tabitha111
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I noticed that no one on that plane was wearing googles or eye protection (except for some with glasses, which may help minimally.)
Are you kidding me? Allowed to infect other passengers and crew?
Diamond Princess: "After consultation with HHS officials, including experts from the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, the State Department made the decision to allow the 14 individuals, who were in isolation, separated from other passengers, and continued to be asymptomatic, to remain on the aircraft to complete the evacuation process," the agencies said.
There was a paper in arxiv very early on that had 8 patients from around the world and said that the Asian male had more of the ACE2 receptors and maybe that was why it had taken off in China especially in males.
But other scientists said that the sample size of 8 individuals with only 1 Asian male wasn't enough to draw inferences from.
Another study has potentially linked smoking with increased ACE2 receptors in the parts of the lungs that this virus seems to target and suggested that smoking might be related to more severe cases.
Also, the study of 138 January patients, I believe that didn't show up any major difference between males and females as regards more serious cases.
I remember they did this with Ebola patients also...
China: Blood plasma effective for coronavirus | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News
The Chinese government says blood plasma from people who have recovered from the new coronavirus has helped infected patients to get better. The government says a state-owned drug maker has administered blood products developed from such plasma to over 10 seriously-ill patients since February 8. It says the patients' condition clearly improved in terms of inflammation, blood oxygen levels and virus counts in their body within 12 to 24 hours after plasma infusion. An expert was quoted as saying in the absence of a vaccine and specifically targeted drugs, the use of such plasma is the most effective way to treat the infection and can significantly reduce the death toll. The expert says infusion of blood plasma from recovered patients also caused improvements among SARS patients during the 2003 outbreak.
The R0 isn't a fixed number. It can be higher on the ship than in other conditions, and the location/environment is more likely to be the explanation for this massive R0 than the age of the persons on the ship.
I've heard it said that while R0 has a relation to the virus, but it also has a relation to human behavior and the environment in which the people are living.
The R0 of Ebola in the outbreak in West Africa was far higher than the R0 of Ebola in the UK or USA even though it was the same strain of the same virus.
Our responses to a virus outbreak can affect the local R0. Without contact tracing and isolation of those testing positive there would be a higher R0 in the UK, Canada, etc.
A hundred and fifty years ago couples often had six to twelve children, so even if they all stayed home, they're living in close quarters, and back then they didn't understand as much about hygiene either but even if they had, they'd still have a high R0. Back in those days, boarding schools and orphanages would have similar issues with massive R0 in that particular population. Nursing homes have a similar issue today. Schools and colleges and universities are known as good environments for spreading diseases (high R0).
I think the comparison of children to adult to elderly is complex. Oftentimes children pick things up very easily due to the high R0 conditions in schools and children's behaviour. So it can be possible for them to bring a virus home with them, get a fairly light illness but spread it to the parents and grandparents who then go onto get more severe illness. Perhaps there's an aspect where those who have a more severe case will shed more virus and for longer (as it takes their immune system longer to 'beat' the virus), but outside of a cruise ship or nursing home I don't think they would normally spread a virus as easily as children do.
And think about a child's behaviour not just with each other at school, but then when they come home. Smaller children are cuddled, their faces and mouths are kissed, they're not as good at covering their coughs and sneezes, etc. But often if a child doesn't 'feel' ill they'll just keep moving around performing these close behaviours that can spread the virus to someone more vulnerable.
So it's a highly dependent number that can be reduced with both government-level and personal actions.
Thank you, I also saw this in the local news just nowI’ve been following along but don’t have anything intelligent to add, I’m in Lincoln and I’ve been getting News Popups and seeing Facebook Live videos from an Omaha station, looks like some of the passengers from the ship were brought to Omaha this morning. Sounds like they took some directly to UNMC.
People in hazmat suits, facemasks working around planes at Eppley Airfield
Are you kidding me? Allowed to infect other passengers and crew?
Diamond Princess: "After consultation with HHS officials, including experts from the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, the State Department made the decision to allow the 14 individuals, who were in isolation, separated from other passengers, and continued to be asymptomatic, to remain on the aircraft to complete the evacuation process," the agencies said.
