2011.01.05 Hearing TES Volunteer Computer Subpoena

[Lera213]

HHBP, we are just chit chatting. LOL

 

[A_News_Junkie]

HHBP, we are just chit chatting. LOL

'pacifically what do you mean there! hehehe :great:

See my update - commentary now in MuzikMans inbox. They covered the whoopin' a bit too!

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[faefrost]

It was very interesting how HHBP interrupted CM to say Judge (can't recall is name right now) just left. It was almost as if he knew there was a purpose for Judge So and So to be there, and was letting CM know.....he knew what was going on and with the judge abruptly leaving the courtroom, evidently the mission failed.

Here's a few of the interesting bits from that article about Judge eaton that nums linked. VERY VERY TELLING about what CM is up to.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ziano-off-death-row-joseph-crazy-joe-spaziano

First up he was apparently "the" Death Penalty expert judge.
Eaton, 67, of Sanford, became a nationally recognized expert on the death penalty and taught other judges from across the country how to try those cases.

And just take a look at this little case in the judges history...

"Everybody I know thinks the world of him," said Orlando defense attorney Don Lykkebak. "He has a … very finely honed knowledge of the law. … I think we're losing a very fine jurist."

In 1998, Lykkebak represented a topless dancer, Rachel Reed, 22, whose 1-year-old daughter and a playmate had drowned in a pool after wandering into the backyard while Reed was asleep. Prosecutors charged Reed with manslaughter.

Eaton presided at her trial. After hearing only the state's case, he granted a judgment of acquittal, finding Reed not guilty. If Reed were convicted, the judge said, then any parent whose child was ever hurt or killed during a moment of inattention could be put on trial.

Yep! I think we can see what directions CM is looking there. I also think that HHJP cut him off at the knees.

 

[LancelotLink]

Listening to this, JB sounds so put upon with having to do the work he should have done. He is never going to get it. I like the staggered idea, keep JB's nose (which seems to stay out of joint) to the grindstone!!

Thanks to everyone for the playback! And the play by plays! And pacifically the chit chat!!

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

I still wonder if this will play out like Casey's check fraud charges. All of the circus.. then a guilty plea the day of.

 

[LancelotLink]

I love it. HHJBP actually used "pacific"when talking about fishing.

 

[LancelotLink]

I still wonder if this will play out like Casey's check fraud charges. All of the circus.. then a guilty plea the day of.

Or we get a repeat of the hearing where JS had her brought to the courthouse. I can see her clinging to the cell door jam as they try to haul her out.

 

[logicalgirl]

I'm trying to catch up with this thread, but I'm going to take a guess on this subject. Judge Eaton has in incredible resume' including serving on the Florida Bar Criminal Procedure Rules Committee from 1994 - 2001. He's been instrumental in writing policy and procedure.

Obviously CM invited Judge Eaton to sit in on Monday's hearing for a reason. It may be that CM wants an assessment of HHBP's rulings as JB and CM plan to challange HHBP's court orders. They needed someone who's written policy and procedure there to determine if HHBP has made any procedural errors.

Judge Eaton has recently retired. My guess is he is better friends with HHJP than he is of CM. Maybe he's heard about this case, happened to be in the building and dropped in to see for himself a bit of the case.

Somehow, I can't imagine anyone being impressed enough with CM to do anything of a procedural nature for him. Just IMO of course.

 

[LancelotLink]

Now no razzing the recorder for her fast forward and overshots with rewinds --- Musikman and I were on a rush job here and the state isn't even paying us $3.00 an hour! LOL <---- anyway you want it!

One more soon.

UPDATE - SENT COMMENTARY on today and Monday to Muzikman. So that is coming soon.
ENJOY.

R U Kidding?? I bow to your miracles!!
Thank you!!

 

[logicalgirl]

Now no razzing the recorder for her fast forward and overshots with rewinds --- Musikman and I were on a rush job here and the state isn't even paying us $3.00 an hour! LOL <---- anyway you want it!

One more soon.

UPDATE - SENT COMMENTARY on today and Monday to Muzikman. So that is coming soon.
ENJOY.

It was even better the second time A_News_Junkie! Thanks so much to you and Muzikman for making it happen. Those who didn't watch the first time around can now see what we have all been "crowing" about!

 

[gamom]

Here's a few of the interesting bits from that article about Judge eaton that nums linked. VERY VERY TELLING about what CM is up to.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ziano-off-death-row-joseph-crazy-joe-spaziano

First up he was apparently "the" Death Penalty expert judge.
Eaton, 67, of Sanford, became a nationally recognized expert on the death penalty and taught other judges from across the country how to try those cases.

