Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[INfisherman]

Correct, but even if he didn't wear gloves (I really think he wouldn't have even thought of this), the odds would still strongly be in his favor, especially considering the crime occurred outdoors.

I don’t disagree. But if it were me, I wouldn’t take the chance. If I were going to do anything which might result in long term prison if caught, I’m going to do everything under the sun to avoid leaving evidence behind.

I’m going to be fair & remain neutral & let it play out until the slippery ones have their turn, but I’m having a hard time that this wasn’t planned out very carefully. Most killers aren’t this stealthy (prior to the alleged exit from the CS).

 

[Gigiky]

Lots of talk about RA jacket. If I'm correct it was a (CARHARTT JACKET),And if you are familiar with this brand and have ever washed it in your home washing machine then you know it can take a toll on your washer. Also if the jacket had blood on it, it would stain it. Its very hard to get stains out of that material, almost like a heavy canvas. No mention of blood on shoes. And if he had blood on him it most surely would have transferred to areas in his car. So much time has gone by. who knows.
I'm still scratching my head that they didn't bag those girls hands and collect evidence from under their nails.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849902237977542837

 

[Vaderman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849902237977542837

Please, no misconduct.

 

[MassGuy]

I don’t disagree. But if it were me, I wouldn’t take the chance. If I were going to do anything which might result in long term prison if caught, I’m going to do everything under the sun to avoid leaving evidence behind.

I’m going to be fair & remain neutral & let it play out until the slippery ones have their turn, but I’m having a hard time that this wasn’t planned out very carefully. Most killers aren’t this stealthy (prior to the alleged exit from the CS).

I see it differently. I think this crime was as brazen as it was reckless, and he just happened to get very lucky. That's why I always thought the offender would be much younger than Allen was. He could have been spotted prior to the crime (he was). As he committed the crime someone could have seen or heard something. Yes, he did take measures to mitigate that (isolating the girls), but he seems to have spent a great deal of time in a very risky situation. Not only that, but he did things that drew out the process (Abby in different clothes, Libby naked, etc). He also had to leave the area covered in blood, where he risked being spotted again (a witness claims to have seen him).

So I see mostly disorganization here.

 

[Inthedetails]

Please, no misconduct.

My thoughts exactly.

Of course, I hope there is no health issue or emergency....but also hope NO misconduct.

If court continued without the missing juror, I guess that does mean s/he was dismissed. Otherwise, I think they would pause for the day if it was a temporary issue (like a toothache or something).

Please, no drama!

jmo

 

[INfisherman]

Seems odd to me that he didn’t have jacket with him when he left to visit mom, I suspect he went home to get gun.

Jmo

True, but sometimes if I’m going somewhere & know in advance I’m not going to be outside for longer than a couple of minutes, I might not bring a jacket but if I were going to doing stuff outdoors, I’m layering up.

Another theory versus the KAK involvement while in Peru could be that he actually did go see mommy & there was a disagreement or argument, he is supremely ticked off, goes home & decides he’s going to do it. Would love to know what that letter from his mother said.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

3:54 P.M.​

Court is back in session at 1:14 p.m. News 8’s Kyla Russell reports only 15 of the 16 jurors came back into the courtroom after the lunch break. Russell reports it is unclear why the number changed.

The prosecution plays a video on how Sig Sauer pistols are made. The video explains how the barrell, slide, frame are made.

Former ISP forensic firearm expert Melissa Ogberg continues her testimony.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Friday is the seventh day of testimonies in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail...

www.wishtv.com

 

[Inthedetails]

I see it differently. I think this crime was as brazen as it was reckless, and he just happened to get very lucky. That's why I always thought the offender would be much younger than Allen was. He could have been spotted prior to the crime (he was). As he committed the crime someone could have seen or heard something. Yes, he did take measures to mitigate that (isolating the girls), but he seems to have spent a great deal of time in a very risky situation. Not only that, but he did things that drew out the process (Abby in different clothes, Libby naked, etc). He also had to leave the area covered in blood, where he risked being spotted again (a witness claims to have seen him).

So I see mostly disorganization here.

I agree, and I also think he was fixated on plotting and carrying out a fantasy without considering "what happens afterwards?"

Then Luck stepped in, but Luck doesn't last forever.

jmo

 

[Gigiky]

I wonder if LE could check to see if RA took his car to have it detailed.

 

[Elley Mae]

True, but sometimes if I’m going somewhere & know in advance I’m not going to be outside for longer than a couple of minutes, I might not bring a jacket but if I were going to doing stuff outdoors, I’m layering up.

Another theory versus the KAK involvement while in Peru could be that he actually did go see mommy & there was a disagreement or argument, he is supremely ticked off, goes home & decides he’s going to do it. Would love to know what that letter from his mother said.

JMO

I was taught by hubby to dress warm in cold/winter months or take with you, you never know what can happen, break down or accident and to keep water in the vehicle.

Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if LE could check to see if RA took his car to have it detailed.

Unless he paid by card, I think they're out of luck. Solid thought though.

