2011.01.06 Baez Slapped with Formal Sanction

[The World According]

In the words of Tim Miller, "I am pissed off about it". This is so outrageous. How dare he try to act like whatever the defense team has done is not his responsibility? It is indeed he, Scamp, you are right, it is Cheny Mason who endorsed, allowed, condoned, the lazy, condescending refusal to honor the court's order. We know this because of the words Baez echoed of Cheney's calling it divulgng of the expert's script of what they'll testify to.
Even looking at it in the light most favorable to Mason, which I certainly do not, let's pretend he had no idea of the ridiculous answer and filing Jose was going to make. Well, when he did see it, as we all did, he certainly should have dropped everything and said....hold on...oh boy...let me lead now. Rather than letting it continue he could have gotten serious and made sure that after the very careful clarification the judge gave that he showed little brother how to do it properly.

Instead, he perpetuated the problem by allowing, encouraging, endorsing Jose's stance that the judge is ridiculous and they should not comply. I was appalled that the judge specifically named only Jose. I have said repeatedly that Cheney should be held more , not less accountable ;becuase, after forty years of practicing law he KNOWS the discovery rules. HE KNOWS what the judge asked for is well within his auhtority. He should have humbly guided the boat to shore.

He is Eddie Haskel telling Mrs. Cleaver he is shocked at what Wally did although he is the one right beside Wally in his mischief, right up to his eyeballs!!! (Eddie Haskell: Wally, if your dumb brother tags along, I'm gonna - oh, good afternoon, Mrs. Cleaver. I was just telling Wallace how pleasant it would be for Theodore to accompany us to the movies.)



How dare he?!!! As much as I do not care for Jose, Cheney Mason writing that letter was wrrrrrrrrong. How much more humiliation can the guy take? Whose side is Cheney on? With friends like that, who needs enemies? To publicly absolve himself and separate himself he writes that letter saying go easy on the kid. We have had leaders of the free world Jose Baez's age. Wasn't John F. Kennedy in his mid forties?
If he is young and inexperienced, and you are old and know better, what the hell is your excuse for not understanding Florida reciprocal discovery rules, Cheney Mason? It is just offensive, on so many levels.
Here is your check , but don't you dare cash it is like signing the check f u.
Never, ever could he have done anything more ill advised bearing in mind the state of limited patience the judge has currently.
You just can't make this stuff up!!!! I pity him tomorrow.

It is appalling.

I just want to hear Judge Perry tell him, so what if he took on a new case, he will not use that as a stall tactic..... he will be seeing him on nights and weekends, and he might want to Get you some lunch!!!!!

 

[Numbers]

^ Interesting take on the situation, faefrost.

But....... wouldn't ICA have to agree to let Baez off the hook? Or can HHJP just can him for her?

CM hasn't exactly spent much time with ICA, schmoozing her or trying to influence her towards this conclusion.

What would it benefit him to take over? He's not getting paid either way. He has to know it's a loser of a case.

:waitasec:

 

[MissJames]

So do you guys think JB knew CM would submit this letter to JA? What do you think JB thinks of this letter?

It reminds me of when I was in elementary school. There was this weird, bed-wetting, loser kid that lived down the block and all the other kids hated him and didn't want to play with him. He was super annoying and just socially inept, even at that young age. His mom used to beg our parents to make us play with him, and give us all sorts of candy, etc if we'd go there and tolerate him. I wonder how that kid would've felt knowing that we were only nice to him because his mommy went behind his back and begged.

Today that kid would be diagnosed on the Autism Spectrum. JB has no such excuse.
I hope JA holds firm AND cashes the check.

 

[beach]

Woooooo...... I spent so much time LMAO, rolling around on the floor that the buzzards started to circle.

I can't help but notice what is missing from this letter. There's no "I'm sorry," no "I regret my actions.....," and no "throwing myself on the mercy of the court."

All there is? "My buddy's kinda slow, so cut him a break, huh, or he'll never get a date for the prom?"

