AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[DancingMuse]

That scenario just might work. Although, I've received a prank call or two from someone claiming to be LE. So now I would call LE on 911 to verify if that happened. But then, that's just me. Someone claiming to be LE just might get someone to come to the door.

Come to think of it I do remember LE ringing the door bell to get into an apartment complex lobby at midnight or one in the morning many years ago. BUT I looked out the window first and they were in uniform. And they weren't trying to knock the door down.

You were calm and smart in the moment, JnRyan.

I'm getting a vibe that partly James was tricked into coming to the door, unarmed. How could an Unsub do that quickly?

From the pictures of James, I see him as a confident, Midwestern guy and savvy of the world. Protecting his family was important to him. And many times in MSM, people have said he was a hunter. (I grew up in rural Indiana. He could easily be my uncle. James is just a classic guy like the men in my family.)

I think the Unsub knew enough of his personality to TRICK him this way. (or, similarly.)

Like other posters, I am saddened that James was murdered on his doorstep, in this craven fashion.

 

[Stunned]

I can only go by what my husband does if he hears a noise. He looks out windows to see if he can figure out what is going on.

I cannot imagine anyone going boldy to answer a door at that hour, There had to be some exploration at first, I think.

What if the person hollered they had an accident? Would he simply go to the door or think he should go help?

Nope...family inside, sorry. I would call 911. That seems so cold, but....

 

[JRW]

I agree with you. I always hear from my sister when she is waiting to pick her granddaughter up from school. That's just our personal pattern. Obviously, Denise and her sister also had a pattern. Perhaps they spoke every evening before retiring for the night...who knows. What is interesting though is that the sisters spoke at 8:30 that evening and everything seemed normal. So within a time frame of just a few hours, it seems that all hell broke loose without even a hint of trouble prior to that, according to the sister.

but it also says that they "texted" alot of emotion can be lost in texting that could be heard in voice if talking.

 

[gngr~snap]

IMO you cannot judge any 13 to olds behavior when there is a predator involved.
He sees her in his mind as he pleases, irirgardle if what she does or doesn't do.
Moo

Big typo there! I missed it. It should say
Irregardless of what she does...
My apologies!

 

[OhThatVictoria]

You were calm and smart in the moment, JnRyan.

I'm getting a vibe that partly James was tricked into coming to the door, unarmed. How could an Unsub do that quickly?

From the pictures of James, I see him as a confident, Midwestern guy and savvy of the world. Protecting his family was important to him. And many times in MSM, people have said he was a hunter. (I grew up in rural Indiana. He could easily be my uncle. James is just a classic guy like the men in my family.)

I think the Unsub knew enough of his personality to TRICK him this way. (or, similarly.)

Like other posters, I am saddened that James was murdered on his doorstep, in this craven fashion.

My now deceased Father would do the same in rural WI. Firstly, people there are more trusting of others, not on the defense (until now, perhaps). There are reasons people ring at all hours, for example hitting a deer (quite common). Folks help each other out is the mantra.

 

[SausagePizza]

The NBC article now says, "Editor's Note: A previous version of this article stated James Closs was at the family gathering in Barron, Wisconsin on Sunday, October 14. James Closs was not at the family gathering; he was at work."

Ok Good - so my blood pressure is getting back to normal now.

 

[Stunned]

Here in southern MN, cross country is in the fall.

Do,they train year round, weather permitting?

 

[JRW]

If he did work a late shift its quite possible that he was in that front room winding down. You hear a knock you answer, just so they don't wake the sleeping family.

I live close to a rehab facility and i know of at least one instance where someone who left there in the middle of the night came and knocked on our door. I didn't hear it but my 13 year old son did and opened it without having a second thought about it and called upstairs to me that someone was there. I immediately ran downstairs and shut the door (luckily they didn't come in ) and I tried to ask them through the door what they wanted... Luckily it turned out ok.. I ended up calling the police and they came and took them away. What if Jayme was up going to the bathroom.. heard the knock and opened it then her dad heard the commotion and came to the door.. shut it and thats how he was so close when the door was busted open. Its just a working theory and my own opinion but definately a way a perp could have gotten someone to answer the door.

 

[Cardinal47]

Throw us a bone LE. We surely need something. Poor Jayme where ever she may be.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Big typo there! I missed it. It should say
Irregardless of what she does...
My apologies!

I don’t think any way you spell “irregardless” is correcterer.

 

[1987]

I live close to a rehab facility and i know of at least one instance where someone who left there in the middle of the night came and knocked on our door. I didn't hear it but my 13 year old son did without having a second thought about it and called upstairs to me that someone was there. I immediately ran downstairs and shut the door (luckily they didn't come in ) and I tried to ask them through the door what they wanted... Luckily it turned out ok.. I ended up calling the police and they came and took them away. What if Jayme was up going to the bathroom.. heard the knock and opened it then her dad heard the commotion and came to the door.. shut it and thats how he was so close when the door was busted open. Its just a working theory and my own opinion but definately a way a perp could have gotten someone to answer the door.

as I understand what we know it would seem that it could have been more of attempting to hold a door shut not answering the door. moo.