And just take a look at this little case in the judges history...

"Everybody I know thinks the world of him," said Orlando defense attorney Don Lykkebak. "He has a … very finely honed knowledge of the law. … I think we're losing a very fine jurist."

In 1998, Lykkebak represented a topless dancer, Rachel Reed, 22, whose 1-year-old daughter and a playmate had drowned in a pool after wandering into the backyard while Reed was asleep. Prosecutors charged Reed with manslaughter.

Eaton presided at her trial. After hearing only the state's case, he granted a judgment of acquittal, finding Reed not guilty. If Reed were convicted, the judge said, then any parent whose child was ever hurt or killed during a moment of inattention could be put on trial.

Yep! I think we can see what directions CM is looking there. I also think that HHJP cut him off at the knees.

I don't know much about the Reed case, however, the big problem with the accident or inattention theory is...KC was inattentive for 31 days. Never reporting her child missing. It was CA who actually reported her missing. That goes well and beyond a moment of inattention. I am not sure if you can explain a month of inattention.

 

[faefrost]

What in the world was up with Cheney Mason in today's hearing? The post about Weekend at Bernie's was pretty accurate! He sat in the same position, hand up to his mouth, turned sideways, slouching and didn't move. It appeared to me that at least twice JB turned to him as if to ask for help or get some input from him and he didn't even acknowledge him. It was bizarre to say the least!

I think the technical term for what CM was trying very hard to pull off today is " I'M NOT WITH HIM!"

I think HHJP may have pulled off a strategically brilliant act that will greatly help in moving the case forward, with regards to the sanctions ruling and the associated commentary on Monday. he Sanctioned JB and not CM, but at the same time left it open regarding holding ALL of them including C "I've never been cited for contempt in a 40 year career" M.

Now someone above asked if we would be seeing CM attempt to flee the sinking ship. here's the catch. he's the Death Penalty qualified attorney of record. he can't. At least not without the judges permission, which is rather obviously not going to be easily forthcoming.

Now to further add to this, JB cannot choose to leave either. He is even more firmly locked in by the new Florida law that prevents a private attorney, who has recieved payment, to bail on a case once a defendant is declared indigent. So he's stuck too.

Now for HHJP to forcibly remove a lawyer from the case... that is more than problematic. It is not something that a judge ever wants to get involved in, and would certainly massively delay the trial. However the defendant has the option of firing lawyers (at least the private ones). The judge has to approve their departure, but it is doubtful that he would choose to force a lawyer to stay against her wishes (unless they were the only DP attorney on the team).

So now with the threat of contempt hanging over their heads, and no sign of the courtroom bruisings ending, CM has got to be starting to wonder what he can do to get JB out of the picture once and for all. if just to protect himself. (That was the brilliant part in HHJP's santions decision. CM has no reason and no benefit to be gained by helping JB further delay the reports or fight the sanctions. attempting to do so opens CM up to contempt charges that he knows he just barely dodged. he just wants JB to shut up, produce the reports and pay the bill). Now CM is one of the few that can actually talk to KC and try and steer her in that direction away from JB. I suspect his body language today seeking to ignore and isolate himself from JB is just the beginning of something like this.

 

[LinasK]

I think the technical term for what CM was trying very hard to pull off today is " I'M NOT WITH HIM!"

I think HHJP may have pulled off a strategically brilliant act that will greatly help in moving the case forward, with regards to the sanctions ruling and the associated commentary on Monday. he Sanctioned JB and not CM, but at the same time left it open regarding holding ALL of them including C "I've never been cited for contempt in a 40 year career" M.

Now someone above asked if we would be seeing CM attempt to flee the sinking ship. here's the catch. he's the Death Penalty qualified attorney of record. he can't. At least not without the judges permission, which is rather obviously not going to be easily forthcoming.

Now to further add to this, JB cannot choose to leave either. He is even more firmly locked in by the new Florida law that prevents a private attorney, who has recieved payment, to bail on a case once a defendant is declared indigent. So he's stuck too.

Now for HHJP to forcibly remove a lawyer from the case... that is more than problematic. It is not something that a judge ever wants to get involved in, and would certainly massively delay the trial. However the defendant has the option of firing lawyers (at least the private ones). The judge has to approve their departure, but it is doubtful that he would choose to force a lawyer to stay against her wishes (unless they were the only DP attorney on the team).