They tested positive - interested in seeing when the symptoms occur. And if infectious.....scary.They can still be infectious. And who knows if all of them will even make it. The disease seems to starts off with mild symptoms similar to cold, but then in some it develops into viral pneumonia.
Yes, I did a double take on that, too.
I surmise the test results were issued fairly close to the departure time, and the six-hour departure delay was because of this issue. How to deal with the number of positive-testing passengers?
Lucky refers to getting off the boat and back to US for competent care.....
JMO
Wonder why they couldnt have gotten a separate plane for suspected infected people and keep them on a separate plane?
A plane is a fixed enclosed place and I dont think any amount of plastic sheeting could guarantee others on the plane will not breathe in the same air.
It seems common sense keeps going out the plane windows. We try to trust they are doing things right but then we keep hearing stories like this that dont make sense.
Not saying that........considering they have been left on a boat for almost 2 weeks infecting each other, another option has got to be better. They will be quarantined adequately in the US and isolated in infectious disease controlled hospitals if needed in the US.I don't think the Japanese are necessarily 'less competent' than our doctors...just saying.
Agreed. Thank you so much for this thoughtful, well written post.Someone posted a link to a DailyMail story suggesting that the virus didn't come direct from the wild (seafood market) but from an infectious diseases research centre in Wuhan.
Ticks on bats were suggested. But ticks don't really match with a respiratory virus.
I think it's important to bear in mind that these things crop up sometimes, they cross from one animal to another and/or into humans. I think one reason I feel suspicious of these 'theories' that it escaped from a lab are how often that theory comes up, like with the poisoning in Salisbury/Amesbury. I don't believe that substance came from Porton Down, I believe it came from out of the UK in a vial.
Scientists have said that they see no sign of genetic engineering in the virus. It makes little sense to purposely release such a virus. It would probably make a lot more sense to study known coronaviruses/influenzas in a lab than to be attempting to find new ones and get lucky enough to find this one, successfully transfer it into another animal, and then into humans, and then accidentally release it.
It seems a lot simpler to me (Occam's Razor) for this virus to have got into humans in the conventional way...its genome suggests it has been in a bat reservoir for a long time, just like its cousin SARS. SARS jumped into civet cats, and then into humans. They believe this one jumped into another species before jumping to humans. My guess would be that species is some kind of live animal that was on sale in that market... a chicken, a pig, something I've never heard of? This sort of thing has been happening for thousands of years. It happened less than 20 years ago with SARS. It happened with MERS. Is it really an outlandish concept that it happened again? There are four coronaviruses that cause symptoms we call 'a cold', and once upon a time they lived in an animal before a mutation happened that meant they could thrive in humans.
Yes, viruses have escaped from labs before..smallpox got out from a British lab and caused the last deaths from Smallpox in the UK, I believe. But smallpox was already in existence, nature had already made it. If SARS got out from a lab, same thing, nature already made it. I believe the most likely explanation is that this one also developed naturally. Viruses jumping species is not unusual. What would be unusual is a virus with a history like covid-19s, that doesn't appear to scientists to have been genetically engineered, there wouldn't appear to be any reason to make such a thing...it's not like an unknown variant of smallpox that shows obvious signs of genetic engineering for a purpose.
I'm also wondering why both of the planes planes landed at Eppley in Omaha this morning but apparently only 7 passengers got off the second plane to be taken to UNMC. The planes landed in the US at different locations, did they both take off from Japan with infected passengers?I thought they were fully isolated on the plane, like shown in Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #4
(that's post 967 of this thread, in case it doesn't link properly)
County Officials Declare Precautionary Public Health Emergency Amid Coronavirus Cases
Supervisor Nathan Fletcher announced the city declared a local emergency and a public health emergency to ensure readiness for the county after providing an update on the coronavirus cases in San Diego County Friday afternoon.
“We're doing this to best position our county to contain and confront the novel coronavirus,” Fletcher said.
Fletcher continued saying that this action does not signify an increase in the risk for the residents of San Diego County.”