 

[m00c0w]

There has been a lot of consternation about the timeline and how the prosecution's timeline can't possibly work. I've gone through and compiled a chronological sequence of events based on the last few days of trial. None of this is from the PCA or anywhere but sworn trial testimony:

2/13
1326 - Photo of a park bench is taken by the 3 girls while walking from MHB to Freedom Bridge. They report seeing BG later, near Freedom Bridge, walking towards MHB with a purpose (1)
1327 - Vehicle consistent with RA's vehicle seen on HH camera traveling west on 300N (4)
1338 - LG calls DG, 35 second phone call (2)
1341 - Selfie of LG and AW posted on snapchat on the way to MHB (2)(3)
1343 - Another selfie of LG and AW posted on snapchat on the way to MHB (2)(3)
1346 - BB's car is seen on the HH camera heading back towards the trails. BB states that when she returned to the trails, she saw BG on the first platform of the bridge. (1)
1349 - HH video shows KG going to drop off girls (1)
1405 - LG posts photo of MHB on Snapchat (2)
1407 - Photo of AW crossing the bridge posted on Snapchat (2)
1413 - Video of BG taken by LG (1)(3)
1414 - Attempt to unlock LG's phone (3)
1418 - BB captured traveling west on 300N via HH camera (1)
1432 - Last recorded phone movement (2)(3)
1556 - SC captured traveling east on 300N via HH camera (1)
2232 - "Last signal" on iPhone (3)
2/14
0433 - Multiple text messages arrive on LG's phone (3)

Sources:
(1) - https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-native-reflects-on-abby-libbys-legacy-in-town/
(2) - A call, Snapchat photos, the infamous video: Delphi trial offers timeline of girls' activities
(3) - Delphi Murders Trial: Day 5 live blog
(4) - Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

 

[Yemelyan]

Former ISP forensic firearm expert Melissa Ogberg continues her testimony. When asked about how she determined the gun Allen had cycled the cartridge found on the scene, Oberg responded “Based on sufficient agreement between the quality and quantity of marks.”

Oberg told the jury the verification process involves another examiner looking at the comparison and having them come to their own conclusion. Oberg says she does not stand over and watch the second examiner’s verification process.

Oberg said her supervisor did the verification process and “was able to verify the cartridge had been cycled, he agreed it was an identification.”

Source: Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

 

[MassGuy]

Former ISP forensic firearm expert Melissa Ogberg continues her testimony. When asked about how she determined the gun Allen had cycled the cartridge found on the scene, Oberg responded “Based on sufficient agreement between the quality and quantity of marks.”

Oberg told the jury the verification process involves another examiner looking at the comparison and having them come to their own conclusion. Oberg says she does not stand over and watch the second examiner’s verification process.

Oberg said her supervisor did the verification process and “was able to verify the cartridge had been cycled, he agreed it was an identification.”

Source: Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

Getting greedy here maybe, but I would have also liked them to obtain verification from an independent agency, like the FBI.

It would make those findings even stronger.

 

[MiniMoo]

It all adds up to his guilt brick by brick. Anybody would see how suspicious it is the only device missing was from that time period.

The jury can see that he kept multiple old devices yet the only one of any value has mysteriously vanished. Funny that

Did make me think twice when I heard how many cell phones as well with that particular one unaccounted for only he never got rid of the Ford focus, that blue coat we don't know yet if it was the one he wore that day or not (has this been confirmed or not yet), but we do know that it had no blood or DNA on it. What else? No witness yet has given a description that really fits him, also, I don't see him as a 20 something year old nor someone with a beautiful face.

I do know we all see beauty differently, of course.

But that one phone not unaccounted for has made me think so I would like to know what happened to it and if there is satisfactory answer.

Of all my cell phones the only ones I have ever thrown out are the ones that have quite literally started coming apart whereas the rest are still somewhere boxed away or given away to someone.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[photographer4]

MOO the DNA or prints that ever were on the bullet were wiped off when it was stepped into the ground.

Did the LE take soil samples WITH the bullet with they brought it up from the ground? In the event that blood transfer or other dna was then in the surrounding dirt? not moo - this is a question. Ty.

 

[photographer4]

I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean. His wife, mother and lawyers told him to plead not guilty?

Not aimed at you in any way @MollyDDD but how the heck would we KNOW that his mother / wife / lawyers told him to plead not guilty?? This allegation would constitute professional misconduct on the part of his lawyers if it were proven to be true, no? Not an opinion - I'm asking - how do we know, and if it could be proven, would it be professional misconduct???

 

[INfisherman]

I see it differently. I think this crime was as brazen as it was reckless, and he just happened to get very lucky. That's why I always thought the offender would be much younger than Allen was. He could have been spotted prior to the crime (he was). As he committed the crime someone could have seen or heard something. Yes, he did take measures to mitigate that (isolating the girls), but he seems to have spent a great deal of time in a very risky situation. Not only that, but he did things that drew out the process (Abby in different clothes, Libby naked, etc). He also had to leave the area covered in blood, where he risked being spotted again (a witness claims to have seen him).

So I see mostly disorganization here.

Fair enough. I doubt we’ll ever know the entire story unless movie & book deals are made later. In a way, reminds me of the Jill Behrman case in Bloomington - Myers was convicted on a ton of circumstantial evidence, IIRC.

I think we know one thing for sure. He does have his breaking point if enough pressure is applied. "….it’s over".

 

[photographer4]

It would be nice if it was clarified if the phones found were actually used by RA and when. My daughter collected old cell phones for a while and we easily had 20 of them at any time in our house. But none of them were our old phones, just ones we found at garage sales and flea markets.

To me, since none of those phones linked RA to the kids or the crimes, they're irrelevant to the case at hand imo. I don't care when or where they came from or why. Just moo.