formerjerseygirl
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Is judge Judy your Grandma?
It's hard for me to believe that they could be certain it was the girls on the video. That picture was terrible. I know le has equipment that can enhance it but do you think it could hav enhanced it enough to be positive it was the girls? There are tons of kids in this town who ride their bikes all summer long. Is there a chance it could hav been two other kids?
The timeline is so tight for last sight to bikes on the trail that I'm with Otto, I don't think it's possible that both are accurate.
They were seen by someone or something at 12:15, per police. At that time the girls were cycling. Two girls and two bikes have to be taken. The girls have to be subdued. The vehicle has to travel approximately 1.2 miles and down Maiden Lane (which is overgrown). Someone has to ensure that the girls are secured, then carry two bikes (an adult bike and a BMX) and a purse through the trees, and put them on the other side of the fence - but not at the drainage gate. Then, the person that did this has to get back to the treed area because the cyclist is there no later than 12:27 ... and he saw nothing except for two bikes. Then the bikes have to be moved to the drainage gate and the purse staged ... and the girls are immobilized while all this is happening.
Is judge Judy your Grandma?
I feel like this is something important to consider, but I'm trying very hard not to break rules. There is a local Evansdale/Waterloo connection to a $200 million ponzi scheme in Florida. The woman in the following article was recently sentenced to 30 years as the head of this scheme. Her nephew grew up in Waterloo in the home of Drew Collins and went to school with Heather. This same person is also writing very disturbing poems and posting them obsessively on the Waterloo Craigslist site. There are a lot of coincidences here.
http://1565today.com/cladek-sentenced-to-30-years-in-prison-in-dramatic-day-in-court/
In the article the nephew sounds like he considers himself a victim, but in this website he is listed as a co-president. http://www.chamberofcommerce.com/saint-augustine-fl/27849235-lydia-cladek-inc/
Here is a court document about a suit in which this person and a local Evansdale resident had to pay a large settlement. http://www.burr.com/_Downloads/cladek/Doc1429.pdf
This is worth looking at. Just the fact that this was a major FBI criminal case and there are some close local connections is worth considering.
I feel like this is something important to consider, but I'm trying very hard not to break rules. There is a local Evansdale/Waterloo connection to a $200 million ponzi scheme in Florida. The woman in the following article was recently sentenced to 30 years as the head of this scheme. Her nephew grew up in Waterloo in the home of Drew Collins and went to school with Heather. This same person is also writing very disturbing poems and posting them obsessively on the Waterloo Craigslist site. There are a lot of coincidences here.
http://1565today.com/cladek-sentenced-to-30-years-in-prison-in-dramatic-day-in-court/
In the article the nephew sounds like he considers himself a victim, but in this website he is listed as a co-president. http://www.chamberofcommerce.com/saint-augustine-fl/27849235-lydia-cladek-inc/
Here is a court document about a suit in which this person and a local Evansdale resident had to pay a large settlement. http://www.burr.com/_Downloads/cladek/Doc1429.pdf
This is worth looking at. Just the fact that this was a major FBI criminal case and there are some close local connections is worth considering.
They were seen by someone or something at 12:15, per police. At that time the girls were cycling. Two girls and two bikes have to be taken. The girls have to be subdued. The vehicle has to travel approximately 1.2 miles and down Maiden Lane (which is overgrown). Someone has to ensure that the girls are secured, then carry two bikes (an adult bike and a BMX) and a purse through the trees, and put them on the other side of the fence - but not at the drainage gate. Then, the person that did this has to get back to the treed area because the cyclist is there no later than 12:27 ... and he saw nothing except for two bikes. Then the bikes have to be moved to the drainage gate and the purse staged ... and the girls are immobilized while all this is happening.
when i rode around the bikes cant remember if they were a little east or west
True, if it were any other time. That day was different. Constant loud semi, truck and car noise from the construction on the interstate.
It was always backed way up, so it wouldn't be a quiet area, not on that day anyway. It was a hot mess trying to drive ahead even 5 feet on it. I can see someone experiencing terrible road rage seeing he was stuck in traffic, and had to watch the girls riding on their bikes free and open from where he was stuck on the interstate. The rage built up and being a possible psychopath this would be "the perfect storm". When he finally got to the Evansdale turnoff he hurried into the park, he grabbed them and ZAP they were gone. :waitasec:
If the cell phone could make 911 calls, wouldn't it also function as a clock?
Most children have been socialized, through school schedules, to have lunch at the same time of day ... so they often get hungry at that time of day. I don't see any reason for a 10 year old child, described as "adult-like" in previous threads, to be incapable of paying attention to time.
I can't see any way for a 4'1", 8-year old child to ride a BMX more than a mile, ride around to the SE tip of the lake, drop her bike in the middle of the trail and simply vanish in less than 8 minutes.
The time for the video is 12:11 + 8 (for being slow). The earliest time for the cyclist reporting bikes on the trail is 12:27. Everything has to have happened in less than 8 minutes, and I just don't see that as a possibility.
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This makes me wonder if the girls were trying to turn around. Like they saw something ahead that scared them and they tried to turn their bikes around but they were accosted before they could get all the way around. They would have had to jump off and physically turn the bikes around on that path I think.
They were seen by someone or something at 12:15, per police. At that time the girls were cycling. Two girls and two bikes have to be taken. The girls have to be subdued. The vehicle has to travel approximately 1.2 miles and down Maiden Lane (which is overgrown). Someone has to ensure that the girls are secured, then carry two bikes (an adult bike and a BMX) and a purse through the trees, and put them on the other side of the fence - but not at the drainage gate. Then, the person that did this has to get back to the treed area because the cyclist is there no later than 12:27 ... and he saw nothing except for two bikes. Then the bikes have to be moved to the drainage gate and the purse staged ... and the girls are immobilized while all this is happening.
It wasn't the girls on the bikes in the video?
Been trying to keep up on this case and cannot believe how little there is to go off of! The one thing I keep thinking about, and hopefully someone can tell me what the general consensus is on it, is the RSO who lived on River Forest Rd at the time of the abduction who seemed to suddenly up & move on July 25th. Also noticed that there was a meth lab bust in the same apartment building around May 2011. Seems very odd to me. If this was a place the girls had been taken to maybe they felt comfortable with other tenants? If they rode bikes past this address they may have chatted with him? Has this been discussed yet? I've tried to go back thru all the threads but wow there is so much info! I did see where someone brought up the RSO, but that was before I realized he moved to St. Olaf, IA.