So now with the threat of contempt hanging over their heads, and no sign of the courtroom bruisings ending, CM has got to be starting to wonder what he can do to get JB out of the picture once and for all. if just to protect himself. (That was the brilliant part in HHJP's santions decision. CM has no reason and no benefit to be gained by helping JB further delay the reports or fight the sanctions. attempting to do so opens CM up to contempt charges that he knows he just barely dodged. he just wants JB to shut up, produce the reports and pay the bill). Now CM is one of the few that can actually talk to KC and try and steer her in that direction away from JB. I suspect his body language today seeking to ignore and isolate himself from JB is just the beginning of something like this.

Yet I think Casey is happy with JB, and likes what he's putting up as her defense. (He's alot like her!) She won't ever claim it was an accident, or plead out IMO- her ego won't allow it. She's a female Scott Peterson, and will go to Death Row sticking to her story!:twocents: SODDI was his defense too!!!

 

[mydailyopinions]

After watching the hearing, I am reminded of the many, many interviews where Baez continues to say that we will hear the whole story at trial.

We are 5 months out now, I hope he has figured out the whole story :great::floorlaugh:

 

[cyberborg]

I don't know much about the Reed case, however, the big problem with the accident or inattention theory is...KC was inattentive for 31 days. Never reporting her child missing. It was CA who actually reported her missing. That goes well and beyond a moment of inattention. I am not sure if you can explain a month of inattention.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Ugly coping? Good luck with that JB!

 

[MD MOMMY]

I don't know much about the Reed case, however, the big problem with the accident or inattention theory is...KC was inattentive for 31 days. Never reporting her child missing. It was CA who actually reported her missing. That goes well and beyond a moment of inattention. I am not sure if you can explain a month of inattention.

Right and her inattention made Caylee slap duct tape across her face too.

 

[RR0004]

Courtesy of A News Junkie, the hearing!!! :rocker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqTVs6ZGY

Nothing like the real thing, baby!

 

[gamom]

Right and her inattention made Caylee slap duct tape across her face too.

The sad thing is, I think if KC would have reported her daughter missing even if it would have been a few hours before CA came and drug it out of her, I think the accident theory could have flown. At the very least she would not be facing the death penalty. Then we would have never heard the car smells like a dead body's been in the trunk...ect. If you think about it, Caylee was not found until Dec. The evidence would have still been pretty much washed away. The Zanny the Nanny story and never reporting her missing as well as the party photos during the time period and the statements by GA and CA to the police and 911 call are really the factors that I think will prevent her from ever being free again.

 

[Leila]

I think his career was in the toilet before this case ever began.

I'm way behind in this thread as I went shopping this afternoon. But, all afternoon I thought about this case and all the ins and outs.

I've come to the conclusion that Monday's hearing and today's hearing were pivotal to the whole case...............

The defendant doesn't have even a prayer of being acquitted. JB went into this case expecting it to be a career builder, and was hoping to become the next F. Lee Bailey or Johnny Cochran. That's not going to happen either. JB is an embarrassment to the legal profession. He won't be going on the talk show circuit, nor will there be requests for him to write a book. His career as a defense attorney is over. He's established that he's unethical, doesn't know the law, and doesn't even know legal procedure. He can't even follow court orders.

I've long thought that there was a reason behind George and Cindy not visiting their daughter in jail. In addition to Casey not wanting to see her parents, JB was working frantically to keep them apart. He didn't want George and Cindy suggesting to Casey that she fire JB and find a better attorney.

There was one time when this became crystal clear..........Casey requested to see her father and arrangements were made that she and her father would have a brief time alone. LE picked George up at his home and took him to the jail. JB was supposedly out of town, but evidently he had returned and when he found out about the private visit with her father, he got down to the jail and made sure that didn't take place. I think if Casey and George had been allowed to talk privately, JB wouldn't be Casey's attorney, and the case might be over and done with by now.

I think the best thing that could happen is that Casey change her plea to guilty and throw herself on the mercy of the court and proceed to the penalty phase. The defense should be putting all their efforts into mitigation as they're not going to get an acquittal. It would spare the tax-payers of Florida the huge expense of a trial. I think a decent, ethical defense attorney would have done this two years ago.

 

[RR0004]

My impressions of the hearing...Baez didn't sound so bad...he just wasn't exactly sure where he was going with this, IMO, probably because the law didn't support his arguments. His PI has had a whole lot of experience with JJ...why they waited till after the depo to find out background info is beyond me. Baez just seemed ill-prepared. If he followed the "blogs" he would know that pics of the exact area Caylee was found didn't exist...if they did, I'm sure JJ would have handed them over to LE. Now, I probably will get heat for this...but by emailing LE his personal opinions, he did open himself up to questioning. He earned a deposition...and it was done. Not JJ's fault that JB can't accept what he said...but I can see why the defense filed this motion. Unfortunately for them, there was no legal basis to grant it.