UNdignified, UNprofessional, and UNfreakingbelievable.

What I noticed is missing from this letter isn't more words - it an attached PLEADING of the DISCOVERY that they STILL have not turned over even AFTER being sanctioned!!!!!

CM tried to make it APPEAR that they were complying in his silly motion for reconsideration by babbling on about who "might not be needed to testify", "probably won't be called", "only if needed to rebut the SA expert" etc....it is just more evasive blah, blah blah.... Folks, you do not include "discovery" (which is NON discovery) in a motion for reconsideration of sanctions. ESPECIALLY in this case after all that has happened, you file a separate pleading complying specifically with the discovery and INCLUDE the expert's reports, cv's, etc and everything else the court has previously ordered. CM's spinning loose interpretation and HIS "opinion" is not what HHJP ordered. Repetively ordered. Spelled out in plain English, even numbered correctly for them, so it would be easy to follow.

And CM still has the audacity to ask a FAVOR from JA???? CM must take JA for a total idiot. JA seems like a nice guy and I am sure he is going the extra 1,000 miles to work with the defense, if for no other reason than to appease Judge Perry. What I think JA should do, is not respond to the letter, hold the check until this motion is heard, then using his passionate, composed voice - point out what I have just stated above - that there are STILL deficiencies and they still have not complied with the spirit of HHJP's order. Though it would be entertaining for us to see, at this point I don't care if it is done in camera or in open court. Just turn over the damn discovery.:banghead:



pssst....JA, there is a sharp knife aimed at your back. Hope you see it in the mirror.

 

[Numbers]

^ I so totally agree with you, 'Beach! Just turn over the (*&^%$% discovery and be done with it!!

But I was talking about the "please don't cash the check" letter.

 

[jennyb]

My thought is Mason AND Baez came up with this together. Nothing was done without the input of both attorneys IMO. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Baez didn't ask Mason to write the letter, kinda like "You do it... mom likes you best!".

Mason is just coasting. He doesn't seem particularly interested in the details. He sits on the sidelines, egging Baez on. He's lazy IMO and has no intention of getting up to speed on this case.

Why Baez is still the lead attorney when it's pretty clear he's not capable -- and why Mason is somehow escaping sanctions as the more experienced member of the team is a complete mystery. Heck, whether he has more years under his belt than Baez doesn't even matter. He's there. He signed onto this case. And yet he sits slumped in his chair most of every hearing - unless he's up an blustering about nothing or making veiled threats or LYING about his knowledge of this or that. Saying he "doesn't know" -- GMAB. And how is this acceptable to the court? Me no understand.

I don't think for a second he wants to take over this case. They came up with this scheme together (IMO) and since Baez doesn't seem to have the "shame gene" it seems okay with him.

One thing I think Mason HAS accomplished with this is I think it will be a bit intimidating for the Judge to sanction him directly. He's gunning for bear and he WILL make a huge stink if sanctioned. He's already laid down the gauntlet.

Judge Perry is the chief judge and he doesn't have to play games with these guys. But is he slightly cowed (just a little bit?) by Mason? I wonder.

 

[jennyb]

What I noticed is missing from this letter isn't more words - it an attached PLEADING of the DISCOVERY that they STILL have not turned over even AFTER being sanctioned!!!!!

CM tried to make it APPEAR that they were complying in his silly motion for reconsideration by babbling on about who "might not be needed to testify", "probably won't be called", "only if needed to rebut the SA expert" etc....it is just more evasive blah, blah blah.... Folks, you do not include "discovery" (which is NON discovery) in a motion for reconsideration of sanctions. ESPECIALLY in this case after all that has happened, you file a separate pleading complying specifically with the discovery and INCLUDE the expert's reports, cv's, etc and everything else the court has previously ordered. CM's spinning loose interpretation and HIS "opinion" is not what HHJP ordered. Repetively ordered. Spelled out in plain English, even numbered correctly for them, so it would be easy to follow.

