn't care? As far as DeDe goes, I think that is a red herring. I really don't think she had a part in this other then maybe after the fact. With the new flyers coming out it makes me think that LE doesn't have a firm clue, either. Terri hasn't done herself any favors by flunking a LDT and no cooperating but she may just be a victim of bad luck, too. I guess it wouldn't surprise me if she was involved but I wouldn't be shocked if she wasn't, either.

 

[eyes4crime]

I always attempt to view a case through a lens of innocence or guilt - through the lens of the prosecution or the defense. I have been sitting on the fence since the case started. Came up with ideas and theories for both, innocence and guilt.

I found myself making assumptions regarding all aspects of this case - stretching the possibilities, adding in a gazillion 'ifs' to make sense of even the smallest detail. Making Terri guilty is way too much work for me, and sitting on the fence is far too uncomfortable.

I think Terri is socially clumbsy. Awkward. That trait usually lends itself to scenarios that are misinterpreted. moo

I've now climbed off the fence, deciding that if I err, it will be on the side of innocence rather than guilt. So far, nothing in the laws of the land, speaks to the guilt of Terri Horman - not that I can see. Bye bye fence! :yes: moo mho

 

[T-Rex]

Before, there was a lack of evidence that Terri was guilty. Now, there's circumstantial evidence that she is innocent. Kyron was at the school at 8:45. Terri was at Fred Myers, without him, shortly after 9. Dede was at work, without him, at 9. Even if their alibis are shaky a few hours later, that's the crucial time. LE has said there's no evidence of Kyron being dead, and presumably that means cadaver dogs didn't hit on either vehicle. Terri's didn't even have a trunk to conceal a body, and Dede's, reportedly, stayed at her workplace all day.

 

[Calliope]

Have the Skyline parents, etc. ever been asked if they saw any strangers on that day or just Terri Horman and/or Dede Spicher? That is a question the defense might want to know.

If someone else did this crime, I don't think anyone will recall seeing anything unusual now that doesn't involve a white truck or Terri. People are somewhat programmed to think about what they are asked to think about. So that is a little scary to me.

In spite of what Gates has said about looking for pure leads not influenced by suggestion, that's exactly what they've done.

 

[cluciano63]

As much as I have grown to hate this phrase, thanks to Florida, I do think Dede is the "key" if only as to when, if ever, she was actually at work on that morning. If she was there from 8:00 until at least 9:45, then I don't see how she was involved in taking Kyron and I already have doubts as to how Terri did it. And I am far from ready to buy that more than 2 people decided to take part in disappearing a little boy, and that none of them have come forward our of guilt or fear.

 

[Etilema]

As much as I have grown to hate this phrase, thanks to Florida, I do think Dede is the "key" if only as to when, if ever, she was actually at work on that morning. If she was there from 8:00 until at least 9:45, then I don't see how she was involved in taking Kyron and I already have doubts as to how Terri did it. And I am far from ready to buy that more than 2 people decided to take part in disappearing a little boy, and that none of them have come forward our of guilt or fear.

I am curious about why Dede would be required in the early morning? I know that many of the theories we have been tossing around involve her being at the school before she went to work. But is her presence there absolutely essential? Could she not been involved only later, after 10?

 

[cluciano63]

I am curious about why Dede would be required in the early morning? I know that many of the theories we have been tossing around involve her being at the school before she went to work. But is her presence there absolutely essential?

Could she not been involved only later, after 10?

Well, yes, but then who took him out of school, if no one saw Terri take him and Terri was at the store checking out by 9:12? She would have had to literally grabbed Kyron and either tossed him out the window of the truck as she drove or buried him in the back of the truck, and left him there while she sallied around town doing errands. If Dede was not at the school with her, then it seems someone must have been and it gets too complicated for me from there...too many people...

 

[CathyinTexas]

I don't think the LE has a clue as to what they are doing in this case. Its been running funny from the start. IMO.

A difference in this case is how much it was emphasized that LE was keeping DY and KH informed on every aspect of the case on a daily basis. Also, that DY was honored by LE and given a medalion or police pendant because she was one of them, so to speak. I think the fact that TY is in LE has effected the investigation. Because DY insisted her "gut feelings" were that TH is involved they focused on her. Just my opinion. Also, it is just the opposite in all other publicized cases of missing children. Parents usually say that LE tells them nothing about the investigation.

