ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 31

[branmuffin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1603527019685613568

Someone earlier posted about a car LE were searching for in a different case. I think they stated LE initially went was looking for a Toyota but changed it to a Honda.

The more I look at the video still the more I think that vehicle isn't a Hyundai Elantra. I reminds me so much of a Ford Focus hatchback. Here's an image of one from 2012. Side profile facing the same way as the video still. The headlight configuration (more rounded) seems to match up better than the Elantra. The angle of the rear quarter pane window seems to match the angled shape of the video still image. IMO

 

[acutename]

Does anyone have an idea of what these “special analysis tools” would do? All I could think of was sharpening a blurry video. Are there other tools?

pull stills out of the video and automatcally compare slight differences, IMO

 

[OldCop]

TRANSCRIPT
CAPTAIN DISCUSSES VIDEO SURVEILLANCE

15TH. DECEMBER.

Question - Take us back when Investigators first started asking for video. What sources were you asking to get video from?.

Captain - Well, we started looking for video the day of the crime. Officers on scene, before I even arrived, had identified certain residences in the area that had video cameras. We know, just from past experience, that security cameras, doorbell cameras and the like are very, very commonplace now. And, that's a part of our standard procedure is to start looking for a possible video source in and around the crime scene. So, we started the day of the crime and then that expanded as we got more investigators to the area for assistance and we started putting together teams and one of our teams sole job was to go through the King Rd. area, associated neighbourhoods and eventually the main thoroughfares in the City of Moscow, trying to identify videos, video cameras etc., and then contact those business owners, contact those residents and ask for copies of that video.

Question - Initially, there was a particular area outlined as where the priority was for asking for video. Why was that area selected?.

Captain - Well, that area was selected because, essentially, it surrounds the King Rd. area and we know that people typically have to travel to and from. We weren't trying to pigeon hole our investigation into - the suspect lives in the area. We wanted to make sure that we covered all the bases and so, as we began to gather more information, we began to expand our search area. You may recall from the second press conference that we specifically put out a plea to the public for any video in the King Rd. area and then we gave a defined area, and we put that area on our website as well, asking residents, 'hey, if you have video or if your neighbour has video, let us know so we can get a copy of that'. We understand that video has a finite life and sometimes systems will start recording over themselves. So, we started that process very, very early in the investigation.

Question - Why ask the public for additional help with this white car?.

Captain - Well, through our tips, through our leads, some of the evidence that came in, we started to identify patterns and, like we said earlier, we are confident that the occupant or occupants of that vehicle have information that's critical to this investigation. We also understand that even though there is sometimes a fascination with a particular case, some people simply don't see the news and may not know that we're looking for it. So, if we get the word out there, 'hey, maybe your neighbour has one in the garage they don't drive very often. Maybe there's one that's just not on the registration database'. Let us know. So far, we have a list of approximately 22,000 registered White Hyundai Elantra's that fit into our criteria that we're sorting through. That's an awful lot of information, but it may not be all of them. So, the public can help us with that.

Thank you.

 

[drmrgrl]

Methodical.....planned then?

Methodical=using a method
Planned= premeditation

 

[drmrgrl]

My thoughts precisely. No words spoken. Little to no noise aside from a couple moments of struggling to eliminate any possible threat. Structured, disciplined, and regulated. In and out. He was there for one purpose, once it was satisfied, he was gone. As I wrote in an earlier post, he’s a planner. He visualized what he was going to do (to a degree, as variables always change the field) and then simply followed through. Psychosomatics. He is also possibly very rigid and uptight. But he wasn’t there to chat, visit, steal, rape, or assault the foursome. He was there with the pure intent to kill. Someone this disciplined, has more than likely killed before. I believe the dog was already placed in a room by one of the girls or other housemates. The killer would have eliminated Murphy as well - if not for that small miracle. JMOO

IMO, Rigid and uptight yes, a planner yes, would he have killed the dog?-that I’m not sure of

 

[LynnWhite]

Here’s what I mean by the black A pillar…top photo is the stock photo of a 2013 Elantra we keep seeing, then the gas station video, then a Veloster. See how the pillar running up the windshield to the roof is black? If the gas station car is THE car they’re looking for, I really don’t think it’s an Elantra or anything with a painted A pillar.

The shape of the rear windows don’t seem to match either do they

 

[GhostGhost]

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There are two powerful coincidences here.

1) KG decides to come back to show off her car.

2) KG was about to be gone forever from that area and State.

 

[drmrgrl]

Could this have been a robbery gone wrong? The assailant looks out the bedroom window, sees the police presence and bails?

IMO. This wasn’t a planned robbery, but that doesn’t mean something wasn’t taken

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Exactly I have said numerous times that it’s very odd that the person in the white Hyundai has not come Ford.

Someone suggested that the person may have not known. The person and or persons in the white Hyundai know that they are being called to come forward. That person is free to their opinion and I am free to mine. They are mistaken for that view.

It’s 2022, every newspaper, tv station, social media site, message board, and the internet in general has been talking about this case non stop. So unless they live under a rock than they know they anre being called upon and are purposely avoiding. Either because they are the killer or killers or they know who the killer and or killers are and want to protect them. JMO

I agree with all of this, except for one bit; there are other reasons, selfish or foolish, that someone might not come forward IMO.

