Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[Elley Mae]

It was a Carhartt, and Carhartts have conspicuous logos.
By keeping that info back with a smudge on the still of BG, other coats turned in could be eliminated.

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[photographer4]

RE: DNA. From the images of Bridge Guy and the location of the bodies, it makes sense to me that there was no Bridge Guy DNA found. He was completely covered--hat on, so no hairs....long sleeved coat, so no scratched arms leading to DNA from under the girls' fingernails. Given the hat, coat, and being described as being overdressed for the weather, gloves would be a natural assumption. At that point all you have exposed is the face--and he was reported by witnesses as having a running mask or similar on covering the lower half of his face. If he was interrupted before a physical SA could be attempted/completed upon the girls as reported, no DNA there.

There might have been a small chance for a bit touch DNA on the girls' necks as he attacked them (if he took off/wasn't wearing gloves)...but that would likely be lost in the sheer amount of their own blood.

If he was interrupted before SA could happen, then I would wonder how he had time to drag bodies and stage them as he did, and cover them with sticks as he did? MOOOO. He was clearly taking his time in setting up that scene in my opinion based on the limited bits we've heard to date about it.

 

[ClearAhead]

Sure. But imo, not that unusual for a man to own a dark black or blue jacket in any particular brand... they seem fairly common. In the absence of anything significant that ties his jacket to the kids or the crime... then its just a jacket imo. I was really hoping that LE would have some sort of DNA link there but without it, that is just another jacket imo.....

So far in this trial, notice how all the key elements are lining up so far, even without DNA?
- RA said he drove his Ford Focus that has distinctive black wheels with spokes to the bridge.
- a vehicle resembling the Ford Focus with distinctive wheels was sighted on HH’s video shortly prior to the murders.
- RA acknowledges he was at the bridge wearing clothing similar clothing as the man on the bridge while looking at his stock ticker on his cellphone
- witnesses claim the person they saw resembled the man on the bridge
- RAs cellphone from 2017 wasn’t found
- he had knives and box cutters all over the house
- victims were murdered with a knife or boxcutter
- a cartridge was found at the crime scene, ‘gun’ may’ve been recorded prior to DTH on Libby’s video.
- marks on cartridge match RA’s gun seized from his home during search
- “it doesn’t matter, it’s over” according to RA

And we haven’t yet heard his confessions.
I might’ve missed something.

 

[steeltowngirl]

If he was interrupted before SA could happen, then I would wonder how he had time to drag bodies and stage them as he did, and cover them with sticks as he did? MOOOO. He was clearly taking his time in setting up that scene in my opinion based on the limited bits we've heard to date about it.

Kohr also said there were no visible signs that the girls were sexually assaulted.

He testified this does not mean there was no sexual contact, just that "no trauma was left."

'You need to call me now': Delphi murder trial testimony reveals text from Libby's grandmother

The trial of Richard Allen for the Delphi murders resumed Wednesday with testimony from an eyewitness, a forensic pathologist and a police technician.

www.indystar.com

 

[INfisherman]

Excuse the dumb question, as I know very little about guns, but why wouldn't there be at least a fingerprint on the bullet casing? Are bullets in a cartridge loaded as a group (in a cartridge) into a gun? So if the bullet was wiped clean of prints at the factory and loaded into a cartridge (with other bullets) for purchase, only the cartridge would be likely to have the handler's prints? Do bullets come preloaded into cartridges?

Not an opinion or fact, but genuine questions because I don't understand.

I believe each round is pushed into the magazine individually. Wiping down round & latex gloves while loading magazine might avoid fingerprints as well as some of the items pointed out by the ballistics expert testimony.

 

[Inthedetails]

If he was interrupted before SA could happen, then I would wonder how he had time to drag bodies and stage them as he did, and cover them with sticks as he did? MOOOO. He was clearly taking his time in setting up that scene in my opinion based on the limited bits we've heard to date about it.

The interruption might not have been because someone was coming along and he was in a hurry. Maybe Libby fighting him was an interruption. Or maybe he had second thoughts about hurting girls and interrupted himself. Maybe the cold water dampened his drive. We don't know yet what the interruption was.

jmo

 

[photographer4]

BBM
M00 but, maybe he was getting strong resistance or they were fighting back, so he had racked it again at the murder scene, likely in an act of intimidation.
If that is the case I hope one or both of them fought back!

Q: we heard there were no defensive wounds on the kids per testimony yesterday - would them fighting back have left some sort of defensive wounds? https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-combative-testimony-from-another-bridge-guy-witness/

 

[Vaderman]

The interruption might not have been because someone was coming along and he was in a hurry. Maybe Libby fighting him was an interruption. Or maybe he had second thoughts about hurting girls and interrupted himself. Maybe the cold water dampened his drive. We don't know yet what the interruption was.

jmo

I don't know how I didn't think of this before, but I wonder if the interruption is one of those details only the killer would know that came out in the confessions?

 

[photographer4]

Yes because I dont have to dispose of evidence. I have every iPhone I have ever brought in my cupboard that are outdated.

That’s the whole point here he obviously hoarded electronics yet the one from that time period has mysteriously vanished.

They may not all have even belonged to him? Some could have been the wife's or his daughters imo... either way, i have MANY of the devices I've owned over the years but I did get rid of a few... eg: I have my Nokia 8390 still but not the Razor flip phone I got immediately after that one. I have many from after that point sure, but not all and there are various reasons - one I gave to a relative, one I traded in... some I lost in a move.... lack of the device RA had at the time isn't evidence of a crime imo...