 

[Medstudies]

This is in Barron? Where I lived in MN, track and field was a spring sport. Have no idea of cross country.

Jayme was only 13. The high school sports are a lot different than middle school sports.

I think someone posted a schedule ?

The middle school XC season runs the same as high school. (My kids raced competitively in Indiana, their cousins did so in Kenosha.) Teams do conditioning training through the summer, with meets going from August to October. Race length- 3K (1.8 miles)

An aside: National XC meets (footlocker - NIKE- USATF- AAU) are held around Thanksgiving- Christmas.) And yes- Track and Field is held spring (March-May)

Riverview (Barron) Middle School Cross Country Statistics - A link to two XC events from her school. NOTE: I did not see JC listed in the race results. This is not unusual. The meets listed were huge and teams can only enter their top seven runners.

There is typically a second race for the “junior varsity” runners, but these are seldom recognized/recorded. (Although the runners still receive place ribbons/medals) As a rule: every runner attends every meet.

Athletic.net search found the jpeg

 

[Moonsie]

I think we may be over complicating the front door. It’s possible it wasn’t locked and the perp just opened it. If James was found in the doorway, he may have heard the door open or have been near when it was opened.

We really don’t know how close to the door he was found, if he may have been able to take a few steps before falling or being shot again, if he was moved by anyone. There’s too many assumptions right now imo

Fairly certain that pictures of the front door post-crime show damage to it. But I agree, it’s pretty obvious that JC went to the door for a reason and was shot as a result.

moo.

 

[tmar]

I wouldn’t count out a reporting error, it seems to be the norm these days. There’s no quotes in the article about James being there, or his mood or anything. IMO

Often there are errors found in media reports.
Age of people, times of events, even names listed incorrectly.
This could be another example, and I hope if this is in error, it will be acknowledged immediately.
Otherwise, we go on different tangents!!
MOO.

 

[mtnlites]

My now deceased Father would do the same in rural WI. Firstly, people there are more trusting of others, not on the defense (until now, perhaps). There are reasons people ring at all hours, for example hitting a deer (quite common). Folks help each other out is the mantra.

I think that is important to keep in mind, too. How you, personally, would react to a situation is not necessarily the way that the people in the crime reacted. We don't have the information, upbringing, personalities, or life experiences that the people involved had/have. Someone may think, "Well I wouldn't have opened the door" but that doesn't mean that the Closses wouldn't. Where I live now people would do much like your father would've done. We still don't lock our doors most of the time. The other night I took my daughter to her school carnival and we left the car door wide open for 3 hours. My husband once returned to his car and found his wallet in the front seat with a note. He'd apparently dropped it and someone found it. They looked at his driver's license, realized who he was, and then scouted out our (unlocked) car and placed it inside for him. Nothing was missing. Naturally, when I lived in much bigger places, this would have been unheard of.

It's not like we're stupid or naive or don't have crime, or don't think that bad things can happen here. The culture of a place, and our history with it, is sometimes much stronger than the fear, though.

 

[cluciano63]

Often there are errors found in media reports.
Age of people, times of events, even names listed incorrectly.
This could be another example, and I hope if this is in error, it will be acknowledged immediately.
Otherwise, we go on different tangents!!
MOO.

They already posted a correction a page or two back...

 

[Mom24]

Often there are errors found in media reports.
Age of people, times of events, even names listed incorrectly.
This could be another example, and I hope if this is in error, it will be acknowledged immediately.
Otherwise, we go on different tangents!!
MOO.

Before this takes hold again, James did NOT attend the birthday party. This article mistakenly said that James attended the party, they have retracted that and corrected it.
Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home
"Editor's Note: A previous version of this article stated James Closs was at the family gathering in Barron, Wisconsin on Sunday, October 14. James Closs was not at the family gathering; he was at work. "

 

[tmar]

They already posted a correction a page or two back...

Thank you.
When I replied, I was not aware.

 

[#Hayls]

I keep thinking there had to be more going on at the front door than a knock. I cant see just rolling over out of bed and going to the door and if looked out a window first the person on the other side must have been known. I also cant see if was awake and heard a gun being chambered just going to the door. all I can see is if the door was actively being broken into either from kicking or a shot maybe just reaction to try to stop it or could someone have claimed a emergency, maybe yelling at the door or maybe we have the whole picture wrong of how father gets at the front door and it has nothing to do with answering the door. what would get a person to answer or even consider answering enough to be that near the door at that hour?

Also, what would make a person decide to commit such a crime when there is a good chance of the homeowner having a gun? Seems risky.
I'm not making any conclusions or assumptions.
After reading your post, that thought came to mind.

 

[Jazzy5980]

This article says Jim was at the party and theY have Jayme’s phone?

The article clearly states that Jim was at work.