Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #180

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  • #341
One of the more interesting T&Cs i hadn't thought of was this one due to confidentiality. One of the main CYA risks seems to be that some annoying person on the internet donates, then gets very mad later because reasons and makes your life hell with complaints.
For sure there's always that risk. I could absolutely see someone with bad intentions doing just that. Maybe you can donate and see if there is some disclaimer that pops up when you do?

After the deadline and funds are allocated, I hope he gives an accounting of how the funds were used. I think he will have to do that anyway for tax purposes.

Who would have ever thought we'd learn all about crowdfunding in the course of this case?
 
  • #342
For sure there's always that risk. I could absolutely see someone with bad intentions doing just that. Maybe you can donate and see if there is some disclaimer that pops up when you do?

After the deadline and funds are allocated, I hope he gives an accounting of how the funds were used. I think he will have to do that anyway for tax purposes.

Who would have ever thought we'd learn all about crowdfunding in the course of this case?

I think they are correct that it's better for the client to open the crowdfunding, or a family member or trusted person to avoid all the ethics issues.
 
  • #343
I think they are correct that it's better for the client to open the crowdfunding, or a family member or trusted person to avoid all the ethics issues.
Since he's not RA's atty, there is no client, correct?
As a highly respected (trusted) person, wouldn't that avoid any ethical issue?
 
  • #344
An oldie moldy article that doesn't appear to be in the archives of their county council meetings, nor on Debbie Lowe's utube. I heard it got pretty heated. o_O



That is a good article, fully explaining the reason why it became heated.
The first video is where he's asking for the extra money at the end of Feb 2023.
The next 2 are where they discovered he had already hired the additional person. There would have been no problem if Nick would have stuck to the plan.
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  • #345
I didn't say he is poor. But, this case, with RA not being able to afford his own defense, has clued me into how people really feel about defendants who ARE poor and can't afford their own defense. What I infer from reading posts here on WS and elsewhere is that many, many people feel that simply by being on the other side of the table makes them deserving of nothing, regardless of their guilt or innocence.

Whether RA is guilty or innocent, he deserves a qualified defense just like anybody else who can afford to pay a defense attorney. I see that the majority of people think otherwise.
You can't count me in your majority of people who think otherwise. I've been screaming that RA is entitled to a qualified defense absolutely. R&B are just not qualified to represent him at this point IMO.

MOO
 
  • #346
Someone tell Nick McLeland that Richard Allen has filed two ex parte motions today.
 
  • #347
Since he's not RA's atty, there is no client, correct?
As a highly respected (trusted) person, wouldn't that avoid any ethical issue?
DH's clients are R&B, who are the attorneys of record for RA. How could that not lead to potential ethical issues? It should have been set up by an independent non biased person. IMO

You can donate to their gimme money fund by check made payable to DH directly. How is this money going to be separated or accounted for? Or does it even have to be, I truly do not know the answer here.

MOO
 
  • #348
Someone tell Nick McLeland that Richard Allen has filed two ex parte motions today.
Yes, they're the same two ex parte motion as filed on 4/8 except it seems like the Defense has deleted what in particular they are requesting. Along with their notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information Request, which wasn't filed ex parte. Still have no idea what that might be, would that become public information then?

MOO
 
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Where my spidey sense is going off is evidentially, because AB has never told us this is what happened.
RSABBM
And if he did (tell us), would you believe him? :)

MW admitted what he did and did not implicate AB. AB did the smart thing, got himself a good lawyer!
 
  • #351
Yes, they're the same two ex parte motion as filed on 4/8 except it seems like the Defense has deleted what in particular they are requesting. Along with their notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information Request, which wasn't filed ex parte. Still have no idea what that might be, would that become public information then?

MOO
There is no indication the 2 orders are the same one.
Deletions of records is not allowed by just removing something.
MOO
04/08/2024Notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information
Notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information from Public Access
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/08/2024
04/08/2024Motion Filed
Ex Parte Motion to Reconsider Funds for Tech Experts and also Funds for Administrative Assistants
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/08/2024
04/08/2024Motion Filed
Proposed Order on Ex Parte Motion to Reconsider Funds for Tech Experts and also Funds for Administrative Assistants
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/08/2024
04/09/2024Notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information
Notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information from Public Access
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/09/2024
04/09/2024Motion Filed
Ex Parte Motion
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/09/2024
04/09/2024Motion Filed
Ex Parte Order
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/09/2024
 
  • #352
Someone tell Nick McLeland that Richard Allen has filed two ex parte motions today.
And I have no doubt he’ll read them! He just won’t repeat the stupid mistake he made last time. Still laughing at that one. Good grief! :rolleyes:
 
  • #353
Someone asked previously how the P came into possession of the ex parte filings. This explanation is a footnote from the Motion for Parity in Resources. We don't know how he came into possession and no one was talking at the date of this filing: 3/17/2024 12:46 PM

Pages 8 & 9
1 Despite filing the motion ex parte and clearly labeling the motion as such in bold
lettering at the top,
someone has shared those ex parte pleadings with the State. The State
chose to review them in detail, and refer to one of the motions at length in a publicly filed
pleading—letting the whole world know what should have been protected information.

Attorney Rozzi alerted this Court and the State by email of the breach of confidentiality,
requesting information as to how it occurred and whether it could be remedied. To date,
counsel has not received a response from the Court, nor the Stat, evidencing some attempt
by either to remedy the problem.