 

[everybodhi]

Does anyone have an idea of what these “special analysis tools” would do? All I could think of was sharpening a blurry video. Are there other tools?

As far as the tools they have, they hold that information close but as a for instance of what they do:

“Earlier this week, Forbes revealed work on a Mitre-FBI project to take people’s fingerprints from images on social media sites like Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.”

“..the unit is a small, specialist division within the FBI whose sole focus is to build software to analyze photo and video in major crimes.”

“As it seeks to improve its ability to sift through such abundances of video at major crime scenes, Forbes has learned that a previously-unreported forensics division within the FBI called the Multimedia Exploitation Unit (MXU) has been tasked with this role. It has cost at least $35 million since 2016 and draws on cutting-edge expertise from Mitre Corporation, a non-profit government skunkworks that receives between $1 and $2 billion a year from the U.S. government.”

“The unit has pushed one smaller security contractor - West Virginia-based Azimuth Inc - to create tech for "bulk multimedia search" and “image clustering” that brings together content that’s been flagged by facial and object recognition technology in an easy-to-digest tool”

This Secret $35 Million FBI Unit Mixes Facial Recognition With Big Data To Investigate America’s Most Horrific Crimes

 

[SuziQ]

True. The Mobil station woman said that at 3:45 AM the vehicle, westbound on White Ave., turned onto Troy or Hwy 8, and then turned onto a side street. Police haven't released additional details.

However, the same possible car that was westbound on White Avenue at 3:45 AM was also westbound towards the murders at Linda Lane at 2:45-3:15 AM. That is 5 minutes from the murders.

Perhaps the first time the car was seen on CCTV was to commit the murders, the second time was to avoid detection and taking backroads after the murders?

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I wonder if the clock didn't change this fall. That would make the time 2:45 which would make a lot more sense if it was heading west toward the murder. Imo.

 

[drmrgrl]

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There are two powerful coincidences here.

1) KG decides to come back to show off her car.

2) KG was about to be gone forever from that area and State.

IMO, you would think that she was the target, yes?

 

[GhostGhost]

IMO, you would think that she was the target, yes?

If she’s not, those are odd coincidences.

Something we should consider.

MOO

 

[drmrgrl]

I agree with all of this, except for one bit; there are other reasons, selfish or foolish, that someone might not come forward IMO.

Or, they were having an illicit affair, they were out delivering newspapers, were late for work, or they were having a late night chocolate craving.

 

[GhostGhost]

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There are two powerful coincidences here.

1) KG decides to come back to show off her car.

2) KG was about to be gone forever from that area and State.

Third, the killer is arriving just as they are going to sleep.

MOO.

 

[drmrgrl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1603451238225309696

IMO, I wonder if the occupants in the white Hyundai saw something and are afraid to come forward. They are not the killers themselves, but perhaps they saw somebody dressed in black skulking around the backyard or a dark figure walking up Queen Rd, or perhaps they saw something important, but are UNAWARE that they did.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Does anyone have an idea of what these “special analysis tools” would do? All I could think of was sharpening a blurry video. Are there other tools?

I think they would have something similar to facial recognition but with vehicles where they can use CAD or AI or software pin point a car's measurements, window spacing, grill, model, design, etc.

I looked briefly online and found this Vehicle Make and Model Recognition technology. So maybe something similar?

Vehicle Make and Model Recognition

asuratechnologies.com

 

[Curiosa20]

I wonder if the clock didn't change this fall. That would make the time 2:45 which would make a lot more sense if it was heading west toward the murder. Imo.

Thank you, SuziQ. I couldn’t resolve that conundrum. That makes sense.

 

[DeViLintheDetaiL]

I believe K's sister was the first one who mentioned an Uber in the early days, but then that was later backtracked. But if you read early reports, that was what was being said, and it would have been easy to just assume that still remained as true. (Kind of like how I'd internalized the 3-4 am timeframe from early reports without ever realizing the mayor had said that until people brought that up here.)

You're welcome! K's dad is actually the one who finally mentioned that it was a sorority program, but I think it explains why the police in their updates always called it a private third party, ruling out an Uber or similar service but also just a friend casually giving them a ride.

I posted about this in previous threads. Where did K's dad mention it was a "sorority program". Did he specifically use those words? Because what does that even mean? Is it a company the sorroritys runs a tab with or some local guy trying to make a few bucks on the side by offering the service they all use? The guy Joe I believe his name is interviewed from the bar said the guy pulled up and yelled out to the girls "Hurry up". That utterance sounds pretty familiar to me. I'm not doubting the sorroritys service explanation but words used are important and it seems like people are all using different words to describe what the car service was. I'm sure the police could verify if the Greek life service had a name of the program if it exists. If it does exist and it's legit they should have a log of pickups they were dispatched to. If they don't have a log and some organization than how valid of a service could it be with no responsibility or supervision to answer to? Were there other passengers in the car and multiple stops? Its just concerning to me that when the words Private party or Uber is used eyebrows raise but when "sorroritys driving service" is used people are set at ease and rule it out just because someone said it was a sorroritys service without examining it further and getting it straight.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

If she’s not, those are odd coincidences.

Something we should consider.

MOO

Yes the timing has always gotten to me. Her one day in town and she happens to get murdered... JMO.