And CM still has the audacity to ask a FAVOR from JA???? CM must take JA for a total idiot. JA seems like a nice guy and I am sure he is going the extra 1,000 miles to work with the defense, if for no other reason than to appease Judge Perry. What I think JA should do, is not respond to the letter, hold the check until this motion is heard, then using his passionate, composed voice - point out what I have just stated above - that there are STILL deficiencies and they still have not complied with the spirit of HHJP's order. Though it would be entertaining for us to see, at this point I don't care if it is done in camera or in open court. Just turn over the damn discovery.:banghead:



pssst....JA, there is a sharp knife aimed at your back. Hope you see it in the mirror.

Beach,

Don't you think it's possible at this point that Ashton's bosses (Lamar Lawson, etc) have gotten involved? I think so. I think the higher-ups were probably responsible for directing the sanctions motion in the first place. I think this is way out of Ashton's hands. I bet the SA office bigwigs are plenty PO'd and are FED UP. They're not going to let the representatives of their office get trampled and hindered by these (pardon me) CREEPS.

They're responsible for getting justice for Caylee, as well as responsible to the taxpayers of FL, for keeping things on track. Especially since this is a high-profile case.

Anyway, I think the bosses have stepped into the fray.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Well, that's classic Mason for ya ... "remember we spoke about it?" ... and making it sound in the letter like Ashton might agree to it is just Mason's arrogance showing through ... I'm pretty sure Ashton is not going to "take it back" ... lord knows he's had opportunity to ask for Jose to be sanctioned ... and yet waited for a time when it was impacting a very important part of the process ... RECIPROCAL DISCOVERY ...

Seriously, I'm surprised the state hadn't asked that Jose be sanctioned a long time ago ...

Exactly. His big wish was that JA would be the nice guy he is and then the taxpayers would be screaming how JA wasted tax payer money on foolish motions and they(CM &JB) would both appear on TruTV and JVM after Fridays hearing to smear the state.

Newsflash for CM and JB --- I put my Miss Cleo hat on and I predict the judge will say:

pǝıuǝp˙˙˙˙˙˙zɐǝq ɹɯ ʇı ʇǝb ןןıʍ noʎ sıɥʇ ǝʞıן ʇı ǝʇıɹʍ ı ɟı ǝqʎɐɯ

 

[Nore]

So, How then, can CM ask JA not to cash the cheque. Is he not REQUIRED to cash it on be half and FOR the State of Florida? I would think that CM can't even ask JA to NOT cash it, as it's not even up to JA. He's just the middle man, so to speak. JB isn't paying ASHTON he is paying the Taxpayers and the state.

TIA

Im from Canada EH! !!!!

Hi Ssejors and happy to have you.You are from Canada but you understand our laws better than CM and B..Someone must tell them we do not change the laws to fit certain people.:seeya:

 

[JSV]

Once again, WESH quote: "In his letter, Mason said there is a good faith reason not to oppose the motion, given the potential future impact on Baez."


What future impact? This is a man who ran bikini shops and did odd jobs because it took him years to pass the bar for "ethical" reasons (deadbeat dad) and basically had a rather lethargic career mostly handling DUI cases until this fell into his lap.

After which he managed to pull every lowdown, dirty trick available including fighting a gag order to flounce around on Geraldo and to give sleazy press conferences and file "motions" full of unsubstantiated innuendo about witnesses like RK. Not to mention spending two years and a quarter million dollars or more that he and his client used publicity to raise, with almost no discernible work product, so that the state had to pick up the tab for the bulk of what should have clearly been done in 2008. All the while whining and making a travesty out of filing a proper motion and speaking decently or respectfully in court. He had one of the highest rated judges and couldn't wait to try to get him to recuse himself on an inane technicality. He created a situation with two PI's that are so unprofessional their actions may border on the criminal (JL and DC both are in hot water). He is the poster boy of unprofessional behavior in and out of court and has earned himself many well-deserved nicknames on the "world wide web". The fact he has a client that he should have tried to plea out but instead wasted time and resources manufacturing Spaghetti SODDI scenarios so sordid they set a new low by targeting the many dedicated volunteers who searched for the victim has sent a message to the entire world that he wouldn't know how to behave ethically or to manage a career decently if he was given a map. He flushed that detritus himself despite help from many seasoned professionals.