 
  • #354
It's a crime/contempt of court to talk about the case with non-employees?

Any more, I have a hard time believing anything non-biased will come from their podcast. Law 360 is behind a paywall so I can't read the article for myself.

All I know is what I read on the site. If Hennessy misuses these funds in any way whatsoever, it will surely come back to bite him. I can't link to the site but but any sleuther can go look for themselves.
Here is the fine print from it:
We have identified the experts needed and the costs of fees, travel, and lodging are greater than originally anticipated. Please be advised that no funds collected will be offset against fees related to David Hennessy's law firm, Richard Allen's defense team, or to Richard Allen.
So by this language they can use the funds to plan travel for themselves and friend and family to the Four Seasons and have professional massages. Have a wine tasting done by an expert sommelier and fly by private jet and enjoy fat steak dinners. JMO

This blanket vague statement allows them to require no accounting showing that they are using this for reasonable travel to and from court, reasonable travel and lodging for experts to fly and give testimony or anything really related to the Allen defense.
We have identified doesn’t mean that they are going to earmark all the money for what they are insinuating they will. It’s just to lead the reader to believe it will be used properly for the defense of RA.
JMO based on the word crafting and rule bending I have seen thus far from this particular defense team.
And there will be no recourse for donors because of the sight they used to crowdfund. If it comes to light that they were used frivolously or if RA settled before trial. There will be no refunds. JMO
 
  • #355
There is no indication the 2 orders are the same one.
Deletions of records is not allowed by just removing something.
MOO
04/08/2024Notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information
Notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information from Public Access
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/08/2024
04/08/2024Motion Filed
Ex Parte Motion to Reconsider Funds for Tech Experts and also Funds for Administrative Assistants
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/08/2024
04/08/2024Motion Filed
Proposed Order on Ex Parte Motion to Reconsider Funds for Tech Experts and also Funds for Administrative Assistants
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/08/2024
04/09/2024Notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information
Notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information from Public Access
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/09/2024
04/09/2024Motion Filed
Ex Parte Motion
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/09/2024
04/09/2024Motion Filed
Ex Parte Order
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.
File Stamp: 04/09/2024
They look like exact duplicates to me excluding the descriptors on the ex parte motions, but it could be possible that they have another three exactly filed the same way the very next day. Anything is possible here I've learned.

moo
 
  • #356
DH's clients are R&B, who are the attorneys of record for RA. How could that not lead to potential ethical issues? It should have been set up by an independent non biased person. IMO

You can donate to their gimme money fund by check made payable to DH directly. How is this money going to be separated or accounted for? Or does it even have to be, I truly do not know the answer here.

MOO
I think DH's representation of B&R is limited.

I surely do not know enough about the funding to have an educated opinion on it.
 
  • #357
Someone asked previously how the P came into possession of the ex parte filings. This explanation is a footnote from the Motion for Parity in Resources. We don't know how he came into possession and no one was talking at the date of this filing: 3/17/2024 12:46 PM

Pages 8 & 9
1 Despite filing the motion ex parte and clearly labeling the motion as such in bold
lettering at the top,
someone has shared those ex parte pleadings with the State. The State
chose to review them in detail, and refer to one of the motions at length in a publicly filed
pleading—letting the whole world know what should have been protected information.

Attorney Rozzi alerted this Court and the State by email of the breach of confidentiality,
requesting information as to how it occurred and whether it could be remedied. To date,
counsel has not received a response from the Court, nor the Stat, evidencing some attempt
by either to remedy the problem.


If the P knowingly usurped the rules and violated the order of the Court, he should have to face the consequences as well. I don't pick sides as to whom the rules apply, they should apply to all involved.

What I find a strange coincidence (of the soooo many in this case) is that the P did not hide the fact he got the D's request because he in turn filed a Motion for Request for Health Records on Defendant Allen the next day and even referred to the document from the defense in his Motion. How does that make any sense that he somehow knowingly broke the rules, snuck a peek and then decided tell on himself by admitting all of that in his Motion? o_O

MOO
 
  • #358
If the P knowingly usurped the rules and violated the order of the Court, he should have to face the consequences as well. I don't pick sides as to whom the rules apply, they should apply to all involved.

What I find a strange coincidence (of the soooo many in this case) is that the P did not hide the fact he got the D's request because he in turn filed a Motion for Request for Health Records on Defendant Allen the next day and even referred to the document from the defense in his Motion. How does that make any sense that he somehow knowingly broke the rules, snuck a peek and then decided tell on himself by admitting all of that in his Motion? o_O

MOO

BBM.

Inexperience?
 
  • #359
I think DH's representation of B&R is limited.

I surely do not know enough about the funding to have an educated opinion on it.
DH's representation of R&B goes back to Oct and is still in full motion today, especially in regards to the contempt charges.

DH has been giving interviews and making statements to the press on behalf of R&B recently, so I think that is a clear indication of a relationship between the party of 3.

JMO
 
  • #360
BBM.

Inexperience?
Well, if NMcL is that inexperienced then he shouldn't be practicing law IMO, especially in high profile double homicide case. I admit I don't know anything about NMcL. I think I'll go down the rabbit hole and check it out.

If I'm not back back in a couple of days, throw a rope down, or not. :cool:
 
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