 

[cluciano63]

A difference in this case is how much it was emphasized that LE was keeping DY and KH informed on every aspect of the case on a daily basis. Also, that DY was honored by LE and given a medalion or police pendant because she was one of them, so to speak. I think the fact that TY is in LE has effected the investigation. Because DY insisted her "gut feelings" were that TH is involved they focused on her. Just my opinion. Also, it is just the opposite in all other publicized cases of missing children. Parents usually say that LE tells them nothing about the investigation.

Desiree said that LE wasn't keeping them especially informed or telling them what to say. And I think the medal came from her husband's LE friends and it is a symbol of hope or the missing? Not an LE medal. TY also said that from the start he was told he would not be treated as any kind of an insider and that is the way it should be. I think D&K&T are flying solo when they make their statements.

 

[Emma Peel]

A difference in this case is how much it was emphasized that LE was keeping DY and KH informed on every aspect of the case on a daily basis. Also, that DY was honored by LE and given a medalion or police pendant because she was one of them, so to speak. I think the fact that TY is in LE has effected the investigation. Because DY insisted her "gut feelings" were that TH is involved they focused on her. Just my opinion. Also, it is just the opposite in all other publicized cases of missing children. Parents usually say that LE tells them nothing about the investigation.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

me too.

I have a feeling Desiree interviewed fast and furiously with LE regarding all her misgivings about Kyron & Terri, and Tony kept his eye on Terri from the get go, helping to hit all the right buttons with his own observations.

On the other hand ... this is not to say LE was blindsided by step-mom animosity. They've seen it all before.

As a missing child's mom, I'd take no prisoners myself...

And I think this was a very special case with regard to LE/family communication as it became clear to them all that they had to help LE look closely at one of their own.

It's a very unique case, that's for sure.

 

[BeanE]

A difference in this case is how much it was emphasized that LE was keeping DY and KH informed on every aspect of the case on a daily basis.

Desiree said that LE wasn't keeping them especially informed or telling them what to say. And I think the medal came from her husband's LE friends and it is a symbol of hope or the missing? Not an LE medal. TY also said that from the start he was told he would not be treated as any kind of an insider and that is the way it should be. I think D&K&T are flying solo when they make their statements.

Didn't Desiree say in one presser that the only thing LE was telling her each day was the number of tips they were getting? It was a video interview. I need to see if I can remember the timeframe so I can pull it up.

ETA: There was a transcript! Googled right up.

Reporter: Obviously, we all know that police are keeping the details of this case very confidential and close to the vest. Are you guys privy to more information than the public? Or are you in the dark as well if there is something to know?

Desiree Young: Unfortunately, we are just reinforced every day that they have more tips and how many tips they've gotten.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24037975/detail.html

June 25, the day before Kaine moved out.

 

[cypress]

IMHO, [KH,TY, and DY] have adjusted their claim of inside information as it was beneficial to them (when accusing Terri) or detrimental to LE (when defending the integrity of the investigation).

A lot of MOO on this post, but a strong MOO!

 

[cluciano63]

I think my reasoning for not being so sure Terri is involved right now is the timeframe...I will be intrigued to see how she did this, if she did, as well as all of the other things she did that morning...

 

[STEADFAST]

Didn't Desiree say in one presser that the only thing LE was telling her each day was the number of tips they were getting? It was a video interview. I need to see if I can remember the timeframe so I can pull it up.

ETA: There was a transcript! Googled right up.

Reporter: Obviously, we all know that police are keeping the details of this case very confidential and close to the vest. Are you guys privy to more information than the public? Or are you in the dark as well if there is something to know?

Desiree Young: Unfortunately, we are just reinforced every day that they have more tips and how many tips they've gotten.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24037975/detail.html

June 25, the day before Kaine moved out.

But in the same interview, Kaine said, "In the first couple weeks, and well into this week as well, we've had a lot of hours where we've spent with investigators."

I got the impression when I saw this interview that Kaine was getting a lot more information than Desiree was from LE. It makes sense because this interview was done the day before the whole MFH and R.O. thing blew up, so Kaine was getting quite an earful at the time.

 

[Calliope]

It makes no sense to me that LE would be divulging information about Kyron's case to the parents considering they don't know yet what happened to him or who was involved.