ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 13

[Chelly]

Does anyone else think killer had a well-prepared murder plan?

I think he wanted quick in and out. Likely entered through 2nd flr sliding door. Immediately killed 2nd flr residents to prevent their interference. Next, went up to 3rd flr, killed remaining victims. Quickly proceeded back down to 2nd flr and exited where he came in. my opinion. Agree with LE that victims were targeted.

 

[DizzyB]

I know several people ( not murderers) who would not consent to giving their DNA. It's a real thing.

Not a murderer, but you can’t have my DNA.

 

[rescuemom]

Sorry, I don’t know how to shorten your post, but I made bold the sentences that caught my attention. I think LE is trying to get any video that would perhaps verify that a person who gave an alibi of heading out of town shortly after 2 am had actually driven out of town in the direction they said they went. MOO. Sort of on the lines of if you don’t see something you’d expect to see, then it throws up a red flag.

Who does LE think left town after 2am??

 

[Janitor101]

I just had a flash after reading your post… I would think every resident of the gray apartment complex across the road has been investigated/considered. However, perhaps there was a party or small gathering at one of those apartments that night. The specifics are just speculation now, but that may explain why/how someone may have seen K, M, X, or E and from which vantage point. Standard MOO, of course.

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The wording has always made me think that someone was found on the floor next to a bed or close to a bed, maybe rolled out during a short struggle after the initial attack. Of course JMO.

 

[pentimento]

Does anyone else think killer had a well-prepared murder plan?

I think he wanted quick in and out. Likely entered through 2nd flr sliding door. Immediately killed 2nd flr residents to prevent their interference. Next, went up to 3rd flr, killed remaining victims. Quickly proceeded back down to 2nd flr and exited where he came in. my opinion. Agree with LE that victims were targeted.

I was thinking along the same lines but I'm not sure who was killed first. Definitely well-planned, not something as a result of anything that occurred that day or any recent event. He had to take into account and plan for the number of people there in the house, and the dog. JMO.

 

[layer]

Not a murderer, but you can’t have my DNA.

Likewise

 

[WildWest]

I was also thinking about that… My first thought was that he was looking at the window lock… I seem to recall law-enforcement stating that the victims had been found in two bedrooms only… it looks like this window he is looking out of is from Madison’s room? Which is where her and Kaylee were sleeping? I have wondered why on earth there wasn’t a ton of blood seen near the sliding glass door downstairs (if we’re assuming the killer exited there)… I also wondered why surviving roommates/friends who called 911 would have reported unconscious person, if there was a massive amount of blood in the hallway and on the stairs (again, assuming that the killer came back downstairs from the third floor, to the second floor, to exit through the sliding glass doors)… maybe they reported an unconscious person because the killer actually left through that window in this photo, and jumped from the deck… seems like it could at least be a possibility… otherwise, I would imagine there would be blood all over the place and the surviving roommates would’ve called 911 immediately, rather than calling friends over first… and would’ve reported a massive amount of blood rather than “an unconscious person”… just a thought… I do not understand why the police will explain this whole weird “unconscious person” thing…

I've lived on the upper level of a house in cold areas, in the winter the thermostat gets turned up for the lower level, and somehow the heat all travels upstairs. I wonder if a window on the 2nd or 3rd floor was cracked because of this?, if this house was similar?

 

[r3d-ros3]

Have taken some space from WS and the case because of the influx of information and opinions on the case. It seems, more and more to me, that this was a methodically executed and senseless crime, and the perpetrator was likely not a close friend or anyone very well-known to the victims. Like others in the thread(s), I think this was likely someone on the periphery of one of the victims' lives; someone who felt rejected or had the impression that they had something "to prove." IMO.

I have seen recent photos of the crime scene of the investigators and LE looking through the windows to the exterior - I am hopeful that they see something (even if just a potential way to go "quietly into the night," so to speak) from their careful look at the interior / exterior of the home. As someone who works in higher ed, I am also happy to see the university offering so many resources to students. Cannot imagine being local to the area during this time.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

It tells me that LE knows wayyyy more than they are letting on.

Again, the Pullman, WA case was ~not~ a murder but ~was~ a double stabbing in 1999, not 2020.

The person was quickly identified, prosecuted, & sentenced less than a year after the attack.

 

[wtrbrdm]

Not a murderer, but you can’t have my DNA.

Hmmmmmmmmm.....where were YOU on the 13th ??????????? lol

I'm not red, not blue, not left, not right....but you're not getting mine either. "If you don't have anything to hide....." falls on deaf ears with me.

Since K came back to town to show off her new .....I'm curious who she called to let know she was coming back? My opinion is still that she was targeted and the rest collateral. So, either she was spotted in town by the assailant or he knew she was coming to visit....

Occam's Razor is real. I don't think this was a Tyvek wearing, NVG donning highly skilled perp. My gut is still with those who think some sort of rejected incel...loaner....obsessive .

Edit: Typo

 

[Catz]

Who does LE think left town after 2am??

That I do not know. I’m just speculating why they might be looking for video of the major road 95 that leaves town.

 

[r3d-ros3]

I just don’t find the late time unusual. We used to call it being on college time. After a night out, my roommates and I would often come down late morning/early afternoon after recovering, watching tv in rooms, sleeping in. In fact, I think it would have been unusable if they had been up at 8am, perky and ready for the day after going to bed after 1:00am.

Completely agree and, I think it's important to note, that in large houses with multiple roommates, bedrooms are "sanctuaries" of sorts -- you can depend on privacy and winding down when you are in your own space, rather than a common area. I'm close to the age of the victims, and on some weekend mornings, I spend hours after waking up just looking at my phone or reading in bed. It's very normal.

 

[crhedBngr]

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Saturday, Nov 26th 2022

Pink cowboy boots of murdered Idaho student seen in window

Madison Mogen, 21, was brutally stabbed to death on November 13 with three of her Idaho University housemates by a killer whose identity remains a mystery.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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Up close and personal

Heartbreaking.

JMVHO.

 

[annpats]

I do not believe that the suspect entered through the 3rd floor balcony...MOO

No, nor do I.
You'd have to be Spiderman to climb up there.

 

[Petunia83]

Actually, what she corrected was the statement "found in their beds". Since E didn't have a bed in that house, it would be impossible for him to be found in his bed there.


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It could be because K was potentially in M’s bed, also.

 

[Terry McRae]

I don’t think Kaylee was the target. Perp would have killed her dog. Lots of attention on the girls but not much about Ethan. I know that’s a long shot and he didn’t actually live at that house but most likely knew he would be there on weekends. Or someone saw him go there? Is it known where Ethan and Xana were between time they left SigChi house and the arrived at Xana’s house? Did Xana have an exboyfriend?

 

[Elley Mae]

I've lived on the upper level of a house in cold areas, in the winter the thermostat gets turned up for the lower level, and somehow the heat all travels upstairs. I wonder if a window on the 2nd or 3rd floor was cracked because of this?, if this house was similar?

Hot air rises cold air falls.
Density.

Eta it was backwards

 

[annpats]

You are certainly as right or as wrong as all of us here, and I value your insights as equal to anyone's.

That was a beautiful thing to say. Refreshingly honest, and so very, very true.

 

[Deerrun]

Hot air falls cold air rises. Density.

I think it's the other way around. Warm air rises and cool air falls.

 

[Boratsagdiyev]

I think it's the other way around. Warm air rises and cool air falls.

100% true. Cold air is more dense so it sinks. Hot air isn’t as dense so it can rise more easily.