Of all the weak things this defense has said, the fact that CM is acting like JB has any kind of reputation to even save is the most laughable of them all. He may play a lawyer on TV but his actions resemble something off the old Gong Show. And what about ANYTHING the defense has done has shown an iota of "good faith" to the state? Ever.

I agree 1000%

Post of the year .

 

[texas77878]

Besides the fact that overall the filing was almost 24 hrs late,

WTH?

they changed the excuse from what{Baez} explained in court that they didn't have all of the documents ... to Junior almost got there on time..... what's up with that?

Is it really okay to do that?

 

[jennyb]

Besides the fact that overall the filing was almost 24 hrs late,

WTH?

they changed the excuse from what {Baez} explained in court that they didn't have all of the documents ... to Junior almost got there on time..... what's up with that?

Is it really okay to do that?

Anything seems OK in this case until someone puts a stop to it.

 

[beach]

^ I so totally agree with you, 'Beach! Just turn over the (*&^%$% discovery and be done with it!!

But I was talking about the "please don't cash the check" letter.

Awww Numbers, I know you were talking about the letter and ITA with everything you said. I didn't mean to imply by quoting you, I meant anything otherwise. :hug:

I was just using it as a jumping off point to rant about the insanity of asking a favor of JA when CM still has not complied with the spirit of the court's Order.

I may have to take a step back from posting much until this craziness subsides. I am finding it increasingly difficult to express myself without sounding as nuts as the defense team. I do care about my reputation, even if as only a lowly "blogger". :snooty:

 

[A_News_Junkie]

^ Interesting take on the situation, faefrost.

But....... wouldn't ICA have to agree to let Baez off the hook? Or can HHJP just can him for her?

CM hasn't exactly spent much time with ICA, schmoozing her or trying to influence her towards this conclusion.

What would it benefit him to take over? He's not getting paid either way. He has to know it's a loser of a case.

:waitasec:

:truce: Seriously - maybe they are waving the white flag -- maybe they both want out. Maybe they hope the judge will remove them both and the case starts over at day 1?

This smells worse than a 'squirrel pizza' in a Pontiac on a hot summer day in Florida.

We might not see his angle/game but I bet ya HHJP does - after all he saw the exit of Eaton and my gut tells me JP knew exactly why the retired judge was there.

 

[Numbers]

Awww Numbers, I know you were talking about the letter and ITA with everything you said. I didn't mean to imply by quoting you, I meant anything otherwise. :hug:

I was just using it as a jumping off point to rant about the insanity of asking a favor of JA when CM still has not complied with the spirit of the court's Order.

I may have to take a step back from posting much until this craziness subsides. I am finding it increasingly difficult to express myself without sounding as nuts as the defense team. I do care about my reputation, even if as only a lowly "blogger". :snooty:

Don't leave us!

Wait. You *can't* leave us. You're a mod. You're *stuck* with us. :floorlaugh:

I find it helps if you type out what you think, erase it, and apply some civility to your thoughts as you re-type. Best of both worlds.

 

[beach]

Beach,

Don't you think it's possible at this point that Ashton's bosses (Lamar Lawson, etc) have gotten involved? I think so. I think the higher-ups were probably responsible for directing the sanctions motion in the first place. I think this is way out of Ashton's hands. I bet the SA office bigwigs are plenty PO'd and are FED UP. They're not going to let the representatives of their office get trampled and hindered by these (pardon me) CREEPS.

They're responsible for getting justice for Caylee, as well as responsible to the taxpayers of FL, for keeping things on track. Especially since this is a high-profile case.