 

[katydid23]

Sure. But imo, not that unusual for a man to own a dark black or blue jacket in any particular brand... they seem fairly common. In the absence of anything significant that ties his jacket to the kids or the crime... then its just a jacket imo. I was really hoping that LE would have some sort of DNA link there but without it, that is just another jacket imo.....

Why or how would there be a DNA link 6 years after the crime?

 

[INfisherman]

One thing I noticed & am unsure if it was ever asked of RA was that he claimed during interview with Mullin that he drove through Delphi to go to the bridge that day. I don’t recall if anyone in LE asked him why he drove past the main parking area & parked at the CPS building. From my understanding he went to Freedom Bridge (as seen by 3 teens & youngster) first. Seems like an odd choice to me.

 

[photographer4]

If he did feel like that and allegedly made “60+ confessions”, (talk about overkill, no pun intended) then why didn’t he just plead guilty?

Right? He has "confessed" to everyone EXCEPT to JG during the multiple times he has been in court before the trial and all through the trial. You'd think if he was h*ll bent on confessing and felt no one was listening he'd be screaming it from the table at which he is presently sat, no?

 

[MassGuy]

I believe each round is pushed into the magazine individually. Wiping down round & latex gloves while loading magazine might avoid fingerprints as well as some of the items pointed out by the ballistics expert testimony.

Correct, but even if he didn't wear gloves (I really think he wouldn't have even thought of this), the odds would still strongly be in his favor, especially considering the crime occurred outdoors.

 

[photographer4]

3 yrs ago HLN Barbara MacDonald interview; she emphasized THE
32:30 mm
"I know a lot of blue jackets have been turned into law enforcement
they tell me they don't have the jacket but they've had a lot of people turn in blue jackets"

How would LE know they had THE jacket or a random one? I always just assumed they'd know because they'd expect to find DNA in it or on it which would link to the kids / the crime, no? mooo

 

[Salah11]

They may not all have even belonged to him? Some could have been the wife's or his daughters imo... either way, i have MANY of the devices I've owned over the years but I did get rid of a few... eg: I have my Nokia 8390 still but not the Razor flip phone I got immediately after that one. I have many from after that point sure, but not all and there are various reasons - one I gave to a relative, one I traded in... some I lost in a move.... lack of the device RA had at the time isn't evidence of a crime imo...

It all adds up to his guilt brick by brick. Anybody would see how suspicious it is the only device missing was from that time period.

The jury can see that he kept multiple old devices yet the only one of any value has mysteriously vanished. Funny that

 

[Elley Mae]

The sheriff’s office was dispatched just after 3:30 in the morning on June 18, 2015, according to records obtained by FOX59. The sheriff said Allen was allegedly drunk and his wife took him to a Lafayette-area hospital for a medical evaluation.

Sheriff Leazenby said no law enforcement action was involved other than responding to “keep the peace.”

Deputies responded to Delphi suspect’s home for domestic issue to ‘keep the peace’

MEXICO, Ind. — The Carroll County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that deputies were sent to Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s home in 2015 for a “domestic” incident. The she…

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3:30 am? Do bar close at 2:00am in indiana?

So where was he? I wonder what he was up to that night/morning.

 

[WildHuncher]

I think he’s guilty but I also think everything they have is so poor, it was an awful bitched investigation. They haven’t convinced me he is bridge guy, you have no dna, I’m not convinced he was the guy the girl saw “muddy and bloody”, she said he had different colored pants, I believe some girls saw another, younger guy at the trails, that guy could literally be the murderer

Im not even sure the jury will convict him, who knows

Three out of five people who saw him that day were in one group, walking together. That’s ONE encounter with ONE man. And you have the odd fact that RA seems to report seeing a group of girls at that very time.

If you want a separate man for every distinct description, you are invoking at least four, maybe five men.

Won’t work. Some folks are going to have to share.

Meanwhile, all five now say under oath the man they saw was BG. How’d that happen?

 

[Ravenmoon]

If he was interrupted before SA could happen, then I would wonder how he had time to drag bodies and stage them as he did, and cover them with sticks as he did? MOOOO. He was clearly taking his time in setting up that scene in my opinion based on the limited bits we've heard to date about it.

It appears to me that he intended the SA to happen prior to them being instructed to cross the creek.

Once they did cross, it MIGHT have occurred to him that his opportunity to do this was no longer viable.

JMO, but that likely enraged him and that is when the violence/ murders occurred.

Realizing that someone was looking for Libby and Abby ( Derek says he was yelling their name) he may have tried to cover them up, but realized that it was a more labor intensive activity than expected and chose to get out of Dodge.

All my speculation and opinion.

 

[Mind your biscuits]

The interruption might not have been because someone was coming along and he was in a hurry. Maybe Libby fighting him was an interruption. Or maybe he had second thoughts about hurting girls and interrupted himself. Maybe the cold water dampened his drive. We don't know yet what the interruption was.

jmo

My guess is the interruption was step dad Derrick, who when the girls were not at the pick up spot, walked down a side trail yelling their names. Moo.

 

[Elley Mae]

One thing I noticed & am unsure if it was ever asked of RA was that he claimed during interview with Mullin that he drove through Delphi to go to the bridge that day. I don’t recall if anyone in LE asked him why he drove past the main parking area & parked at the CPS building. From my understanding he went to Freedom Bridge (as seen by 3 teens & youngster) first. Seems like an odd choice to me.

Seems odd to me that he didn’t have jacket with him when he left to visit mom, I suspect he went home to get gun.

Jmo