Hi all - long time since I've been on here! So a lot of previous discussion has proved true! It seems that the suspected baby no. 4 was not stillborn though and is also in care now - I hope with a good family and together with siblings <3. My suspicion that a 'conspirituality' issue is also looking highly likely.
I see people have already been asking about the kitty litter (?!) and mess on the hob and whether they were drug related. 19k is a lot to burn through staying staying in Travelodges - even with a few mega taxi rides.
The powder on the hob to my mind could be from cooking crack - which I believe is relatively simple - and crack itself can look like certain brands of kitty litter to the unknowing eye. I also saw that kitty litter can be used to cook meth but that seems to my mind a very complex undertaking in a holiday home.
But surely this would have been described as such by the prosecution...?
Of course, the owners could have cleared away the evidence not realising what it was and it has since not been able to prove if there were drugs there or, if that was established, link it to the couple.
Apologies if I have covered old ground - I have some catching up to do. It's going to be an interesting few weeks.
Some further thoughts about drugs.
From a look around the internet I've noted the following:
For Meth, the ingredients can be obtained here and there e.g.
ammonia (urine) acetone (nail polish) anti-freeze, iodine, Kitty litter,
over the counter medications, camping fuel, plastic bottles etc.
the US sites say it is commonly made in sheds, hotel rooms and even in cars. The vapours produced are dangerously toxic, especially to children and very flammable. Co- incidentally MG was 20 years? in a US prison.
I also cannot imagine anyone who takes drugs leaving any behind anywhere hurry or not.
I haven't read that any of the witnesses actually saw the baby alive or heard her. The description of her having a 'wobbly head' with no further detail (looking, awake, asleep, gurgling, crying, moving) does not suggest normality to me, I recall one report up thread that 'they' had a meal in a restaurant in Brick Lane (London) sometime after the car-fire, but were 'they' two or three people? was the baby present with them for a meal out?
I also wonder about the purchase and then discarding of the pram or push-chair? After the baby had died, whenever that was, it would be foolish to put her into it, because someone might notice whereas by holding onto her closely and showing either nothing or just her head....?
Not many people would suspect a passing stranger to be carrying a dead baby.
I don't think the court has suggested that the £19K+ paid into CM's account was spent, but that it was paid into her account during the time of these events, CM may have has lots more money than that, but accessing it would reveal her whereabouts. I assume the police would have a picture of when and how she used her account/s.
I think they did not buy a campervan to stay in as a poster has queried, because that would be more easily traceable by its registration number than the series of hotel rooms, b and b and tents that they chose instead. They had previous experience, as reported, of living in a camper van so presumably had considered this. So they were really trying to be untraceable, they had two cars in quick succession.