Anyway, I think the bosses have stepped into the fray.

I honestly don't know. I'm not even aware of who Lamar Lawson is. Each State Attorney's office delegates differently. You make a very valid point and you may be spot on. I just don't know.

 

[Macushla]

Awww Numbers, I know you were talking about the letter and ITA with everything you said. I didn't mean to imply by quoting you, I meant anything otherwise. :hug:

I was just using it as a jumping off point to rant about the insanity of asking a favor of JA when CM still has not complied with the spirit of the court's Order.

I may have to take a step back from posting much until this craziness subsides. I am finding it increasingly difficult to express myself without sounding as nuts as the defense team. I do care about my reputation, even if as only a lowly "blogger". :snooty:

I have to ask - Will you have to give yourself a time out if you can't quite stop yourself from expressing you feelings with strong words and a bit of (figuratively) jumping up and down and yelling?:floorlaugh:

 

[jennyb]

I honestly don't know. I'm not even aware of who Lamar Lawson is. Each State Attorney's office delegates differently. You make a very valid point and you may be spot on. I just don't know.

He's the State's Attorney for the 9th District. I recall he's the one Cindy got on the soapbox about having a vendetta (as if) against her lovely daughter. Remember she accused him of "persecuting" Casey because he was up for re-election (or something like that).

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Awww Numbers, I know you were talking about the letter and ITA with everything you said. I didn't mean to imply by quoting you, I meant anything otherwise. :hug:

I was just using it as a jumping off point to rant about the insanity of asking a favor of JA when CM still has not complied with the spirit of the court's Order.

I may have to take a step back from posting much until this craziness subsides. I am finding it increasingly difficult to express myself without sounding as nuts as the defense team. I do care about my reputation, even if as only a lowly "blogger". :snooty:

You know, if this nonsense keeps up - we will need to ask Tricia for a Caylee Anthony Thread TOS FREE WEEKEND!!!!!!!

Ahhhhhh, come on' let me dream! You know you want it too Beach! LOL (Why do I hear Tricia saying, LOL - lots of luck there junkie?)

 

[The World According]

Once again, WESH quote: "In his letter, Mason said there is a good faith reason not to oppose the motion, given the potential future impact on Baez."


What future impact? This is a man who ran bikini shops and did odd jobs because it took him years to pass the bar for "ethical" reasons (deadbeat dad) and basically had a rather lethargic career mostly handling DUI cases until this fell into his lap.

After which he managed to pull every lowdown, dirty trick available including fighting a gag order to flounce around on Geraldo and to give sleazy press conferences and file "motions" full of unsubstantiated innuendo about witnesses like RK. Not to mention spending two years and a quarter million dollars or more that he and his client used publicity to raise, with almost no discernible work product, so that the state had to pick up the tab for the bulk of what should have clearly been done in 2008. All the while whining and making a travesty out of filing a proper motion and speaking decently or respectfully in court. He had one of the highest rated judges and couldn't wait to try to get him to recuse himself on an inane technicality. He created a situation with two PI's that are so unprofessional their actions may border on the criminal (JL and DC both are in hot water). He is the poster boy of unprofessional behavior in and out of court and has earned himself many well-deserved nicknames on the "world wide web". The fact he has a client that he should have tried to plea out but instead wasted time and resources manufacturing Spaghetti SODDI scenarios so sordid they set a new low by targeting the many dedicated volunteers who searched for the victim has sent a message to the entire world that he wouldn't know how to behave ethically or to manage a career decently if he was given a map. He flushed that detritus himself despite help from many seasoned professionals.

Of all the weak things this defense has said, the fact that CM is acting like JB has any kind of reputation to even save is the most laughable of them all. He may play a lawyer on TV but his actions resemble something off the old Gong Show. And what about ANYTHING the defense has done has shown an iota of "good faith" to the state? Ever.

Brilliant, as always CeCy!!!:rocker:
Do we have the actual letter?